UK General Election 2015

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Who are you voting for?

Conservative
34
22%
Labour
52
33%
Lib Dem
12
8%
UKIP
7
4%
Green
23
15%
SNP
18
11%
Plaid Cymru
1
1%
DUP
1
1%
Sinn Fein
3
2%
Independent
1
1%
Other (please state)
6
4%
 
Total votes: 158
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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by Poser » Tue May 12, 2015 10:26 am

Gandalf wrote:
ProPoser wrote:
Cal wrote:quite literally skyrocketed


Literally skyrocketed, eh? I bet Farage was literally over the moon.


Now he's left reaching for the stars....


Literally?

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by Gandalf » Tue May 12, 2015 10:27 am

ProPoser wrote:
Gandalf wrote:
ProPoser wrote:
Cal wrote:quite literally skyrocketed


Literally skyrocketed, eh? I bet Farage was literally over the moon.


Now he's left reaching for the stars....


Literally?


Literally...

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by Cal » Tue May 12, 2015 10:29 am

ProPoser wrote:
Gandalf wrote:
ProPoser wrote:
Cal wrote:quite literally skyrocketed


Literally skyrocketed, eh? I bet Farage was literally over the moon.


Now he's left reaching for the stars....


Literally?


And there's the sneer. Well done.

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by Moggy » Tue May 12, 2015 10:30 am

Eighthours wrote:'Champagne socialist' is not a meaningless phrase at all.


Depends on who it is used against. Usually it is a right winger trying to discredit anybody on the left that has a bit of money which does makes the phrase meaningless.

Used against somebody advocating full redistribution of wealth it would be fair enough bit it isn’t when it is used against somebody that just wants a fairer society.

Polly Toynbee rails against the evil Tories and the rich while sipping on pina coladas in her Tuscan villa, and preaches social equality while sending her kids to a private school.


I have no idea what Polly Toynbee says and her opinions are meaningless to me. If she is being hypocritical then rail against her, not everyone on her side of the political divide.

If you don't practise what you preach, then you're a hypocrite. I recognise that this may seem unfair where politicians are concerned - imagine the outcry if Ed Miliband had used a private hospital for his nose op! It would have been his absolute right to do so, but the imagery would have had a terrible political impact. And why? Because the rhetoric about how bad privatisation is comes from the left themselves, so it's their own fault when the likes of Toynbee get called on their hypocrisy.


I am getting the impression you don’t like Toynbee. ;)

For me it all comes down to what people argue against. Miliband going private for an operation would make him a hypocrite I agree. Miliband using the postal service probably wouldn’t, he might not like the privatisation but he would have little choice when it comes to posting a letter. Miliband wanting to tax millionaires is fine as long as he is not tax dodging himself. Etc etc.

You can be as rich as you want as a left winger, but if you slag off the concept of private services before using them yourself (hello, Polly!), if you rail against tax avoidance while having your accountants arrange complex off-shore arrangements (hello, The Guardian!) or if one of your biggest donors is Pricewaterhousecoopers (hello, Labour!) then you deserve every bit of opprobrium thrown at you.


Polly again? ;)

How many left wingers slag off the concept of private services? What private services are we talking about? Examples like Miliband going for private medical treatment or something else? Somebody like Diane Abbott would be a hypocrite imo for sending her kids to private school but she wouldn’t be for using a supermarket. All of this depends on what the people have said and what private services we are talking about.

If the Guardian uses off-shore tax then I agree they are hypocrites.

Why is Labour receiving donations from Pricewaterhousecoopers a problem? That’s a genuine questions as I am not aware of what the issue is there.

It wasn't an old TV box, by the way. That model was released in 2014 and currently has an RRP of £799. ;) He should have written it on the box of a 14 inch black and white portable.


A 2014 TV would be an old box now. Who keeps their boxes? He could have picked it up out of a skip for all we know.

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by lex-man » Tue May 12, 2015 10:31 am

I don't really like polly actually she gets a load of hate on the Guardian comments from people who call themselves left wing. But there is a difference between money's no object private health care and the stuff that's replacing NHS services.

The guy has a nice TV so what. He wants to end government cuts. I bought a nice tablet but I'm still against the cuts to welfare even though I'm currently not effected and hope never to be.

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by Poser » Tue May 12, 2015 10:32 am

Cal wrote:
ProPoser wrote:
Gandalf wrote:
ProPoser wrote:
Cal wrote:quite literally skyrocketed


Literally skyrocketed, eh? I bet Farage was literally over the moon.


Now he's left reaching for the stars....


Literally?


And there's the sneer. Well done.


You reap what you sow, Cally. Quite literally.

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by Fries. Wedges. Crisps? » Tue May 12, 2015 10:34 am

Eighthours wrote:'Champagne socialist' is not a meaningless phrase at all.


No, but it is massively overused by 'the right'. If you're dirt poor and complain about austerity or inequality you're a dirty scrounger or welfare sponger or benefit cheat. If you've got money and complain about austerity or inequality you're a champagne socialist. It has become an easy and lazy way for those on 'the right' to dismiss the valid challenges of 'the left' on social and moral issues, based on their ignorant assumption that the only reason anyone might ever be poor is because they don't work hard enough.

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by Somebody Else's Problem » Tue May 12, 2015 10:34 am

Cal wrote:
And there's the sneer. Well done.


And there's the whining about being picked on from a man who thinks anyone who isn't as insanely right-wing as he is, is a dirty communist who worships Stalin.

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by Cal » Tue May 12, 2015 10:35 am

Dan. wrote:And my mindset is far from lazy - in fact, as I recall, I gave plenty of valid reasons for considering the political party that is UKIP to be racist in another thread on this very forum, and three times you simply dismissed it as "my opinion" without a single valid counterpoint. Which is far closer to laziness than any posting behaviour I have exhibited. Just because you're comfortable with your own wilful delusions doesn't mean they don't deserve to be challenged. UKIP are a racist party, trading off the incorrect notions that immigration is bad and our continued membership of EU is bad; notions gladly perpetuated by a cynical gutter press keen to sell papers.


This is why Labour are facing five years in the political wilderness, whilst simultaneously imploding. Until you can get over your infantile accusations of 'waaycism!' and even begin to consider there might actually be problem with open-door immigration I'm afraid I reserve the right to take your valuable insights with more than a little pinch of salt.

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by Somebody Else's Problem » Tue May 12, 2015 10:38 am

Cal wrote:This is why Labour are facing five years in the political wilderness, whilst simultaneously imploding. Until you can get over your infantile accusations of 'waaycism!' and even begin to consider there might actually be problem with open-door immigration I'm afraid I reserve the right to take your valuable insights with more than a little pinch of salt.


Can you give us any evidence, anything at all, that shows immigration is bad?

Of course you can't, and you'll ignore this and refuse to actually engage, then wonder why everyone instead resorts to snark with you instead.

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by Fries. Wedges. Crisps? » Tue May 12, 2015 10:39 am

Cal wrote:
Dan. wrote:And my mindset is far from lazy - in fact, as I recall, I gave plenty of valid reasons for considering the political party that is UKIP to be racist in another thread on this very forum, and three times you simply dismissed it as "my opinion" without a single valid counterpoint. Which is far closer to laziness than any posting behaviour I have exhibited. Just because you're comfortable with your own wilful delusions doesn't mean they don't deserve to be challenged. UKIP are a racist party, trading off the incorrect notions that immigration is bad and our continued membership of EU is bad; notions gladly perpetuated by a cynical gutter press keen to sell papers.


This is why Labour are facing five years in the political wilderness, whilst simultaneously imploding. Until you can get over your infantile accusations of 'waaycism!' and even begin to consider there might actually be problem with open-door immigration I'm afraid I reserve the right to take your valuable insights with more than a little pinch of salt.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :fp:

One: my posts have nothing to do with Labour's success at election
Two: immigration has been statistically proven to be beneficial to the UK economy

Until you can get over your ignorant dismissal of cold, hard facts simply because they don't benefit your own political agenda (which is misguided and, if you honestly believe the shite UKIP spout, xenophobic) then I'm afraid I reserve the right to call you out on your arrogant, bigoted shitposting.

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by Cal » Tue May 12, 2015 10:40 am

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:
Cal wrote:This is why Labour are facing five years in the political wilderness, whilst simultaneously imploding. Until you can get over your infantile accusations of 'waaycism!' and even begin to consider there might actually be problem with open-door immigration I'm afraid I reserve the right to take your valuable insights with more than a little pinch of salt.


Can you give us any evidence, anything at all, that shows immigration is bad?


Almost 4 million votes for UKIP.

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by Fries. Wedges. Crisps? » Tue May 12, 2015 10:40 am

Cal wrote:
Somebody Else's Problem wrote:
Cal wrote:This is why Labour are facing five years in the political wilderness, whilst simultaneously imploding. Until you can get over your infantile accusations of 'waaycism!' and even begin to consider there might actually be problem with open-door immigration I'm afraid I reserve the right to take your valuable insights with more than a little pinch of salt.


Can you give us any evidence, anything at all, that shows immigration is bad?


Almost 4 million votes for UKIP.


:lol: :fp: Oh dear.

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by Somebody Else's Problem » Tue May 12, 2015 10:41 am

Cal wrote:
Somebody Else's Problem wrote:
Cal wrote:This is why Labour are facing five years in the political wilderness, whilst simultaneously imploding. Until you can get over your infantile accusations of 'waaycism!' and even begin to consider there might actually be problem with open-door immigration I'm afraid I reserve the right to take your valuable insights with more than a little pinch of salt.


Can you give us any evidence, anything at all, that shows immigration is bad?


Almost 4 million votes for UKIP.


So because there are 4 million people with a "feeling", that's sufficient evidence, is it? strawberry float off with that gooseberry fool, that's pathetic even by your standards.

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by Poser » Tue May 12, 2015 10:44 am

Cal wrote:
Somebody Else's Problem wrote:
Cal wrote:This is why Labour are facing five years in the political wilderness, whilst simultaneously imploding. Until you can get over your infantile accusations of 'waaycism!' and even begin to consider there might actually be problem with open-door immigration I'm afraid I reserve the right to take your valuable insights with more than a little pinch of salt.


Can you give us any evidence, anything at all, that shows immigration is bad?


Almost 4 million votes for UKIP.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by Errkal » Tue May 12, 2015 10:44 am

Cal wrote:
Somebody Else's Problem wrote:
Cal wrote:This is why Labour are facing five years in the political wilderness, whilst simultaneously imploding. Until you can get over your infantile accusations of 'waaycism!' and even begin to consider there might actually be problem with open-door immigration I'm afraid I reserve the right to take your valuable insights with more than a little pinch of salt.


Can you give us any evidence, anything at all, that shows immigration is bad?


Almost 4 million votes for UKIP.


You are a moron.

Just because someone voted for it doesn't make it true, it just means there are 3,999,999 other people who like you who wrongly think that immigration is bad.

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by Eighthours » Tue May 12, 2015 10:45 am

Moggy wrote:Why is Labour receiving donations from Pricewaterhousecoopers a problem? That’s a genuine questions as I am not aware of what the issue is there.


PwC has been accused of promoting tax avoidance 'on an industrial scale'. The company is Labour's biggest non-union donor.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 27344.html

I've mentioned before but will say it again: Ed Miliband's biggest donor for his leadership challenge was a hedge fund guy, and Labour themselves received over £600k from one.

http://news.sky.com/story/1449681/labou ... fund-donor

Why is this hypocritical? Because Ed described the Tories as 'the party of Mayfair hedge funds and Monaco tax avoiders'.

Incidentally, on another subject, has anyone else noticed the unions starting to circle over the questions of their influence on the next Labour leadership campaign? There are amusing stories of how last time the ballot paper was sent out along with Ed's photo on a separate leaflet. No other candidates were mentioned in the accompanying literature. DEMOCRACY!

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by Mini E » Tue May 12, 2015 10:47 am

Errkal wrote:
Cal wrote:
Somebody Else's Problem wrote:
Cal wrote:This is why Labour are facing five years in the political wilderness, whilst simultaneously imploding. Until you can get over your infantile accusations of 'waaycism!' and even begin to consider there might actually be problem with open-door immigration I'm afraid I reserve the right to take your valuable insights with more than a little pinch of salt.


Can you give us any evidence, anything at all, that shows immigration is bad?


Almost 4 million votes for UKIP.


You are a moron.

Just because someone voted for it doesn't make it true, it just means there are 3,999,999 other people who like you who wrongly think that immigration is bad.


No no, Cal is quite right. The Nazi's received over 17 million votes (43%) in the 1933 federal elections and we all know that their policies were completely on point. Votes = correct policies. It's simple math.

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by Eighthours » Tue May 12, 2015 10:48 am

Dan. wrote:
Eighthours wrote:'Champagne socialist' is not a meaningless phrase at all.


No, but it is massively overused by 'the right'. If you're dirt poor and complain about austerity or inequality you're a dirty scrounger or welfare sponger or benefit cheat. If you've got money and complain about austerity or inequality you're a champagne socialist. It has become an easy and lazy way for those on 'the right' to dismiss the valid challenges of 'the left' on social and moral issues, based on their ignorant assumption that the only reason anyone might ever be poor is because they don't work hard enough.


When any group is pigeonholed in this way, it's bad. This obviously includes how the left often characterise the right, so both sides do it lazily.

Why can't we all just be excellent to each other? :(

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PostRe: UK General Election 2015
by Moggy » Tue May 12, 2015 10:48 am

Eighthours wrote:
Moggy wrote:Why is Labour receiving donations from Pricewaterhousecoopers a problem? That’s a genuine questions as I am not aware of what the issue is there.


PwC has been accused of promoting tax avoidance 'on an industrial scale'. The company is Labour's biggest non-union donor.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 27344.html

I've mentioned before but will say it again: Ed Miliband's biggest donor for his leadership challenge was a hedge fund guy, and Labour themselves received over £600k from one.

http://news.sky.com/story/1449681/labou ... fund-donor

Why is this hypocritical? Because Ed described the Tories as 'the party of Mayfair hedge funds and Monaco tax avoiders'.


Ahh. Fair enough, that is rather hypocritical!

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