Tory MP's Arrest: 'Stalinesque'

PostRe: Tory MP's Arrest: 'Stalinesque' by **Hexx** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 4:41 pm

Eighthours wrote:
Atreyu wrote:Clearly I'm being dense but I have no idea what Cal's picture-based post was trying to express.

He was implying that Green will have his computer searched and be done for the paedogeddon images contained therein.

Government = bad, conspiracy theories, police = bad, Orwellian powers, and now Paedogeddon. We have a CAL THREAD JACKPOT, ladies and gents. Send on Brucie and the dancing girls!

I like mine better.

Atreyu wrote:Clearly I'm being dense but I have no idea what Cal's picture-based post was trying to express.

Brushed aluminium. Aluminium is an element, as is arsenic. Napoleon was poisoned by arsenic. He was a dictator, like Stalin.

Butt sex.

Hexx wrote:
Atreyu wrote:Clearly I'm being dense but I have no idea what Cal's picture-based post was trying to express.

I think it's a post referencing the forum "in-joke" of "Try an external Hard Drive" being the response to a fair amount of questions.

Isn't it a problem at his end?

PostRe: Tory MP's Arrest: 'Stalinesque' by **Hexx** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 4:43 pm

Atreyu wrote:
Hexx wrote:
Atreyu wrote:Clearly I'm being dense but I have no idea what Cal's picture-based post was trying to express.

I think it's a post referencing the forum "in-joke" of "Try an external Hard Drive" being the response to a fair amount of questions.

Isn't it a problem at his end?

I've often thought alot of Cal's attitude problems could be explained by a problem with his "end".

But yeah, he couldn't answer so went for the joke. That's my answer and I stick with it.

Now...what do I win?

PostRe: Tory MP's Arrest: 'Stalinesque' by **Cal** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:10 pm

Eighthours wrote:
Atreyu wrote:Clearly I'm being dense but I have no idea what Cal's picture-based post was trying to express.

He was implying that Green will have his computer searched and be done for the paedogeddon images contained therein. It's his standard line when it comes to police entering people's houses when they can't make any other charges stick.

Government = bad, conspiracy theories, police = bad, Orwellian powers, and now Paedogeddon. We have a CAL THREAD JACKPOT, ladies and gents. Send on Brucie and the dancing girls!

No, Hexx was right, actually. Although - ?

PostRe: Tory MP's Arrest: 'Stalinesque' by **SEP** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:13 pm

You haven't answered my question about what exact role Gordon Brown or New Labour played in the creation of the Official Secrets Act 1911, Cal.

PostRe: Tory MP's Arrest: 'Stalinesque' by **Cal** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:21 pm

MCN wrote:You haven't answered my question about what exact role Gordon Brown or New Labour played in the creation of the Official Secrets Act 1911, Cal.

When you ask a sensible question you'll get a sensible answer.

PostRe: Tory MP's Arrest: 'Stalinesque' by **SEP** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:24 pm

Cal wrote:
MCN wrote:You haven't answered my question about what exact role Gordon Brown or New Labour played in the creation of the Official Secrets Act 1911, Cal.

When you ask a sensible question you'll get a sensible answer.

From you? I doubt it.

The bloke was arrested under the caveat of the OSA, yet you keep banging on about these "new laws", which have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with it. At all. Basically, you're just taking the opportunity to have a dig at the government, hoping none of us actually look at the facts.

PostRe: Tory MP's Arrest: 'Stalinesque' by **Hexx** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:26 pm

MCN wrote:
Cal wrote:
MCN wrote:You haven't answered my question about what exact role Gordon Brown or New Labour played in the creation of the Official Secrets Act 1911, Cal.

When you ask a sensible question you'll get a sensible answer.

From you? I doubt it.

The bloke was arrested under the caveat of the OSA, yet you keep banging on about these "new laws", which have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with it. At all. Basically, you're just taking the opportunity to have a dig at the government, hoping none of us actually look at the facts.

Um. Atreyu might correct me, but "misconduct of a public office", is nothing to do with OSA.

PostRe: Tory MP's Arrest: 'Stalinesque' by **SEP** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:28 pm

Hexx wrote:
MCN wrote:
Cal wrote:
MCN wrote:You haven't answered my question about what exact role Gordon Brown or New Labour played in the creation of the Official Secrets Act 1911, Cal.

When you ask a sensible question you'll get a sensible answer.

From you? I doubt it.

The bloke was arrested under the caveat of the OSA, yet you keep banging on about these "new laws", which have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with it. At all. Basically, you're just taking the opportunity to have a dig at the government, hoping none of us actually look at the facts.

Um. Atreyu might correct me, but "misconduct of a public office", is nothing to do with OSA.

That misconduct is the breaking of the OSA.

PostRe: Tory MP's Arrest: 'Stalinesque' by **Cal** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:31 pm

MCN wrote:From you? I doubt it.

Nice. +3 Wit

MCN wrote:The bloke was arrested under the caveat of the OSA, yet you keep banging on about these "new laws", which have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with it. At all. Basically, you're just taking the opportunity to have a dig at the government, hoping none of us actually look at the facts.

The sorry tale has yet to play out. Let's see who's right in a week's time? The Sundays will enjoy this, so we might find out sooner than you think...

MCN wrote:That misconduct is the breaking of the OSA.

I think Hexx is right. This appears to be separate from the OSA - it's a whole other crime called 'Misconduct in Public Office.' If it were an OSA matter you'd expect they'd just charge people with that.

Cal wrote:
MCN wrote:The bloke was arrested under the caveat of the OSA, yet you keep banging on about these "new laws", which have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with it. At all. Basically, you're just taking the opportunity to have a dig at the government, hoping none of us actually look at the facts.

The sorry tale has yet to play out. Let's see who's right in a week's time? The Sundays will enjoy this, so we might find out sooner than you think...

Peter Crisp wrote:Cal I think the point is that you are beginning to see conspiracies where there are none.

PostRe: Tory MP's Arrest: 'Stalinesque' by **Hexx** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 6:07 pm

MCN wrote:
Hexx wrote:
MCN wrote:
Cal wrote:
MCN wrote:You haven't answered my question about what exact role Gordon Brown or New Labour played in the creation of the Official Secrets Act 1911, Cal.

When you ask a sensible question you'll get a sensible answer.

From you? I doubt it.

The bloke was arrested under the caveat of the OSA, yet you keep banging on about these "new laws", which have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with it. At all. Basically, you're just taking the opportunity to have a dig at the government, hoping none of us actually look at the facts.

Um. Atreyu might correct me, but "misconduct of a public office", is nothing to do with OSA.

That misconduct is the breaking of the OSA.

Have you actually got anything to back that up, because I haven't seen it anywhere. If you even read the press release from the civil sevrant, it doesn't mention it... :lol:

The reason you may have thought it was do with the OSA, is because alot of Labour commentators are saying "It's a bit rich coming from the Tories, after they tightened up the OSA due to Ponting" - clearly trying to suggest to people this is an OSA offense.

I just want Hexx and Cal to erupt into hellfire buttsex and then we'll stop getting these threads. Nothing wrong with the threads, but the conspiracy stuff at every point is boring when there's nothing to actually back it up. It's just vagueness from Cal covered up with more vagueness.

PostRe: Tory MP's Arrest: 'Stalinesque' by **Cal** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:24 am

Row over Green 'grooming' claims

Senior Tories are furious that police who arrested MP Damian Green accused him of "grooming" a Home Office mole to leak him information.

This latest revelation comes amid reports angry MPs may disrupt the state opening of Parliament on Wednesday. On the same day, Commons Speaker Michael Martin will address Parliament about the raid on Mr Green's offices. Meanwhile, many MPs are reported to be dissatisfied with Home Secretary Jacqui Smith's response so far to the arrest.

When police questioned Mr Green - the shadow immigration minister - they are said to have suggested to him that he had not "simply received leaked" information but "groomed" a civil servant who had allegedly passed him 20 confidential documents.

The man, who has been named in newspapers, was a Conservative activist who is believed to have previously applied for jobs in Mr Green's office. There was Tory anger over the police's use of the controversial term "groomed" because it is usually used in relation to child sex offences.

The Daily Telegraph has reported that some politicians are threatening to disrupt the state opening of Parliament on Wednesday in protest at the situation. It said that senior Conservatives were considering organising a walk-out unless the authorities apologised. Many MPs have said they believe the raids on Mr Green's Commons offices amounted to an attack on their ability to represent constituents and hold the government to account.

And this is how the Police now work: the use of a few well-chosen and highly toxic words can colour the public's perception of anyone placed under arrest, as they well know (often prejudicing fair treatment at the hands of a jury). We have already witnessed the charade, more than once, of seeing individuals described as 'grooming' Muslim children for terrorism, now we have a new entry in the Police list of shame: a serving MP accused of 'grooming' a junior Home Office civil servant to steal 'state secrets' (ha!). The connotations of sleaze are there, thanks to the Police's well-chosen use of a very poisonous word. It really is disgusting. I'll entertain no further excuses for the Police's behaviour from the likes of Fat Daz - this noxious, premeditated use of a term likely send the media scrum into a frenzy is all we need to know about our glorious boys in blue...

PostRe: Tory MP's Arrest: 'Stalinesque' by **Hexx** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:55 am

Gorrable wrote:Once the police have decided they're going to arrest someone, it would be completely improper for the government to attempt to stop them.

I can't believe I forgot the Saudi Arms probe that the government ordered dropped!

Jackie Smith wrote:"We don't have a police state here, despite many of the ridiculous newspaper headlines. A police state would be where ministers were directing an investigation...

Been there for 2 years then...

Any thoughts on this question yet, Cal? (Ideally not taking the form of pictures.)

Atreyu wrote:So let's say we've got a situation where the police have been brought in by the Home Office's Sir Humphrey to investigate leaks of information from the Ministry. They find out that a junior civil servant has been leaking information. Let's call that person Mr X. It looks to them like a clear breach of the law relating to misconduct in public office. They also have reason to suspect (for the sake of argument) that the leak-ee is an opposition politician who knows where the information is coming from and who has even encouraged Mr X to carry on.

If you were the police in that situation, what would you do?

Atreyu wrote:Any thoughts on this question yet, Cal? (Ideally not taking the form of pictures.)

When will you learn Atreyu? People who are right never answer questions!

I still don't see an issue here. The guy is accused of a crime and is subjected to the same treatment the rest of the population can expect. The same thing happened to Labour members in the cash for honours scandal and the Tories didn't kick up a fuss about the police then.

Personally I don't think MPs should get special treatment from the police at all.

As for the "grooming" part of it, the fuss is massively overblown.

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