[DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread

Fatal Exception » Tue May 27, 2014 8:43 am wrote:I leave the country for 3 days and this gooseberry fool happens. strawberry float you Britain.

This is all your fault.

Don't ever leave again.

I'm seeing a lot of sheepish "gooseberry fool..err...I guess I should have voted" and other variations all over the internet. Might be a good wake up call this for the public to realise it only takes 10% of the voting public to get their party to come top when it's a low turnout.

Bearing in mind, all the people that were thinking of voting UKIP would have made a point of going out and voting on Thursday - so just some of that leftover 65% bothering to vote could have easily shunted UKIP down behind the others I reckon.

Whatever you think of them, UKIP managed to successfully engage with their potential voters and got them to the voting booths. Lots of lessons to be learnt here I reckon.

Coreopsis » Tue May 27, 2014 1:56 pm wrote:I'm seeing a lot of sheepish "gooseberry fool..err...I guess I should have voted" and other variations all over the internet. Might be a good wake up call this for the public to realise it only takes 10% of the voting public to get their party to win when it's a low turnout.

Bearing in mind, all the people that were thinking of voting UKIP would have made a point of going out and voting on Thursday - so just some of that leftover 65% bothering to vote could have easily shunted UKIP down behind the others I reckon.

Whatever you think of them, UKIP managed to successfully engage with their potential voters and got them to the voting booths. Lots of lessons to be learnt here I reckon.

The big problem is UKIP are now the protest vote, like the Lib Dems used to be before they sold their voters out. The protest vote for right wing parties is a further right party And they are proper bat gooseberry fool crazy.

Left Wing parties seem to be independents, small or disorganised. They might get one or two MPs but nothing on the scale which can be matched by UKIP. Maybe the greens could but they are strawberry floating useless at getting publicity. UKIP's fuckups in the run up to the election just served to anger people who weren't going to vote for them anyway and got morons knowing who they were and giving them votes.

The system is a shambles. But without any organised left wing parties how are we going to keep Labour, The Conservatives and UKIP from strawberry floating up the country further?

The greens just need to start being a bit racist to get some press

I blame the BBC. If they would have stopped putting Farage on the front of the News everyday for the three weeks running up to the election they might have killed off the hype a little bit. I might complain about them not being neutral as no other party got the coverage UKIP did. In my mind.

If only the Green party had a punchable figure head like UKIP did. Can't deny Farage ran a blinder of a campaign the wanker. He's gone right for everyone who has ever said "hurrr durr I would vote for Jeremy Clarkson if I could!" Lowest denominator stuff.

Irene Demova » Tue May 27, 2014 2:18 pm wrote:The greens just need to start being a bit racist to get some press

Fatal Exception » Tue May 27, 2014 1:05 pm wrote:The big problem is UKIP are now the protest vote...

Yeah, I hear this a lot. It's a partial truth. There is no doubt that many must have used a vote for UKIP as some kind of protest at the council and EU elections; but there is equally no doubt that a great many also genuinely voted for UKIP on their own merits. The msm (especially the BBC) like to parrot the 'protest vote' meme as their lazy way of explaining away the disconnect they experience when trying to work out why just why UKIP seem to get so many votes (and rising). As Nigel Farage has said 'if it's a protest vote, then it's a permanent protest' - and he does have a point, since UKIP have not only retained their votes, but seem to be increasing them.

I don't expect the msm to ever reconcile themselves to the reality of situation: that UKIP might actually now be enjoying a core voter base in the country. They won't countenance the possibility that decades of their wishy-washy liberal progressive pro-EU brainwashing just hasn't worked on vast numbers of the populace. Must be a protest. Er, yeah...that must be it.

So according to the BBC, Clegg said the Lib Dems have been advocating a Europe referendum for a long time!

The guy is so short credibility it is unbelievable. This coalition has turned into a complete disaster for the Lib Dems.

What exactly is wrong with the EU/being in the EU? I don't think I've ever heard an actual negative point, just numerous instances of vague 'oh they impose all these restrictions' expressions without actively stating what they are.

Banjo » Tue May 27, 2014 3:44 pm wrote:What exactly is wrong with the EU/being in the EU? I don't think I've ever heard an actual negative point, just numerous instances of vague 'oh they impose all these restrictions' expressions without actively stating what they are.

oh it costs us billions apparently

/ignores billions owed by corporations dodging tax

CUT THE BENEFITS, THEY'RE COSTING US TOO MUCH MONEY!

/ignores billions owed by corporations dodging tax

strawberry floatin IMMIGRANTS COMIN IN 2 CUNTRY TO STEAL CAUSE FUSS

/ignores the fact most of these people suffer from severe poverty after they're abused by the same corporations as above

Maybe these romanians wouldn't turn to crime when they came in the country if they had a fair chance to earn a decent wage and make a life for themselves either here or in Romania/somewhere else.

Banjo » Tue May 27, 2014 3:44 pm wrote:What exactly is wrong with the EU/being in the EU? I don't think I've ever heard an actual negative point, just numerous instances of vague 'oh they impose all these restrictions' expressions without actively stating what they are.

Something about the Spanish stealing our fish, the Poles stealing our jobs and the Romanians stealing everything else.

Moggy » Tue May 27, 2014 3:59 pm wrote:

Banjo » Tue May 27, 2014 3:44 pm wrote:What exactly is wrong with the EU/being in the EU? I don't think I've ever heard an actual negative point, just numerous instances of vague 'oh they impose all these restrictions' expressions without actively stating what they are.

Something about the Spanish stealing our fish, the Poles stealing our jobs and the Romanians stealing everything else.

Also a large part of the EU is un elected completely unlike the one we already had at home

Banjo » Tue May 27, 2014 2:44 pm wrote:What exactly is wrong with the EU/being in the EU?

I'd imagine there's nothing wrong with being a member of the EU if what you want is a federated, socialist European superstate. Inconveniently for the unelected bureaucracy running the EU (and you really should investigate the political affiliations of the EU top brass for some idea of where I'm coming from on this) quite a few people don't agree with their grand project, mainly because they don't agree with the political direction of the EU. What started off as a sensible economic trading agreement (the EEC) quickly started turning into what it was always (secretly) intended to be - a stealth plan to bring about 'ever closer integration' (social, economic and political), to erase national borders ('open borders'), to subsume national governments in favour of central rule from within the EU itself, etc.

There is nothing at all wrong with European nations working closely together for trade (in fact, there is much to recommend it). It's all the other stuff that the EU has subsequently become - and for which nobody under the age of 40 today has been asked to vote for - that causes all the trouble.

a stealth plan to bring about 'ever closer integration' (social, economic and political), to erase national borders ('open borders'), to subsume national governments in favour of central rule from within the EU itself, etc.

I don't understand why removing national borders is a bad thing. We're all the same species and we're all from the same planet. Why the hell is there borders in the first place? They're a manmade concept and in the light of things shouldn't have existed in the first place.

Those imaginary lines have caused the deaths of billions of our species since it's creation.

Qikz » Tue May 27, 2014 4:46 pm wrote:

a stealth plan to bring about 'ever closer integration' (social, economic and political), to erase national borders ('open borders'), to subsume national governments in favour of central rule from within the EU itself, etc.

I don't understand why removing national borders is a bad thing. We're all the same species and we're all from the same planet. Why the hell is there borders in the first place? They're a manmade concept and in the light of things shouldn't have existed in the first place.

Those imaginary lines have caused the deaths of billions of our species since it's creation.

But, but foreigners! They wouldn't be local or anything

I don't have a problem with it either, competition helps advance our species. If you want something then you work for it, don't expect things to be handed to you.

If someone who doesn't speak English as a first language is capable of coming here and stealing your job, then, well...

Yay Tapatalk.

Hime wrote:

Qikz wrote:

a stealth plan to bring about 'ever closer integration' (social, economic and political), to erase national borders ('open borders'), to subsume national governments in favour of central rule from within the EU itself, etc.

I don't understand why removing national borders is a bad thing. We're all the same species and we're all from the same planet. Why the hell is there borders in the first place? They're a manmade concept and in the light of things shouldn't have existed in the first place.

Those imaginary lines have caused the deaths of billions of our species since it's creation.

Reminds me of this:

Nice of Cal to avoid actually providing any examples to back his claims.

Hime » Tue May 27, 2014 7:10 pm wrote:

Hime wrote:

Qikz wrote:

a stealth plan to bring about 'ever closer integration' (social, economic and political), to erase national borders ('open borders'), to subsume national governments in favour of central rule from within the EU itself, etc.

I don't understand why removing national borders is a bad thing. We're all the same species and we're all from the same planet. Why the hell is there borders in the first place? They're a manmade concept and in the light of things shouldn't have existed in the first place.

Those imaginary lines have caused the deaths of billions of our species since it's creation.

Reminds me of this:

Nice of Cal to avoid actually providing any examples to back his claims.

Faust is doing the same thing.