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Re: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread
Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 8:20 pm
by tweep
The IPCC advise on how to tackle climate change - which is a political issue. They don't even make the strawberry floating policies, they just tell those who make policies what the facts are.
Climate change being a result of human activity isn't a political issue. It's a scientific fact.
Re: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread
Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:34 pm
by Vermin
Everything is politics. At least that was what I was taught in Political Science at Uni. I understand that you want to distinguish in order to keep the issue clean and clear, but it never can be.
Re: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 1:12 am
by Meep
[iup=3521605]Cal[/iup] wrote:[iup=3521478]tweep[/iup] wrote:I know this is an issue that is brought up a lot, but climate change is completely independent of political views.
I could not disagree with you more. CAGW is
all about politics - it's even written into the name of the world's foremost 'authority' on the subject - The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. The clue really is in the name!
The main job of the IPCC is to produce 'summaries for policy makers'. Again, they're kinda giving the game away there, don't you think?
How else would you suggest various countries coordinate their efforts to combat climate change other than through their governments? How do you expect them to coordinate their implementation of agreed policies without drawing up guides for putting such policy in place? Would you prefer they all pursued completely independent policies with no clear direction? Well, I suppose you might if you believed in a fantasy about the world's climate scientists somehow pulling off the mother of all conspiracies.
Re: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 5:50 am
by Stugene
Gas.
Re: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:08 pm
by That
[iup=3521770]TimeGhost[/iup] wrote:Everything is politics. At least that was what I was taught in Political Science at Uni.
Funny that.
The principles of physical science would hold true whether there were politicians around to misunderstand them or not.
Re: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:13 pm
by Moggy
[iup=3522801]Kawaii[/iup] wrote:[iup=3521770]TimeGhost[/iup] wrote:Everything is politics. At least that was what I was taught in Political Science at Uni.
Funny that.
The principles of physical science would hold true whether there were politicians around to misunderstand them or not.
Sounds just like something a liberal would say.
Re: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 1:05 pm
by Meep
Things are only actually political if they effect policy, funnily enough. In that regard climate change is political because it results in policy change. The actual science of it is not.
Re: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 5:21 pm
by Vermin
[iup=3522801]Kawaii[/iup] wrote:[iup=3521770]TimeGhost[/iup] wrote:Everything is politics. At least that was what I was taught in Political Science at Uni.
Funny that.
The principles of physical science would hold true whether there were politicians around to misunderstand them or not.
I didn't say they wouldn't hold true. Pointless comment.
Re: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 6:46 pm
by Tineash
[iup=3517508]Tineash[/iup] wrote:[iup=3517503]Eighthours[/iup] wrote:[iup=3516030]Hexx[/iup] wrote:So - Ed Milliband on leadership.
Thoughts ?
You couldn't make the timing up - Ed delivering that speech in the same week as he jetted across the Atlantic while Gaza was in flames, just so he could get a 30 minute 'brush-by' photo-op with Obama. The man is not on the same planet as everyone else if he genuinely can't see the juxtaposition. Not even the most basic level of self-awareness!
Well, we already know that the whole Syria conflict is Ed's fault, he probably didn't want to get blamed for this one too.
- 6 days later -Ed Miliband has undermined the Middle East peace effort by being “ultra-critical” of Israel, Chris Grayling has suggested.
Re: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 6:49 pm
by Winckle
Wouldn't want to be too critical of war crimes.
Re: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 6:56 pm
by Rex Kramer
Chris Grayling really ought to be concentrating on the current appalling state of the prison service.
Re: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 12:19 am
by Rocsteady
Good move by Clegg to call for what is essentially drug decriminalisation.
I'm encouraged by the support the move's received as well, haven't seen the Mail/Express/Telegraph's take on it but otherwise as far as I can see it's gotten a positive response. 77% of Mirror visitors online have come out in favour of the change.
Re: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:51 pm
by Tineash
Wouldn't it be great if the Lib Dems could get into government? That Nick Clegg has such great ideas, I'm sure it would all go swimmingly!
Re: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:53 pm
by Moggy
[iup=3528898]Tineash[/iup] wrote:Wouldn't it be great if the Lib Dems could get into government? That Nick Clegg has such great ideas, I'm sure it would all go swimmingly!
He seems an honest sort of bloke. I'm sure he wouldn't turn his back on any pledges or promises.
Re: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread
Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:16 am
by Cal
Just an interesting BBC-related story I picked up on in The Times (unfortunately the link is paywalled):
The BBC is sending out almost 100,000 enforcement letters each day demanding payment of the licence fee.
MPs and campaigners rounded on the corporation last night as it emerged that more than 46 million letters have been sent out by TV Licensing in the past two years. This is despite the BBC admitting that evasion remains low, at a rate of between 5 and 6 per cent of households with a television.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/medi ... 174711.eceWow. 46 million letters in just 2 years.
I wonder how those Charter renewal negotiations are going for Auntie?
Re: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread
Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:32 am
by Winckle
I wonder if The Times or its owners have any sort of vested interest in discrediting or campaigning for the removal of funding from the BBC.
Re: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread
Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:50 am
by Moggy
Am I missing something? How does 100,000 letters a day make 46 million over 2 years?
Re: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread
Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:12 pm
by Winckle
[iup=3532700]Moggy[/iup] wrote:Am I missing something? How does 100,000 letters a day make 46 million over 2 years?
"Almost" in hack-speak can mean "I rounded up seven to ten", or in this case "70,000 to 100,000".
Re: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread
Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:13 pm
by TigaSefi
You're right! It should be 73 million letters.
Re: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread
Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:18 pm
by Winckle
[iup=3532745]TigaSefi[/iup] wrote:You're right! It should be 73 million letters.
Aw bless.