US Politics

PostRe: US Politics by **Hexx** » Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:55 pm

Meanie

PostRe: US Politics by **Jenuall** » Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:48 pm

I have the best empty spaces, just terrific empty spaces. Some of the emptiest we've ever seen from the standpoint of content.

PostRe: US Politics by **Alvin Flummux** » Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:11 am

twitter.com/TrumpsShroom/status/1042234816022798337

PostRe: US Politics by **Rightey** » Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:23 am

Peter Crisp wrote:As macho and bloviating as US gun owners are they massively overestimate how much power they have over the US government. If the US government has the support of the armed forces the gun owners are well and truly strawberry floated.
I don't care how good you are with a gun when they can send in Seal Team 6 to do night raids on the houses of local gun owners and arrest them or just go "strawberry float this gooseberry fool, it's time to get fighty!!" and just blow the gooseberry fool out of those houses with an air strike.

The claim that gun owners can protect the nation from a rogue government is laughable as the power difference between the 2 groups is akin to me going into a ring with Mike Tyson at his prime and claiming that "He's going down in 5th round!!".

Have you never heard of the US war of independence? The Vietnam war? Afghanistan or Iraq? Big armies don't guarantee victory against civilians.

PostRe: US Politics by **BID0** » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:20 am

Donald Trump urged Spain to 'build the wall' – across the Sahara

Spanish foreign minister says US president advised tactic to stem migration across the Med

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... the-sahara

Building a wall is the answer to most of life's problems

PostRe: US Politics by **Peter Crisp** » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:19 am

Rightey wrote:
Peter Crisp wrote:As macho and bloviating as US gun owners are they massively overestimate how much power they have over the US government. If the US government has the support of the armed forces the gun owners are well and truly strawberry floated.
I don't care how good you are with a gun when they can send in Seal Team 6 to do night raids on the houses of local gun owners and arrest them or just go "strawberry float this gooseberry fool, it's time to get fighty!!" and just blow the gooseberry fool out of those houses with an air strike.

The claim that gun owners can protect the nation from a rogue government is laughable as the power difference between the 2 groups is akin to me going into a ring with Mike Tyson at his prime and claiming that "He's going down in 5th round!!".

Have you never heard of the US war of independence? The Vietnam war? Afghanistan or Iraq? Big armies don't guarantee victory against civilians.

Yes, I've heard of those wars and I think you're confusing wars against enemy nations and good old fashioned crushing of your own civilian populace by the government of the country in question. The US armed forces wasn't able to use all it's power in the wars mentioned but against its own population they could use everything and they could spy with impunity and just for fun they can confiscate stuff from people they don't like for no reason at all. They could also just for back-up bring in the police and the justice system who could dish out some mob like justice as the government can just pass a bunch of laws making any form of protest illegal and gun ownership a crime.

It's why countries fall to dictatorial regimes that are brutal and seemingly so against the good fortunes of the people they're supposed to serve.

Having lots of guns won't save the US population from a government that goes insane if the forces they have available go along with them. Sure, they'l go down swinging but they will go down and once down it'll be incredibly hard to come back.

PostRe: US Politics by **Drumstick** » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:42 am

BID0 wrote:Donald Trump urged Spain to 'build the wall' – across the Sahara
Spanish foreign minister says US president advised tactic to stem migration across the Med

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/eb3a96e3 ... 6b65112ddf

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... the-sahara

Building a wall is the answer to most of life's problems

This is particularly humourous because he's backing out of building his own and urging others to build one so that he can eventually say "Look everybody, I promised a wall goddamnit and here it is!".

PostRe: US Politics by KK » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:53 am

He should at least get his own built first before lecturing other people to start building one.

PostRe: US Politics by **Jenuall** » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:57 am

Someone is going to pay for and build a wall all right, that's all that matters. Spaniards, Mexicans what's the difference amirite?

PostRe: US Politics by **Rax** » Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:25 am

In 30 years the US president has gone from urging the Russian leader to tear down a wall to building walls, potentially under the direction of the Russian leader. Has the US realised theyre now the bad guy yet?

PostRe: US Politics by **Alvin Flummux** » Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:35 am

Rightey wrote:
Peter Crisp wrote:As macho and bloviating as US gun owners are they massively overestimate how much power they have over the US government. If the US government has the support of the armed forces the gun owners are well and truly strawberry floated.
I don't care how good you are with a gun when they can send in Seal Team 6 to do night raids on the houses of local gun owners and arrest them or just go "strawberry float this gooseberry fool, it's time to get fighty!!" and just blow the gooseberry fool out of those houses with an air strike.

The claim that gun owners can protect the nation from a rogue government is laughable as the power difference between the 2 groups is akin to me going into a ring with Mike Tyson at his prime and claiming that "He's going down in 5th round!!".

Have you never heard of the US war of independence? The Vietnam war? Afghanistan or Iraq? Big armies don't guarantee victory against civilians.

The nascent US' in its War of Independence was helped out by the fact that it took news and fresh troops many months to cross the Atlantic (compare to how the Union's superior transportation and communication infrastructures gave it an advantage over the Confederacy, 86 years later), and the help of the French, eager to pay England back for the Seven Years War/French & Indian War. Without France, Cornwallis escapes from Yorktown, regroups at New York, and the war continues.

Today, the US military can't be beaten by any ragtag group of militiamen (let's see poor old Billy Bob fend off airstrikes and drone strikes, tanks and the US regular armies with his AR-15), but those militiamen can do what the Taliban, Vietcong and others (including early American soldiers) have long done - embed in the population across a vast area and wage a grueling, nasty guerrilla war over many years. They aren't going to "win" unless a large enough faction of the US military defects to their side, though.

Jenuall wrote:Someone is going to pay for and build a wall all right, that's all that matters. Spaniards, Mexicans what's the difference amirite?

Mexicans came from Spain, he's just going to the source!

PostRe: US Politics by **Garth** » Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:09 pm

Michael Cohen spoke to Mueller team for hours; asked about Russia, possible collusion, pardon: Sources

President Donald Trump’s former personal attorney, Michael Cohen, has participated over the last month in multiple interview sessions lasting for hours with investigators from the office of special counsel, Robert Mueller, sources tell ABC News.

The special counsel’s questioning of Cohen, one of the president’s closest associates over the past decade, has focused primarily on all aspects of Trump's dealings with Russia -- including financial and business dealings and the investigation into alleged collusion with Russia by the Trump campaign and its surrogates to influence the outcome of the 2016 presidential election, sources familiar with the matter tell ABC News.

Investigators were also interested in knowing, the sources say, whether Trump or any of his associates discussed the possibility of a pardon with Cohen.

Over the 16 months that Mueller has been investigating, the president has repeatedly bashed the investigation as a partisan witch hunt, insisting there has been no collusion and no obstruction of justice.

The interviews with Cohen took place in Washington, D.C., and New York City. They were also attended in part by prosecutors from the U.S. Attorney’s Office in the Southern District of New York.

Cohen’s participation in the meetings has been voluntary -- without any guarantee of leniency from prosecutors, according to several people familiar with the situation.

ABC News has also learned that Cohen is also cooperating with a separate probe by New York state authorities into the inner workings of the Trump family charity and the Trump Organization, where Cohen served as an executive vice president and special counsel to Trump for 10 years.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/michael ... d=57959664

:nod:

PostRe: US Politics by **Alvin Flummux** » Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:11 pm

Cohen's clearly on the side of truth and justice, now. :datass:

Which isn't to say he should be trusted any farther than he can be thrown, but still, it's a good sign.

PostRe: US Politics by **Harry Ola** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:02 pm

So it could all be about to kick off....

twitter.com/PhilipRucker/status/1043198665685454849

People are suggesting NYTimes been played by Trump so he can fire Rosenstein.

PostRe: US Politics by **speedboatchase** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:44 pm

Harry Ola wrote:
People are suggesting NYTimes been played by Trump so he can fire Rosenstein.

Washington Post say there are memos written by the-then acting FBI director that confirm this.

PostRe: US Politics by **Alvin Flummux** » Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:54 pm

That confirm the NYT is being played, or that the info is legit?

PostRe: US Politics by **Harry Ola** » Sat Sep 22, 2018 7:21 am

It's all very confused, but this seems to be where we are:

The story seems to rely heavily on McCabe memos. This is suspicious because these are some of the docs that Trump wants declassified.

Those who were in the room seem to be confirming that Rosenstein did say something, but he was being sarcastic.

Difficult to see who else benefits from this story other than Trump, hence why people are very suspicious of NYTimes role in this.

All that said, this was quite a surprising development last night:

twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1043319005686255616

PostRe: US Politics by **Saint of Killers** » Sat Sep 22, 2018 7:52 am

This is definitely the most confusing timeline :lol:

PostRe: US Politics by **BID0** » Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:20 pm

twitter.com/jstein_wapo/status/1042394554996011013

A world where it’s only Conservatives voting against increased military spending :slol:

it’s like the dems have no interest in being elected

PostRe: US Politics by **Peter Crisp** » Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:40 pm

The whole attitude of Americans about the military is baffling.
I think they honestly feel the rest of the world is constantly on the verge of invading the US to nick all their stuff as obviously we're all super jealous of them. They think they need the ability to fight 2 separate wars in two places at all times for no obvious reason and are completely stunned when Europeans have the attitude that being able to defend the nation and maybe launch an aggressive war only when absolutely needed is fine.

Americans moan about the government costing so much and then think nothing of giving the government enough money to build more aircraft carriers than the rest of the world combined.

They also see pretty much any discussion about how the military can save money and still remain effective as somehow unAmerican and that you obviously hate the USA and want them to be crushed.

They could save a crapload of cash by slashing the nuclear stockpile to just the point where they can glass only half the planet (the rubbish half obviously) and maybe a carrier group or 2 and still have enough to rule the waves but no, that's completely unacceptable and I must be a liberal pansy for considering it.

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