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PostRe: US Politics
by Alvin Flummux » Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:14 pm

It's like he insists on being the wrongest man on earth all the time.

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PostRe: US Politics
by Garth » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:05 pm

Trump now says he holds Putin responsible for election interference

"I would because he's in charge of the country just like I consider myself to be responsible for things that happen in this country," Trump said. "So certainly as the leader of the country you would have to hold him responsible."

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/18/poli ... index.html

He's only blaming Putin for something that happened in his country, as if Putin wasn't aware and involved :roll:

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PostRe: US Politics
by Squinty » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:10 pm

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Trump now says he holds Putin responsible for election interference

"I would because he's in charge of the country just like I consider myself to be responsible for things that happen in this country," Trump said. "So certainly as the leader of the country you would have to hold him responsible."

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/18/poli ... index.html

He's only blaming Putin for something that happened in his country, as if Putin wasn't aware and involved :roll:


Seen this on Resetera.

Trump :lol: :lol: :lol:

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PostRe: US Politics
by Alvin Flummux » Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:01 am

twitter.com/JohnCleese/status/1019368542947463168



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PostRe: US Politics
by Monkey Man » Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:01 am

Two weeks before his inauguration, Donald J. Trump was shown highly classified intelligence indicating that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia had personally ordered complex cyberattacks to sway the 2016 American election.

The evidence included texts and emails from Russian military officers and information gleaned from a top-secret source close to Mr. Putin, who had described to the C.I.A. how the Kremlin decided to execute its campaign of hacking and disinformation.

Mr. Trump sounded grudgingly convinced, according to several people who attended the intelligence briefing. But ever since, Mr. Trump has tried to cloud the very clear findings that he received on Jan. 6, 2017, which his own intelligence leaders have unanimously endorsed.

The shifting narrative underscores the degree to which Mr. Trump regularly picks and chooses intelligence to suit his political purposes. That has never been more clear than this week.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/worl ... ling-.html

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PostRe: US Politics
by Peter Crisp » Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:12 am

The amount of gooseberry fool that's going to emerge after he leaves office is going to be amazing.
If we have a Democrat in charge he's going to get completely strawberry floated by a tidal wave of damaging revelations and even if he somehow survives his term without being indicted he's going down when the next President decides it's fun to watch him drown in gooseberry fool of his own making.

Hopefully he'll take a large chunk of the Republican party who support him with him.

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PostRe: US Politics
by Garth » Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:18 am

Librul fake noos!

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PostRe: US Politics
by Alvin Flummux » Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:28 pm

I can't wait for congress to go blue so they can launch years upon years of inquiries. :nod: It'll be like the Benghazi furor, but justified.

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PostRe: US Politics
by Tafdolphin » Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:14 pm

Peter Crisp wrote:The amount of gooseberry fool that's going to emerge after he leaves office is going to be amazing.


I'm watching The Vietnam War at the moment and the similarities, in terms of reaction of the public and the counter reaction of the government to huge ideological divides, is stunning.

It's also great to see archive footage of Nixon publically stating something and the commentary regularly do the Arrested Development "...he didn't" thing.

There's going to be some amazing docs on this period of US history on a few decades' time (assuming there still is a US in a few decades).

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PostRe: US Politics
by Monkey Man » Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:36 pm

twitter.com/TIME/status/1019905190370119680


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PostRe: US Politics
by Harry Ola » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:18 pm

I just came to post the TIME cover. So here's a New Yorker one:

twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1019912234187874305


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PostRe: US Politics
by Corazon de Leon » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:37 pm

Tafdolphin wrote:
Peter Crisp wrote:The amount of gooseberry fool that's going to emerge after he leaves office is going to be amazing.


I'm watching The Vietnam War at the moment and the similarities, in terms of reaction of the public and the counter reaction of the government to huge ideological divides, is stunning.

It's also great to see archive footage of Nixon publically stating something and the commentary regularly do the Arrested Development "...he didn't" thing.

There's going to be some amazing docs on this period of US history on a few decades' time (assuming there still is a US in a few decades).


The Ken Burns ten-parter? I'd highly recommend that to anyone with even a passing interest in presidential history.

The main difference between the two events is that I think LBJ and even Nixon to an extent genuinely had America's best interests at heart - Trump doesn't know or care what those interests are.

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PostRe: US Politics
by Tafdolphin » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:49 pm

Corazon de Leon wrote:
Tafdolphin wrote:
Peter Crisp wrote:The amount of gooseberry fool that's going to emerge after he leaves office is going to be amazing.


I'm watching The Vietnam War at the moment and the similarities, in terms of reaction of the public and the counter reaction of the government to huge ideological divides, is stunning.

It's also great to see archive footage of Nixon publically stating something and the commentary regularly do the Arrested Development "...he didn't" thing.

There's going to be some amazing docs on this period of US history on a few decades' time (assuming there still is a US in a few decades).


The Ken Burns ten-parter? I'd highly recommend that to anyone with even a passing interest in presidential history.

The main difference between the two events is that I think LBJ and even Nixon to an extent genuinely had America's best interests at heart - Trump doesn't know or care what those interests are.


Yup, it's a remarkable piece of television.

And whilst I can sort of agree with your assessment of Johnson, at least in the early stages, Nixon is portrayed as a far more Machiavellian character, promising an end to the war whilst overseeing its continuation in order to save face. His candid remarks about the national protests were genuinely shocking to hear as well.

Anyway. A topic for another thread maybe!

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PostRe: US Politics
by Corazon de Leon » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:56 pm

I'll say only this because I agree that it's probably not the time or place to get into the subject - Nixon was less of a Machiavellian than the people he kept around him, and he certainly was more interested in personal prestige and gain than he was in the country, but he certainly did some good in his time in office.

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PostRe: US Politics
by Cuttooth » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:42 pm

twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1020042040103657473



That's the Director of National Intelligence out of the loop then. :lol:

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PostRe: US Politics
by Garth » Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:02 pm

twitter.com/MikeDelMoro/status/1020045482016608257


:roll: :roll: :roll:

Cuttooth wrote:That's the Director of National Intelligence out of the loop then. :lol:


Clip of that:

twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/1020043073923895296


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PostRe: US Politics
by Alvin Flummux » Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:20 pm

How is this happening? The Helsinki debacle is already one of the worst of Trump's presidency, how does he think it a good idea to repeat that on home turf? And right before the midterms, too.

'Mon that blue wave.

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PostRe: US Politics
by Peter Crisp » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:16 am

It's just Trumps staggering inability to see anything bad about himself and the fact he surrounds himself with toadying Yesmen.
In his mind he's just constantly winning and anyone who says otherwise just needs to get with the program and realise just how much of a stable genius Trump is.

Honestly if this was a film people would have walked out ages ago claiming it was beyond a joke and not even slightly like reality.

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PostRe: US Politics
by Alvin Flummux » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:40 am

538 graded how long the Supreme Court's left and right wing blocs will survive:

How Long Will The Supreme Court’s Conservative Bloc Survive?
By Oliver Roeder

Somewhere high up in the news stories (ours included) about President Trump’s new Supreme Court nominee, there’s often a sentence that goes like this: Brett Kavanaugh is relatively young, and his confirmation could therefore alter the makeup of the high court for decades to come.

This article is an expanded, FiveThirtyEight version of that sentence. It is, by nature, a morbid exercise.

The Founding Fathers, in their 18th-century waistcoated wisdom, decided that Supreme Court justices ought to serve for life.1 This was meant to insulate justices from certain “encroachments and oppressions” that could threaten the judiciary. But it also gives the court — and thus the laws of the land — an unpredictable flavor, one susceptible to the whims of the circulatory, respiratory and nervous systems of nine middle-age-to-quite-old people.

Supreme Court justices aren’t around forever.

Which leads to some questions. About how long can we expect each current justice — or the new nominee, Brett Kavanaugh — to get up and put on their black robe and sit in their black leather chair? And assuming that Kavanaugh is confirmed, how long can we expect the court’s new five-member conservative bloc to stay together?

I’m not a medical doctor, and this is not a medical diagnosis of the high court. Rather, it is a rough, but statistically grounded, empirical assessment written on the back of a cloth napkin. The illustrations below are based solely on mortality probabilities from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention — accounting exclusively for each justice’s gender, race and current age.2 The analysis does not take into account, for example, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s vigorous workout regimen or Kavanaugh’s fondness for spending time outdoors.

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The over-under — that is, the point where there are equal chances both before and after — on the new conservative majority cohort all staying alive is just about eight years. The over-under on the liberal minority cohort all continuing to draw breath is about five years.

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Justice Neil Gorsuch, congratulations: As the youngest Supreme Court Justice, you are expected to be with us for the longest. There is about an 11 percent chance that nearly-51-year-old Gorsuch is still alive and kicking in 2060 and a better than 50 percent chance that he gets to 2048. Set the over-under for Ginsburg — the oldest justice, at 85 — at around 2025. Kavanaugh, the 53-year-old would-be court alterer, may or may not make it past 2047, with about equal probability.

Of course, what happens next to the court should the end befall any of these justices depends entirely on timing. If there’s a death within the next couple of years, Trump will likely fill the seat with a conservative. That means that if Kavanaugh has been confirmed and a conservative is being replaced, the court’s 5-4 conservative majority will be maintained. If a liberal is being replaced, it could mean a shift further to the right for the court. If a death happens after a couple of years, the likely outcome is anyone’s guess.

Note, too, of course, that death is an upper bound on the date of a justice leaving the court. Retirement is always as option — one exercised recently by Justice Anthony Kennedy (age 81) and one rumored to be under consideration by Justice Clarence Thomas (age 70). From our point of view, retirement is even less predictable than death, and there are so few of these berobed folks that it’s hard to detect real patterns. But historically speaking, of 113 justices dating back to 1789, 18 left the court because of “advanced age” and 20 because of “declining health,” according to the work of scholar Lee Epstein and others. Fifty died in office, and only two retired “before physical or mental health could decline.”

That puts the average age at departure from the court at 69.7, which is heavily influenced by the average age at death: 73.9. Two of the current eight justices, both liberals, are older than that.


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ho ... c-survive/

Meanwhile....

twitter.com/NPR/status/1020257730211270656



Complete pandemonium if Russia interferes this way. Not only could Americans' confidence in their own democracy be shaken to its foundations, so too would that of the rest of the free and democratic world, which would benefit only tyrants like Putin, and badly set back movements and efforts to instill democracy elsewhere.

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PostRe: US Politics
by Monkey Man » Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:23 pm

twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/1020339118440632320


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