Total Biscuit's legacy: GamerGate, etc.

Pedz wrote:Bi Asian Girl. HOT.

I know you're not being totally serious, but pigeonholing people's identities as a sexual fetish is shitty bahaviour, and typical of the "sensible logical middle" centrism that excuses treating people's race or sexuality as a feature for your entertainment, because it's just a bit of banter, and not meant to be racist or homophobic.

Pedz wrote:I actually worry about one of my children being gay or being trans when older, not because I mind. I honestly don't. The thing that worries me is how people will treat them. It's sad that I should feel that way, I want to live in a society where people aren't judged by their gender/race/sexuality and are judged by how they are as a person.

I know exactly what you mean. I couldn’t care less if my son was gay, but I certainly wouldn’t wish it on him as it is a harder (Kenneth.jpg) life.

My son is mixed raced so I am already terrified of what the future might have in store for him if things continue along the path they are on.

Dual wrote:Fat banana split

Blunt and to the point.

Knoyleo wrote:

Pedz wrote:Bi Asian Girl. HOT.

I know you're not being totally serious, but pigeonholing people's identities as a sexual fetish is shitty bahaviour, and typical of the "sensible logical middle" centrism that excuses treating people's race or sexuality as a feature for your entertainment, because it's just a bit of banter, and not meant to be racist or homophobic.

But bi Asian girls are hot, right?

Mafro wrote:

Dual wrote:Fat banana split

Blunt and to the point.

As a grotesquely obese person ( ), I think we all have a responsibility to our fellow chunksters to be jolly and loveable, like Santa or the Pillsbury Doughboy. When fat people are malevolent they ruin the gentle, happy-go-lucky stereotype for the rest of us, and that is Boogie's true crime and I will never ever forgive him.

Karl wrote:

Mafro wrote:

Dual wrote:Fat banana split

Blunt and to the point.

As a grotesquely obese person ( ), I think we all have a responsibility to our fellow chunksters to be jolly and loveable, like Santa or the Pillsbury Doughboy. When fat people are malevolent they ruin the gentle, happy-go-lucky stereotype for the rest of us, and that is Boogie's true crime and I will never ever forgive him.

I forget her name, but there is a British comedian who tells a joke about her teenage daughter. It goes something like “so my daughter is there moping around and being all miserable and she tells me it is because she is fat. So I told her that she is fat and so she should at least have the decency to be jolly”.

It’s funnier when I am not writing out something I half remember.

Karl wrote:

Mafro wrote:

Dual wrote:Fat banana split

Blunt and to the point.

As a grotesquely obese person ( ), I think we all have a responsibility to our fellow chunksters to be jolly and loveable, like Santa or the Pillsbury Doughboy. When fat people are malevolent they ruin the gentle, happy-go-lucky stereotype for the rest of us, and that is Boogie's true crime and I will never ever forgive him.

You're doing fine Karl \m/

I would say that I at least think fellow lefties should be careful not to insult right wing loonies in broad terms that can apply to others. So things like looks/weight/virginity/promiscuity/self worth/loneliness and other cases that can also apply to well meaning yet vulnerable people. The absurd example I always go to is "What if some nice folks look like Steve Bannon" :p

Of course don't think it's a patch on harmful right wing rhetoric at all in terms of negativity, just think it's important that toxic people are taken down for their toxicity above all else.

Jazzem wrote:...just think it's important that toxic people are taken down for their toxicity above all else.

Now this I do agree with. I think one of the reasons I struggle to get along with these kinds of topics in GR (or anywhere, really) is because - personally - I think responses like "fat strawberry split" are not really conducive to talking about the subject.

I have changed my mind a little bit in terms of dealing with racists and bigots; I know that not all of them are going to change their opinions on the basis of a discussion and that more proactive approaches are needed to change their mindset. Behaviour does need to be called out and a firm response given that it is not acceptable.

At the moment, though, I am not sure whether Boogie should get so much vitriol. His opinions are naive and perhaps his approach gives way too much ground to the people who hold horrible views, but I feel this is because he genuinely thinks that everyone will change their minds over the course of a discussion. Unfortunately, not all of them will.

In my view, more people are now open to, and embrace, diversity than in past years. I believe that a big factor in this is due to people standing up and calling out when horrible behaviours are witnessed. I feel that - in my eyes - things have improved compared to were they used to be but, of course, I'm not saying that there isn't still a long way to go.

Please note: I have not said that I support Boogie's words; nor that his approach isn't misguided in some aspects; nor that racism and bigotry doesn't take place now; nor that people should not call out unacceptable behaviour; nor that we shouldn't be vigilent for such behaviours.

Jazzem wrote:

twitter.com/CartridgeGames/status/1009956711397052416

strawberry floating hell

So let's not legalise gay marriage asap so we can accomodate for bigots?

Yeah strawberry float Boogie, sadly not surprised to see him doubling down on his '''centrist''' bullshit

FFS Boogie

When I see stuff like that it reminds me of this quote:

Martin Luther King Jr. wrote:I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."

Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

jawafour wrote:

Jazzem wrote:...just think it's important that toxic people are taken down for their toxicity above all else.

Now this I do agree with. I think one of the reasons I struggle to get along with these kinds of topics in GR (or anywhere, really) is because - personally - I think responses like "fat strawberry split" are not really conducive to talking about the subject.

I have changed my mind a little bit in terms of dealing with racists and bigots; I know that not all of them are going to change their opinions on the basis of a discussion and that more proactive approaches are needed to change their mindset. Behaviour does need to be called out and a firm response given that it is not acceptable.

At the moment, though, I am not sure whether Boogie should get so much vitriol. His opinions are naive and perhaps his approach gives way too much ground to the people who hold horrible views, but I feel this is because he genuinely thinks that everyone will change their minds over the course of a discussion. Unfortunately, not all of them will.

In my view, more people are now open to, and embrace, diversity than in past years. I believe that a big factor in this is due to people standing up and calling out when horrible behaviours are witnessed. I feel that - in my eyes - things have improved compared to were they used to be but, of course, I'm not saying that there isn't still a long way to go.

Please note: I have not said that I support Boogie's words; nor that his approach isn't misguided in some aspects; nor that racism and bigotry doesn't take place now; nor that people should not call out unacceptable behaviour; nor that we shouldn't be vigilent for such behaviours.

I guess the hope is that younger generations will become progressively more accepting of stuff like representation, trans issues and homosexuality. So in a way the battle will be won, although, I don't think we'll ever reach a point where there are not bigots and we should really trying to improve things for people living now rather than waiting for things to improve in x number of years time.

jawafour wrote:

Jazzem wrote:...just think it's important that toxic people are taken down for their toxicity above all else.

Now this I do agree with. I think one of the reasons I struggle to get along with these kinds of topics in GR (or anywhere, really) is because - personally - I think responses like "fat strawberry split" are not really conducive to talking about the subject.

Aye, sure, I didn't really like the fatshaming either (I'm fat!). But that was a pretty small part of the discourse in this thread and I found it pretty easy to ignore & just laugh at (again, I'm fat!). Most of it has been directly making fun of the silly opinions he holds, which is surely a valid way to deconstruct a viewpoint on the Internet? (I'd be more careful & polite if he were sitting across from me at the Oxford Union debating society, but that's not this situation.)

P.S. I suspect you'll get a lot of replies in quick succession. This isn't people having a go at you, it's just the nature of these discussions. You don't have to reply to any or all them, but either way I don't want you to feel gotten at.

jawafour wrote:In my view, more people are now open to, and embrace, diversity than in past years. I believe that a big factor in this is due to people standing up and calling out when horrible behaviours are witnessed. I feel that - in my eyes - things have improved compared to were they used to be but, of course, I'm not saying that there isn't still a long way to go.

I would absolutely agree with you there. Things are not as bad as they used to be a few decades ago.

But, what we fear is that we are heading back that way. Already we are seeing a large increase in racism and hate crimes as events such as Trump and Brexit* have emboldened the racists that always lurked within our midst. The reason some of us shout about bigotry (whether racism, homophobia, transphobia, Islamophobia etc) is because we fear what will happen if the bigots get braver and start increasing in numbers.

We will not put hatred back into its box if we just ignore the bigots or pretend that they have a point or that we can somehow accommodate their ideas. They need to be told to strawberry float off, loudly and clearly.



*while my views on both are clear, that isn’t a “isn’t Trump/Brexit gooseberry fool” comment, just that it is a fact that those two events have inspired and emboldened hateful people whether that was the intention of Trump/Brexit or not.

Couldn't find this thread so posted to politics. But then I realised I couldn't spell Biscuit. Or Gamergate.

Hexx wrote:Blizzard have announced a tribute bundle for TB to raise money for his family.

https://comicbook.com/gaming/2018/09/10 ... ve-bundle/

Reactions have been mixed. Strong, but mixed

Karl wrote:There's an interesting history there. TB was a tool on the wider Internet, but was very well-liked in the StarCraft community - and I guess by industry people and so on - because of his contributions to that scene.

Hexx wrote:

Karl wrote:There's an interesting history there. TB was a tool on the wider Internet, but was very well-liked in the StarCraft community because of his contributions to that scene.

Yeah I didn't really know how to feel. I know he did loads for SC2 (but I've also never been close enough to know how he's viewed "in community" - but also he did some horrible stuff.
And it's also to help his family financially (which is another story).
It made me feel "Hmm" which is why I meant to post it and see what others thought (but forgot)

oh wat the strawberry float

From the announcement

“As many of you know, John 'TotalBiscuit' Bain was one of StarCraft II’s strongest supporters,” Blizzard’s post said. “He and his wife Genna were early advocates for the game"

As if strawberry floating Starcraft 2 was some niche indie title

strawberry floating awful.

EDIT: Re his family...the guy was loaded by the end. I assume he gave all of that to his wife, who is also a youtuber I believe. I've also seen multiple other tribute bundles and the like to the guy. It's purely speculation, but I imagine there are far strawberry floating better causes out there than 'GamerGate boosting arsehole who used to shout at games.'

Not sure why this would be a surprise to anyone, Blizzard have never been shy about their partnering with TB. His announcer voice packs have been available for purchase in SC2 for donkeys years.

Knoyleo wrote:Not sure why this would be a surprise to anyone, Blizzard have never been shy about their partnering with TB. His announcer voice packs have been available for purchase in SC2 for donkeys years.

I didn't know anything about his relationship to Blizzard. Now I do, and I wish I didn't.

I wish you didn't as well.

Tafdolphin wrote:

Knoyleo wrote:Not sure why this would be a surprise to anyone, Blizzard have never been shy about their partnering with TB. His announcer voice packs have been available for purchase in SC2 for donkeys years.

I didn't know anything about his relationship to Blizzard. Now I do, and I wish I didn't.

The guy made his name from Warcraft and Starcraft, its not shocking that the company would give a little kickback for the guy who produced a shitload of content for them. Back in the early days he was a prominent community figure (before the e-fame) so its easy to see why hes in their good graces.

People can be multifaceted. Who knew?

Winckle wrote:I wish you didn't as well.

lol

also edit

“In appreciation for the contributions the Bain family have made to StarCraft II, we’ve created a collection of commemorative cosmetics for the game. 100% of the funds received from the sale of these items will go directly to Genna and their son, Orion. In the wake of a tragic loss, it is our way of saying thank you to the Bain family for all they’ve done for StarCraft II,” Blizzard said.

Not exactly a disgusting sentiment

I understand Genna Bain also now has cancer. I don't begrudge any company that supports that family at this particular time.

Yeah regardless of your thoughts of the man, I'm all for mega corporations giving money to his family. Especially if his wife is now also circling the drain. Poor kid

Winckle wrote:I wish you didn't as well.