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PostRe: US Politics - US Leaves UN Human Rights Council
by DML » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:58 am

Moggy wrote:
Squinty wrote:Now this is all about a jacket. Good play Trump team.


Yep, that was the plan.

The amazing thing about Trump is that there is so much controversy and outrage that it is hard to pin anything to him. Every day there is another load of evil bullshit to contend with.

I hope it all catches up on him eventually, but I have a horrible feeling he is going to keep on going.


I don't think this was orchestrated.

I think they are all idiots.

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PostRe: US Politics - US Leaves UN Human Rights Council
by Moggy » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:14 am

DML wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Squinty wrote:Now this is all about a jacket. Good play Trump team.


Yep, that was the plan.

The amazing thing about Trump is that there is so much controversy and outrage that it is hard to pin anything to him. Every day there is another load of evil bullshit to contend with.

I hope it all catches up on him eventually, but I have a horrible feeling he is going to keep on going.


I don't think this was orchestrated.

I think they are all idiots.


The whole thing was orchestrated, reports are now claiming that Melania didn't even go to a proper detention centre, instead going to a more photo op friendly location.

Calling them idiots is giving them too much credit, they are evil.

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PostRe: US Politics - US Leaves UN Human Rights Council
by DML » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:18 am

Moggy wrote:
DML wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Squinty wrote:Now this is all about a jacket. Good play Trump team.


Yep, that was the plan.

The amazing thing about Trump is that there is so much controversy and outrage that it is hard to pin anything to him. Every day there is another load of evil bullshit to contend with.

I hope it all catches up on him eventually, but I have a horrible feeling he is going to keep on going.


I don't think this was orchestrated.

I think they are all idiots.


The whole thing was orchestrated, reports are now claiming that Melania didn't even go to a proper detention centre, instead going to a more photo op friendly location.

Calling them idiots is giving them too much credit, they are evil.


Oh they are definitely evil.

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PostRe: US Politics - US Leaves UN Human Rights Council
by Alvin Flummux » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:43 am

Squinty wrote:Now this is all about a jacket. Good play Trump team.


For now, but this is going to be a slow burning scandal - with thousands of children orphaned by the state, an immigration system that was already rife with sexual and physical abuse charges (where are all the girls, why haven't we seen any, etc?), secretive detention facilities any investigative reporter would love to infiltrate etc.

This isn't the end of it by a long shot.

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by Hexx » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:10 am

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PostRe: US Politics - US Leaves UN Human Rights Council
by Peter Crisp » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:12 am

I really hope history remembers Trump as the twat he is.
I also hope the next guy does an even better job of demolishing Trumps memory and smearing his name in the dirt.

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PostRe: US Politics - US Leaves UN Human Rights Council
by Moggy » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:26 am

twitter.com/independent/status/1010078074950569984



We need to remember this guy when the racist fucknuggets are going on about WW2.

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PostRe: US Politics - US Leaves UN Human Rights Council
by BID0 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:49 am

Avaaz are crowdfunding to pay for lawyers to reunite those families that have already been split up. 8,000 donations so far of their 50,000 target they had for yesterday.

https://secure.avaaz.org/en/child_hostages_loc/

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PostRe: US Politics - US Leaves UN Human Rights Council
by Moggy » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:28 pm

twitter.com/fourfoot/status/1010106661271416832



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PostRe: US Politics - US Leaves UN Human Rights Council
by Photek » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:04 pm

Hillary Clinton is in Dubin today to receive an Honorary Degree from Trinity College. :wub:

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by Garth » Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:26 pm

Lots going on with Michael Cohen this week:
Trump's personal attorney is 'willing to give info' about the President

Donald Trump's personal attorney Michael Cohen has signaled to friends that he is "willing to give" investigators information on the President if that's what they are looking for, and is planning on hiring a new lawyer to handle a possible indictment from federal prosecutors.

"He knows a lot of things about the President and he's not averse to talking in the right situation," one of Cohen's New York friends who is in touch with him told CNN. "If they want information on Trump, he's willing to give it."

Cohen is planning to hire Guy Petrillo, a former chief of the criminal division of the US attorney's office in Manhattan and an experienced trial lawyer, a source familiar confirmed. The source said all the paperwork and retainer may not have been finalized just yet.

The shift in legal strategy and signals of potential cooperation with investigators come as Cohen feels increasingly isolated from the President, whom he has been famously loyal to for more than a decade. Last week, CNN reported Cohen has indicated a willingness to cooperate to alleviate pressure on himself and his family.

"He feels let down by him and isolated by him," another friend of Cohen's told CNN.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/19/poli ... index.html

Mr. Cohen has frequently told associates in recent months he is frustrated that the president hasn’t offered to pay his legal fees, which he has said are “bankrupting” him, according to one of the people. He has said he feels that Mr. Trump owes him after his years of loyalty to the former real-estate developer, whom he served for nearly a decade at the Trump Organization.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/michael-co ... 1529447136

Never expect loyalty from Trump!

Cohen then resigned from the RNC and criticised Trump's family separation policy:
Michael Cohen resigns from RNC committee post

Michael Cohen, President Trump’s longtime confidant and former personal attorney, has resigned from his post as deputy finance chair of the Republican National Committee's Finance Committee, sources close to the RNC told ABC News.

In his resignation letter to Ronna McDaniel, the RNC chair, Cohen cited the ongoing special counsel investigation as one reason for his departure. ABC News has reviewed the email.

“This important role requires the full time attention and dedication of each member. Given the ongoing Mueller and SDNY investigations, that simply is impossible for me to do,” he wrote.

Cohen also criticized the administration's policy of separating migrant children from their parents at the southern border, the first time he’s distanced himself from the president.

"As the son of a Polish holocaust survivor, the images and sounds of this family separation policy is heart wrenching,” Cohen wrote. “While I strongly support measures that will secure our porous borders, children should never be used as bargaining chips."

Cohen on Tuesday hired New York lawyer Guy Petrillo to represent him in a federal investigation headed up by the Southern District of New York.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/michael ... d=56033406

twitter.com/TomArnold/status/1009953706748665858


Cohen is now also involved in an anti-Trump show:
Michael Cohen Agrees That He’s Taking Trump Down: ‘F*ck Trump,’ Says Cohen’s Wife.

On the other end of the spectrum, you have Roseanne Barr’s ex-husband and Hollywood star, Tom Arnold, investigating what he believes may be multiple tapes of Trump in compromising situations. Arnold is actually working with VICELAND on a new show titled, ‘The Hunt For The Trump Tapes With Tom Arnold,’ which is sure to be a hit, especially among Democrats and the ‘Never Trump’ crowd.

Earlier this year I reached out to Arnold after noticing that he was seeking information regarding the alleged tapes of the President, and he told me this:

“I’m not working alone Brian. You’ll know the others names. I’m dragging people out on Twitter. It’s part of the plan & it’s working. Soon.”

So, what happens when you get the two of these men together in New York City? Apparently, you get answers!

Yesterday evening Tom Arnold posted the following image to Twitter with the simple, yet telling caption “I love New York.”

Shortly after this, NBC News reached out to Arnold who gave quite a few hints on how this meeting went.

“We’ve been on the other side of the table and now we’re on the same side. It’s on! I hope he [Trump] sees the picture of me and Michael Cohen and it haunts his dreams,” Arnold told NBC News.

He then went on to reveal a bombshell, which seems to indicate that Cohen is done playing around, and that both him and his wife are frustrated and let down by Trump’s behavior towards them.

“I say to Michael, ‘Guess what? We’re taking Trump down together, and he’s so tired he’s like, ‘OK,’ and his wife is like, ‘OK, f*** Trump,'” Arnold laughed.

Michael Cohen has since referred all inquiries into this New York meeting to Tom Arnold, himself, indicating that Cohen trusts Arnold and the two men seem to be working together on this. What this also appears to indicate is that Cohen has likely decided to flip on the President, and if he does, the President’s deepest, darkest secrets will likely be revealed, not only to investigators, but to the American people via Arnold’s show.

https://hillreporter.com/michael-cohen-tom-arnold-2974

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PostRe: US Politics - US Leaves UN Human Rights Council
by Alvin Flummux » Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:31 pm

Trump might pardon him, though if his loyalty is gone already then he can still spill the beans.

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PostRe: US Politics - US Leaves UN Human Rights Council
by Moggy » Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:35 pm

Alvin Flummux wrote:Trump might pardon him, though if his loyalty is gone already then he can still spill the beans.


An offer of a pardon and a big wedge of cash will soon shut Cohen up.

Hopefully Trump is too stupid to offer him either of those things.

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PostRe: US Politics - US Leaves UN Human Rights Council
by Alvin Flummux » Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:45 pm

Moggy wrote:
Alvin Flummux wrote:Trump might pardon him, though if his loyalty is gone already then he can still spill the beans.


An offer of a pardon and a big wedge of cash will soon shut Cohen up.

Hopefully Trump is too stupid to offer him either of those things.


Hopefully the Feds have enough on Cohen to mean Trump can't pardon him of all his crimes at once.

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PostRe: US Politics - US Leaves UN Human Rights Council
by Moggy » Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:47 pm

Alvin Flummux wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Alvin Flummux wrote:Trump might pardon him, though if his loyalty is gone already then he can still spill the beans.


An offer of a pardon and a big wedge of cash will soon shut Cohen up.

Hopefully Trump is too stupid to offer him either of those things.


Hopefully the Feds have enough on Cohen to mean Trump can't pardon him of all his crimes at once.


He can only pardon federal crimes can't he? Hopefully they can threaten to hand lots and lots of state crimes to New York that Trump can't help him with.

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by KK » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:39 pm

BBC News wrote:Migrant families separation poster girl not taken from mum

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A little girl who became the public face of US migrant family separations was not taken away from her mother at the US border, says her father.

A photograph of the Honduran toddler sobbing in a pink jacket was snapped at the scene of a border detention.

Time magazine has used the image for its latest cover, depicting President Donald Trump looming over the girl with the caption: "Welcome to America".

But thousands of other child migrants have been taken from parents in the US.

The image was taken by photographer John Moore for the news agency Getty Images on 12 June at McAllen, Texas.

The Pulitzer prize-winner told the BBC that the mother had been breastfeeding her child after crossing the Rio Grande in a raft in the moments before they were detained.

Mr Moore said they were taken away together by border patrol.

The photo stoked outrage over the Trump administration's child migrant separations policy, rolled out in April, of removing young undocumented people from their mothers and fathers as they are detained for crossing the US-Mexico border.

The photo helped secure $17m (£13m) in donations from hundreds of thousands of people on a Facebook fundraiser for the Refugee and Immigrant Center for Education and Legal Services, a Texas-based non-profit organisation.

"My daughter has become a symbol of the separation of children at the US border," Denis Valera told Reuters news agency.

"She may have even touched President Trump's heart."

"Seeing what was happening to her in that moment breaks anyone's heart," he added.

Mr Valera said his daughter and her mother, Sandra Sanchez, have been detained together in the border town of McAllen as Ms Sanchez sought asylum.

Honduran Deputy Foreign Minister Nelly Jerez verified Mr Valera's version of events to Reuters.

Carlos Ruiz, the Border Patrol agent who stopped Ms Sanchez and her daughter, said the mother was asked to set the child down so she could be searched.

"The kid immediately started crying as she set her down," said Mr Ruiz. "I personally went up to the mother and asked her, 'Are you doing OK? Is the kid OK?'

"And she said, 'Yes. She's tired and thirsty. It's 11 o'clock at night.'"

The little girl is two-year-old Yanela Denise, according to the Daily Mail newspaper.

Mr Valera said Ms Sanchez and their daughter had left the Honduran city of Puerto Cortes without telling him or the couple's three other children.

He said he believed she went to the US in search of better economic opportunities.

Mr Valera told Reuters: "If they are deported, that is OK as long as they do not leave the child without her mother. I am waiting to see what happens with them."

He told the Daily Mail he understands Ms Sanchez paid $6,000 to a smuggler to get her across the border.

According to the newspaper, the couple's three other children are aged 14, 11 and six.

Mr Valera said: "The kids see what's happening. They're a little worried but I don't try to bring it up that much. They know their mother and sister are safe now."

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Time magazine defended its cover on Friday, saying that the photograph of the girl "became the most visible symbol of the ongoing immigration debate in America for a reason".

"Our cover and our reporting capture the stakes of this moment," wrote the magazine's editor-in-chief Edward Felsenthal.

The magazine also corrected its story, which said the girl was "carried away screaming by US Border Patrol agents", to instead say the mother and daughter were "taken away together".


White House spokeswoman Sarah Sanders on Twitter claimed that Democrats and the media "exploited this photo of a little girl to push their agenda".

"She was not separated from her mom. The separation here is from the facts," she wrote.

On Friday, Mr Trump accused Democrats of playing politics with "phony stories of sadness and grief".

Approximately 2,300 children have been removed from their families since Mr Trump's "zero-tolerance" policy began in May, and housed in detention centres run by the Department of Health and Human Services.

Some shelters, including three in Texas, house so-called "tender age" children, who are under five years old.

About 500 children have been reunited with their families since May, a Homeland Security official said on Thursday.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44578339

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PostRe: US Politics - US Leaves UN Human Rights Council
by Jenuall » Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:17 am

Moggy wrote:
Alvin Flummux wrote:Trump might pardon him, though if his loyalty is gone already then he can still spill the beans.


An offer of a pardon and a big wedge of cash will soon shut Cohen up.

Hopefully Trump is too stupid to offer him either of those things.


I can't recall the precise intricacies of US law but wouldn't a pardon actually be a good thing in some of these cases around Trump? If you're pardoned by the President then you're at no risk of prosecution and so can be compelled to testify in situations where you may otherwise have been able to plead the 5th?

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by Corazon de Leon » Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:45 am

Garth wrote:Lots going on with Michael Cohen this week:
Trump's personal attorney is 'willing to give info' about the President

Donald Trump's personal attorney Michael Cohen has signaled to friends that he is "willing to give" investigators information on the President if that's what they are looking for, and is planning on hiring a new lawyer to handle a possible indictment from federal prosecutors.

"He knows a lot of things about the President and he's not averse to talking in the right situation," one of Cohen's New York friends who is in touch with him told CNN. "If they want information on Trump, he's willing to give it."

Cohen is planning to hire Guy Petrillo, a former chief of the criminal division of the US attorney's office in Manhattan and an experienced trial lawyer, a source familiar confirmed. The source said all the paperwork and retainer may not have been finalized just yet.

The shift in legal strategy and signals of potential cooperation with investigators come as Cohen feels increasingly isolated from the President, whom he has been famously loyal to for more than a decade. Last week, CNN reported Cohen has indicated a willingness to cooperate to alleviate pressure on himself and his family.

"He feels let down by him and isolated by him," another friend of Cohen's told CNN.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/19/poli ... index.html

Mr. Cohen has frequently told associates in recent months he is frustrated that the president hasn’t offered to pay his legal fees, which he has said are “bankrupting” him, according to one of the people. He has said he feels that Mr. Trump owes him after his years of loyalty to the former real-estate developer, whom he served for nearly a decade at the Trump Organization.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/michael-co ... 1529447136

Never expect loyalty from Trump!

Cohen then resigned from the RNC and criticised Trump's family separation policy:
Michael Cohen resigns from RNC committee post

Michael Cohen, President Trump’s longtime confidant and former personal attorney, has resigned from his post as deputy finance chair of the Republican National Committee's Finance Committee, sources close to the RNC told ABC News.

In his resignation letter to Ronna McDaniel, the RNC chair, Cohen cited the ongoing special counsel investigation as one reason for his departure. ABC News has reviewed the email.

“This important role requires the full time attention and dedication of each member. Given the ongoing Mueller and SDNY investigations, that simply is impossible for me to do,” he wrote.

Cohen also criticized the administration's policy of separating migrant children from their parents at the southern border, the first time he’s distanced himself from the president.

"As the son of a Polish holocaust survivor, the images and sounds of this family separation policy is heart wrenching,” Cohen wrote. “While I strongly support measures that will secure our porous borders, children should never be used as bargaining chips."

Cohen on Tuesday hired New York lawyer Guy Petrillo to represent him in a federal investigation headed up by the Southern District of New York.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/michael ... d=56033406

twitter.com/TomArnold/status/1009953706748665858


Cohen is now also involved in an anti-Trump show:
Michael Cohen Agrees That He’s Taking Trump Down: ‘F*ck Trump,’ Says Cohen’s Wife.

On the other end of the spectrum, you have Roseanne Barr’s ex-husband and Hollywood star, Tom Arnold, investigating what he believes may be multiple tapes of Trump in compromising situations. Arnold is actually working with VICELAND on a new show titled, ‘The Hunt For The Trump Tapes With Tom Arnold,’ which is sure to be a hit, especially among Democrats and the ‘Never Trump’ crowd.

Earlier this year I reached out to Arnold after noticing that he was seeking information regarding the alleged tapes of the President, and he told me this:

“I’m not working alone Brian. You’ll know the others names. I’m dragging people out on Twitter. It’s part of the plan & it’s working. Soon.”

So, what happens when you get the two of these men together in New York City? Apparently, you get answers!

Yesterday evening Tom Arnold posted the following image to Twitter with the simple, yet telling caption “I love New York.”

Shortly after this, NBC News reached out to Arnold who gave quite a few hints on how this meeting went.

“We’ve been on the other side of the table and now we’re on the same side. It’s on! I hope he [Trump] sees the picture of me and Michael Cohen and it haunts his dreams,” Arnold told NBC News.

He then went on to reveal a bombshell, which seems to indicate that Cohen is done playing around, and that both him and his wife are frustrated and let down by Trump’s behavior towards them.

“I say to Michael, ‘Guess what? We’re taking Trump down together, and he’s so tired he’s like, ‘OK,’ and his wife is like, ‘OK, f*** Trump,'” Arnold laughed.

Michael Cohen has since referred all inquiries into this New York meeting to Tom Arnold, himself, indicating that Cohen trusts Arnold and the two men seem to be working together on this. What this also appears to indicate is that Cohen has likely decided to flip on the President, and if he does, the President’s deepest, darkest secrets will likely be revealed, not only to investigators, but to the American people via Arnold’s show.

https://hillreporter.com/michael-cohen-tom-arnold-2974


I hope they can get to the bottom of all the True Lies that Trump has been telling.

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PostRe: US Politics - US Leaves UN Human Rights Council
by wensleydale » Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:56 pm

strawberry floating hell I had to scroll through the longest quote in message board history just to get to that joke. What a way to start a Saturday ☹️

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PostRe: US Politics - US Leaves UN Human Rights Council
by Corazon de Leon » Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:02 pm

:lol: Not even sorry.


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