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by Cheeky Devlin » Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:15 pm

What the strawberry float is happening in the world?

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PostRe: US Politics - Migrant kids forcibly separated from parents and placed in detention camp cages
by Moggy » Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:16 pm

When you are locking children up in cages, it’s probably best to not be on a Human Rights Council.

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PostRe: US Politics - Migrant kids forcibly separated from parents and placed in detention camp cages
by Garth » Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:23 pm

Remember when people said "both sides" were the same? :simper:

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PostRe: US Politics - Migrant kids forcibly separated from parents and placed in detention camp cages
by Jam-Master Jay » Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:50 pm

Hard to watch those videos of kids locked up like that. :dread:

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PostRe: US Politics - Migrant kids forcibly separated from parents and placed in detention camp cages
by KK » Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:18 pm

Impactful and worthy video that didn’t need the schmaltzy music added to it. Some things tell their own story on their own merits without the viewer needing to be directed into ‘well, this is sad, isn’t it...’. Yeah, we know. We can see it with our own eyes and ears. We’re watching real life, not a TV drama.

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PostRe: US Politics - Migrant kids forcibly separated from parents and placed in detention camp cages
by Squinty » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:19 pm

The people actually defending this gooseberry fool.

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by Ironhide » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:25 pm

I can't even begin to describe how strawberry floating appalled I am by this.

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by Cheeky Devlin » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:38 pm

Ironhide wrote:I can't even begin to describe how strawberry floating appalled I am by this.

Me too.

I take some pride in being generally un-offendable, not to mention being generally cynical and apathetic about so much in the world these days.

But I watched that video and I'm strawberry floating angry.

This is a nation's shame we're seeing right now and I don't give two strawberry floating hoots if it's an extension of a policy originally enacted by Obama, or if Trump himself was down there locking the cages. It's abhorrent and utterly disgusting and it's the kind of behaviour I'd expect out of some third-world dictator infested gooseberry fool nest, not the supposed "leaders of the free world".

If you're American, or live in America and you aren't doing EVERYTHING you can to make it clear to your leaders that this is not acceptable then you are complicit by act of indifference. If you actively support or defend this evil then I don't have the words strong enough to describe how everything you are repulses me to my very core.

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PostRe: US Politics - Migrant kids forcibly separated from parents and placed in detention camp cages
by KK » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:58 pm

twitter.com/danney_williams/status/1009056067958042624


twitter.com/danney_williams/status/1008519330496237568



Is Springer still on?

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by Garth » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:08 pm

Trump’s cruel policy leaves him more isolated than ever

More Republicans and Republican-aligned group are abandoning the Trump administration’s family-separation policy. Whether the president will change his mind is another matter, but for many Americans he has gone too far.

Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio), who has rarely broken with the White House, put out a statement Tuesday. “I oppose the Trump administration’s policy of separating children from their parents. This is counter to our values, Portman said. “We can have strong border security without separating families at the border. They can be kept together and dealt with as a family unit.” He repudiated the notion that only Congress can fix this. (“The administration should change course immediately and use its executive authority to keep families together and expedite their cases. If those changes aren’t made, Congress should act quickly on a legislative solution to fix this problem. I’m working with my colleagues to develop a compassionate solution that upholds our immigration laws and keeps families together while their cases are being processed.”) I’d suggest Congress speed up its alternative, because Trump is digging in.

Sens. John Neely Kennedy (R-La.) and Patrick J. Toomey (R-Pa.) joined in the chorus of criticism. Even conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt, a dogged supporter of the president, hasn’t got the stomach to run interference on this one. He warned that the policy could become “the Republicans’ new Katrina and the president’s new Katrina.” (Unfortunately, Hewitt’s recent guest Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.), a father of two, remains a maniacal partisan, showing no empathy and pretending Trump’s hands are tied.)

Most surprising may have been the criticism (albeit without mention of Trump) from an evangelical Christian apologist for the president: Franklin Graham. “It’s disgraceful, and it’s terrible to see families ripped apart, and I don’t support that one bit,” he said. Now even the Faith and Freedom Coalition, one of Trump’s loudest cheerleaders, has weighed in ever so gently: “The separation of families illegally crossing the border is heartbreaking and tragic, part of the larger tragedy of a broken immigration system that does not reflect our values or our faith. We urge Congress to act now to end the separation of children from parents at the border, reunite families legally entering the country, and secure the border.”

Business leaders, already upset with Trump over tariffs, have also spoken out. The Business Roundtable put out a statement that “urges the Administration to end immediately the policy of separating accompanied minors from their parents. This practice is cruel and contrary to American values.” The group also backed a legislative fix for the “dreamers,” undocumented immigrants who were brought into the country as children.

The American Bar Association, which avoids political issues whenever possible, blasted the policy as well. In a letter to Attorney General Jeff Sessions, the ABA’s president flatly rebuked his claim that the law requires the administration to carry out this policy, and declared, “The systemic practice of separating parents and children is antithetical to our values as a country, appears to violate longstanding precedent protecting rights to family integrity, burdens the federal criminal justice and immigration adjudication systems, and increases costs to the government. We urge you to rescind the ‘zero tolerance’ policy and refrain from criminally prosecuting those who are seeking asylum in the United States.”

Finally, a bipartisan group of 75 former U.S. attorneys also vilified the policy. They explain this is a departure from the policy of previous administrations:
The Department of Justice has [before now] worked to ensure that families apprehended while attempting to enter the country illegally are treated with compassion, are detained together whenever possible, receive expedited deportation, are allowed to remain together pending an asylum determination, and are always reunited. Now, under your policy, because children cannot accompany their arrested parents to an adult criminal detention center, these children, apparently including infants and toddlers, are routinely separated from their parents. Under the auspices of the Department of Health and Human Services, the parent-less children — who often do not speak English — are transferred to and detained at a tent city, a refashioned Wal-Mart, or other detention facilities in cities like Chicago, thousands of miles away from their parents.

The law does not require the systematic separation of families under these circumstances. Collectively, as former United States Attorneys, we have prosecuted tens of thousands of cases involving far more serious crimes than misdemeanor illegal entry offenses. And even in those far more serious cases, decisions involving the separation of children from their parents were made with extraordinary caution, and only after an evaluation of the specific circumstances of a particular case. Today, by contrast, your Zero Tolerance policy has produced a tragic and unsustainable result, without taking into account each family’s specific circumstances. Under your policy, families and children are greeted with unexpected cruelty at the doorstep of the United States, instead of with relief or asylum in the greatest country in the world. Until now, no Republican or Democratic administration, nor any prior Attorney General, has endangered children in order to deter illegal entry.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ri ... pns&wpmm=1

Jeff Sessions Charged With ‘child Abuse’ by United Methodist Church After Implementing Child Separation Policy:
http://www.newsweek.com/united-methodis ... ren-984006

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PostRe: US Politics - Migrant kids forcibly separated from parents and placed in detention camp cages
by Moggy » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:22 pm

KK wrote:

twitter.com/danney_williams/status/1009056067958042624


twitter.com/danney_williams/status/1008519330496237568



Is Springer still on?


Unless Clinton locked him in a cage, how is that in any way relevant?

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PostRe: US Politics - Migrant kids forcibly separated from parents and placed in detention camp cages
by Jenuall » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:22 am

Just written to my MP to ask why the strawberry float the government is not doing anything about this situation - why the hell are we not condemning this? Why are we not uniting with other civilised nations to put utmost pressure on the US to change their policy on this? Doubt I'll get anything of value in response.

How anyone can watch those videos and not see this as utterly barbaric and inhuman is beyond me. We would be angry to see this kind of treatment in a third world country or a dictatorship, for it to be happening in an apparently civilised nation, the "leaders of the free world", and for nobody to be coming down on it, is utterly shameful and incomprehensible.

Every time I think the US has no further to fall they surprise me.

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PostRe: US Politics - Migrant kids forcibly separated from parents and placed in detention camp cages
by Monkey Man » Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:27 am

twitter.com/passantino/status/1009220051172495361


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PostRe: US Politics - Migrant kids forcibly separated from parents and placed in detention camp cages
by Grumpy David » Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:31 am

That's going to go down well on twitter.

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PostRe: US Politics - Migrant kids forcibly separated from parents and placed in detention camp cages
by DML » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:23 am

Trump is a Nazi. Simple as.

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PostRe: US Politics - Migrant kids forcibly separated from parents and placed in detention camp cages
by massimo » Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:12 am

Monkey Man wrote:

twitter.com/passantino/status/1009220051172495361



I can’t believe what I’ve just seen. :dread:
Vile, absolutely vile.

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PostRe: US Politics - Migrant kids forcibly separated from parents and placed in detention camp cages
by Squinty » Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:30 am

I strawberry floating hate all these banana splits who are all 'it's the immigrants fault!'

It doesn't matter whether it is or not. The decision was made by the US to keep kids locked in cages. That is the issue here.

banana splits, banana splits everywhere.

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PostRe: US Politics - Migrant kids forcibly separated from parents and placed in detention camp cages
by Moggy » Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:50 am

twitter.com/flotus/status/1009222291887218693



Yeah that’s right Melania, your husband loves helping Spanish speaking children....

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by Tafdolphin » Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:59 am

twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1009264315898032128



Rachel Maddow broke down last night after being handed a breaking story confirming the Trump administration was actively incarcerating babies in 'tender age' centres.

What is there left to say? This is utterly barbaric.

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PostRe: US Politics - Migrant kids forcibly separated from parents and placed in detention camp cages
by Moggy » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:05 am

Tafdolphin wrote:

twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1009264315898032128



Rachel Maddow broke down last night after being handed a breaking story confirming the Trump administration was actively incarcerating babies in 'tender age' centres.

What is there left to say? This is utterly barbaric.


I keep seeing comparisons to the Nazis and I can’t help thinking that it could never happen again, and certainly couldn’t ever happen in America.

And then you hear about children being caged and babies taken away from their parents. All while the President is pissing off his closest allies and cosying up to a North Korean dictator.

Scary times.


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