Toronto van killer was an fedora-wearing misogynist

Its part of any culture. Haves and have-nots.

Its about how individuals handle it. When they congregate into toxic groups like /r/fedora-wearing misogynists or the likes it becomes an echo chamber of bad ideas and self serving hatred aimed at everyone but the individual themselves.

False wrote:Its part of any culture. Haves and have-nots.

Its about how individuals handle it. When they congregate into toxic groups like /r/fedora-wearing misogynists or the likes it becomes an echo chamber of bad ideas and self serving hatred aimed at everyone but the individual themselves.

But is there not a difference with say the mob mentality of say football fans that results in otherwise rational people acting out of character to the ostracised individual who finds solutitude in a community and is gradually warped and manipulated?

Its always case by case, isnt it, and each group of angry young men has its own flavour and nuance. But I dont think its a problem for 'nerd' culture inherently.

Maybe dorks are just more easily swayed by these kinds of arguments? Or more visible.

False wrote:Its always case by case, isnt it, and each group of angry young men has its own flavour and nuance. But I dont think its a problem for 'nerd' culture inherently.

Maybe dorks are just more easily swayed by these kinds of arguments? Or more visible.

I think it's more that lots of nerds are people that have likely been bullied, lack self confidence and are socially inept. I would have thought that the fringes of loner outcast communities are more likely to do something of this magnitude.

False wrote:Its always case by case, isnt it, and each group of angry young men has its own flavour and nuance. But I dont think its a problem for 'nerd' culture inherently.

Maybe dorks are just more easily swayed by these kinds of arguments? Or more visible.

Hime wrote:What the actual strawberry float. Did people here know of these terms before now?

I didn't, but then i didn't even know what 'SJW' was until i saw it explained on here the other day.

Vermilion wrote:

Hime wrote:What the actual strawberry float. Did people here know of these terms before now?

I didn't, but then i didn't even know what 'SJW' was until i saw it explained on here the other day.

I think it's come up on Youtube a bunch of times and when I've been reading tech news stuff.

Hime wrote:That might apply more to the gamergate situation but they seem like part of the same issue.

There are lots of issues that are combined or related to fedora-wearing misogynists. The pick up artists (who are basically misogynistic rapists), the alt-right and gamergaters all crawled up out of the same festering pool of gooseberry fool.

Vermilion wrote:

Hime wrote:What the actual strawberry float. Did people here know of these terms before now?

I didn't, but then i didn't even know what 'SJW' was until i saw it explained on here the other day.

SJW = Super Jumping Wario. A black market rip off of Mario.

Karl wrote:

Hime wrote:It must be more than just not nailing chicks though. The internet + living in a big city makes it easier than ever to find people who either just want to get laid or don't have the confidence to approach people irl. I still find the whole thing mental, everyone wants to be better looking and for people to find them attractive.

Yeah absolutely, it's driven by much deeper issues than common-or-garden loneliness IMO. My guess is that these people don't have friends, family, hobbies, or a job, I imagine there's often untreated mental illness in there too, and being a gross misogynist online is their outlet for how bad they feel about themselves.

But if you ask them it's all "Stacy's" fault for not going out with them.

They should have asked out Stacy's mom

Hyperion wrote:

Karl wrote:

Hime wrote:It must be more than just not nailing chicks though. The internet + living in a big city makes it easier than ever to find people who either just want to get laid or don't have the confidence to approach people irl. I still find the whole thing mental, everyone wants to be better looking and for people to find them attractive.

Yeah absolutely, it's driven by much deeper issues than common-or-garden loneliness IMO. My guess is that these people don't have friends, family, hobbies, or a job, I imagine there's often untreated mental illness in there too, and being a gross misogynist online is their outlet for how bad they feel about themselves.

But if you ask them it's all "Stacy's" fault for not going out with them.

They should have asked out Stacy's mom

She's got it goin on apparently.

Vermilion wrote:

Hime wrote:What the actual strawberry float. Did people here know of these terms before now?

I didn't, but then i didn't even know what 'SJW' was until i saw it explained on here the other day.

These people are literally the worst type of customer I can deal with in my job. They are very few and far between thankfully.

Thing is, having seen what the guy looks like (i.e. not hideously ugly), he really must have been a monumental thundercunt personality wise for no woman to have ever bothered with him as there's plenty of ugly guys who still manage to pull.

Ironhide wrote:Thing is, having seen what the guy looks like (i.e. not hideously ugly), he really must have been a monumental thundercunt personality wise for no woman to have ever bothered with him as there's plenty of ugly guys who still manage to pull.

From the BBC article:

He would be seen walking around Thornlea Secondary School with his head down and hands clasped tightly together making meowing noises, Shereen Chami told Reuters news agency.

He was clearly mentally impaired in some way.

Cheeky Devlin wrote:

Hyperion wrote:

Karl wrote:

Hime wrote:It must be more than just not nailing chicks though. The internet + living in a big city makes it easier than ever to find people who either just want to get laid or don't have the confidence to approach people irl. I still find the whole thing mental, everyone wants to be better looking and for people to find them attractive.

Yeah absolutely, it's driven by much deeper issues than common-or-garden loneliness IMO. My guess is that these people don't have friends, family, hobbies, or a job, I imagine there's often untreated mental illness in there too, and being a gross misogynist online is their outlet for how bad they feel about themselves.

But if you ask them it's all "Stacy's" fault for not going out with them.

They should have asked out Stacy's mom

She's got it goin on apparently.

Well she's all i want, and i've been waitin' so long.

Knoyleo wrote:

Ironhide wrote:Thing is, having seen what the guy looks like (i.e. not hideously ugly), he really must have been a monumental thundercunt personality wise for no woman to have ever bothered with him as there's plenty of ugly guys who still manage to pull.

From the BBC article:

He would be seen walking around Thornlea Secondary School with his head down and hands clasped tightly together making meowing noises, Shereen Chami told Reuters news agency.

He was clearly mentally impaired in some way.

Maybe he thought that's how you attract pussy.....

Vermilion wrote:

Cheeky Devlin wrote:

Hyperion wrote:

Karl wrote:

Hime wrote:It must be more than just not nailing chicks though. The internet + living in a big city makes it easier than ever to find people who either just want to get laid or don't have the confidence to approach people irl. I still find the whole thing mental, everyone wants to be better looking and for people to find them attractive.

Yeah absolutely, it's driven by much deeper issues than common-or-garden loneliness IMO. My guess is that these people don't have friends, family, hobbies, or a job, I imagine there's often untreated mental illness in there too, and being a gross misogynist online is their outlet for how bad they feel about themselves.

But if you ask them it's all "Stacy's" fault for not going out with them.

They should have asked out Stacy's mom

She's got it goin on apparently.

Well she's all i want, and i've been waitin' so long.

I thought all she wanted was another baby?

False wrote:fedora-wearing misogynist = Involuntary Celibate - does what it says on the tin. Cant get their hole, even though they want it. See also: The Supreme Gentleman, Fedoracore, M'Lady, Nice Guy.

Chad = Chad Thundercock - your stereotypical jock male. Alpha male, Stacy wants him, not you. Confident, life is easy, everything handing to him on a plate. Has become gradually corrupted by fedora-wearing misogynists to mean 'attractive male that isnt me'. See also: Post-transformation Zyzz, every single american jock teenager love interest in a teen film, 99% of men who nail a bird.

Stacy = Stacy Thundercunt - your standard pretty woman. Cheerleader, pretty, friends, potential mean-girl tier. Rejects the advances of fedora-wearing misogynists in favour of getting screwed over by Chad. Rejects Nice Guys and Supreme Gentlemen blind to how good their life would be, because they are too thirsty for abs and fat cocks. See also: Literally every woman who hasnt strawberry floated you.

HTH

Don't forget about Robots. Like an fedora-wearing misogynist they have poor social skills but Robots seem to be less angry about their situations.

I was reading an article about the attack and read something pretty surprising:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/what-is-a ... -1.4633893

The origins of the word "fedora-wearing misogynist" can reportedly be traced back to a Canadian woman known in the media by only her first name, Alana.

Alana told Elle magazine in 2016 that she came up with the term while trying to find a label for her own sexual identity and create an inclusive online space for people who didn't fit the conventional pattern of adult sexual experiences and relationships.

"I was trying to create a movement that was open to anybody and everybody," she told the magazine.

Talk about misappropriation.

I was going to come to the defence of pick-up culture, but then I noticed the tweet from that Roosh fellow and... Yeah, doesn't exactly paint a pretty picture

For the most part though if you check out pick-up communities it's harmless (and productive) advice - 98% of the time targerted at men who feel they need help in the socialising and dating scene. The subreddit for pick-up it's mostly the same advice over and over: hit the gym, groom yourself properly, be playful, don't act like a dick, approach. Other posts are guys sharing their experiences of meeting women, successful or not. It's not an echo chamber of misogyny or pro-rape culture (that would be r/ince1s, that was actually shut down for being an echo chamber of misogyny and pro-rape culture), it's just geeky guys figuring out how to actually be attractive instead of an undesireable lump who does nothing with his life

And with all that said, I can't help but wonder if a tragedy like this could have been avoided if the guy hadn't fallen in with the wrong crowd. For those that never saw it, I can confirm that r/ince1s really was a hideosuly toxic place. Not only were the posts shared horrifyingly misogynistic (each time I visited out of curiosity you could bet that there'd be a rant about how rape is justifiable because sex is a base human desire) but any attempt to toss the members a lifeline and actually help them out with productive advice was often banned and removed. I remember seeing a post that read something like:

"Former 25 year old ince1, here's what I did to change myself. In a happy relationship now, you can do it too!"

The guy was chewed up and spat out for it. Mods would rush in to reassure the sub's followers that if you're over the age of 20, you're doomed to be virgin forever/Stacy only goes for Chad/we are in this together brothers and you wouldn't betray us now woud you?

I confess I haven't actually read up on this story much, but if this killer was in with a crowd like r/ince1s, it's not difficult to imagine him ending up, for want of a better phrase, radicalised in this way. Grim stuff

(Also take that, word filter)

Pick Up culture is a complicated beast.

Some in there give genuinely solid advice, as you say. Clean, get fit, groom, dress well, get some anecdotes, get out, believe in yourself. Good tenets. The problem is with the culture as a whole inviting in and heralding very toxic ideas and figures.

Its not difficult to find men in there who have nothing to offer outside of a rehearsed three line routine which they believe obligates a woman to sleep with him. Its not difficult to find an army of men who dehumanise or depersonalise women and their motives, simply assigning them as sluts or silly holes that need filling. Its not difficult to find men who engage in dishonest or immoral practices, some verging or explicitly rapey.

Sure, some people in there are alright enough, just telling you to be well and be your best self. There are a lot of people who are arseholes and should rightly be shunned and corrected, though.

I think the ethos as a whole attracts people who may straddle the fedora-wearing misogynist, nerd, socially awkward, supreme gentleman, robot regions who may be already somewhat embittered and particularly vulnerable to an anti-woman, anti-chad, anti-social rhetoric.