Moggy wrote:Rocsteady wrote:Moggy wrote:Jenuall, you seem to support the idea of credit card verification on porn websites because your daughter came across inappropriate content on YouTube and the soft play centre played inappropriate music? Neither of those things will be solved by making adults put in credit card details on porn sites.
Things like YouTube and the soft play centre should be more moderated, but those take internal company moderation and/or parental supervision, not government backed age verification for adult sites.
He explicitly states that he doesn't support this idea, just that measures of some sort need to be taken.
He hardly explicitly states that:
This is not necessarily the best solution but to do nothing would be to betray those coming after us ...
He's saying there is probably a better solution but doesn't say what that is. But something has to be done! Which sounds like he's broadly supporting this until a better idea comes along.
Yeah - I thought I'd made it clear in both my posts that I don't think this is the right thing to do, apologies if that didn't come across. For clarity I think that this is neither a good solution, nor one that is even remotely achievable/ enforceable.
Lagamorph wrote:Jenuall wrote:I have implemented as many controls and restrictions as possible at home - it simply is not possible to stop access to harmful content. My daughter should be able to watch videos on the YouTube kids app without accidentally stumbling onto videos of Anna and Elsa from Frozen taking it in turns to do each other with a strap on.
It's entirely possible though by simply supervising your childrens internet activity.
And this is something I absolutely do, but it's a difficult situation to manage. It takes less than a second to tap on the wrong thumbnail and for your child to be exposed to something inappropriate, which is what happened in the instance I described. Obviously I turned it off almost instantly but that doesn't stop the fact that my child has now seen something I would rather they hadn't, and should arguably not have been made available to them through that service.
Karl wrote:Jenuall wrote:I have implemented as many controls and restrictions as possible at home - it simply is not possible to stop access to harmful content. My daughter should be able to watch videos on the YouTube kids app without accidentally stumbling onto videos of Anna and Elsa from Frozen taking it in turns to do each other with a strap on.
I might suggest your real problem appears to be with online broadcasters who advertise themselves as 'for kids' showing explicit content. If so, sure: it would seem to me reasonable that there could be a legal responsibility on those content providers to curate the media stored and ensure no inappropriate content is shown. By contrast, actual porn sites aren't for kids, are easier to block automatically (I hear most of the large ones enter themselves voluntarily into parental controls databases), and are IMO far more difficult to 'stumble across accidentally', so they aren't relevant to this problem.
I'm sorry you've had negative experiences online with your daughter. I don't think placing additional legal burdens on the interaction between adults and porn websites actually helps in the scenario you outlined. I have no problems with more red tape and responsibilities for websites which explicitly advertise themselves as being 'for kids', but the responsibility to ensure a young child is only using those 'for kids' websites still rests with the parent, as they are the one providing access to the Internet in the first place.
Yep - you're right, I guess my point is more to do with content regulation on sites like YouTube rather than a direct complaint about internet pornography. I guess my response was prompted as I see a tendency for some people to instantly, and almost dogmatically reject any attempt to regulate or in some way police the internet and I think this harms the ability to have any reasonable discussion about these things.
Like I said in my previous posts it feels like a kind of frontier mentality, the internet is still a relatively new medium and much like other new frontiers there are those who want to see it remain free from oversight because it is beneficial to them personally. A slightly tangetial example, but take things like Deliveroo and Uber, the operators of these services were benefiting hugely from the lack of control over employment law, proper screening of employees etc. but that rightly that situation is now being brought under control. Similarly with things like airbnb, because this is a new cul-de-sac in the world of hospitality it is free from many of the restrictions placed on bricks and mortar institutions like hotels and b&b's, but from a consumer perspective it doesn't feel unreasonable that questions be asked as to whether this is right.