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by lex-man » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:54 pm

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lex-man wrote:It's going to be an interesting couple of months.


When will be the moment that we will be thrown a bone? History just cannot continue to give one group of people and another group absolutely no good news. Some point thats all going to change and flip, but I think its going to take time.


You'd think the mid-term would be the point when things turned around but I'm not so sure.

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by Alvin Flummux » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:22 am

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Alvin Flummux wrote:It's times like these that I wish the fictional Assassin Order were real. :( :x

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They did all that they reasonably could, under the circumstances, and let's face it, Hillary was always going to be on the ballot in '16, and she was always going to be the nominee. Sanders ran a great campaign but she had a built-in advantage from the get go. If she had won the election proper, the Senate would be facing a red wave that'd lock the Democrats out of the majority there for a generation or more, and the House would look similarly dire - leaving no hope for the upcoming redistricting processes to permit a righting of past wrongs. It'd be a lame duck first term, and you can bet she'd have a horrible time picking new SCOTUS justices that would appeal to anyone - McConnell even threatened to leave seats on the bench empty for 8 years, if I recall.

If they can flip the house, expect the Dems to launch a fuckton of investigations, including ones into Kavanaugh, Trump's taxes, immigration and more.

Everything hinges on the midterms at this point.


Quite honestly, I think Brexit being cancelled is more likely than the house being flipped. Too many people being fed incedibly evil and stong propaganda. The USA is some parts is becoming N.Korea-esque. Dirty liberals are apparently the enemy.


The House is actually looking likely to flip - the odds are way better than even, though we have yet to see what impact Kavanaugh's confirmation will have on enthusiasm in either camp. The senate is tough for the Democrats this year, a good result there would be the status quo being maintained; maybe they win one from the GOP and lose one to them elsewhere.

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PostRe: US Politics
by Corazon de Leon » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:53 am

DML wrote:
lex-man wrote:It's going to be an interesting couple of months.


When will be the moment that we will be thrown a bone? History just cannot continue to give one group of people and another group absolutely no good news. Some point thats all going to change and flip, but I think its going to take time.


Traditionally in times of hardship extremist views take hold - it happened during and after the depression with Roosevelt's hardline, almost fascist lock on the presidency, and it happened again after the turmoil of the 1970s and during the boom and bust period of the 1980s with Reagan taking over and keeping hold of the presidency in 1980 and 1984. The equivalent here is the Tory governments of the 1980s and this past seven or eight years, which both came in after extended periods of economic upheaval.

the US has seen ten years of tough economic climates and recession that's as bad as anything that's happened since the great depression as far as I can see. It's going to take some time to see them get out of the current wave of right wing populism, and frighteningly enough I'm not sure we've seen the worst of it yet. Trump's ascension and the two years of absolute political mayhem that have followed have divided the country worse than I've seen it in my lifetime. It's probably the worst it's been since the late 1960s.

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PostRe: US Politics
by Alvin Flummux » Sun Oct 07, 2018 1:35 am

Corazon de Leon wrote:I'm not sure we've seen the worst of it yet.




:dread:

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PostRe: US Politics
by Preezy » Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:59 pm

Hahaha America is such a gooseberry fool hole. It's going to get far worse before it gets any better, strap in everyone, yahooooo!

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by Meep » Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:09 pm

The Republican project to stack the judiciary as well as rampant gerrymandering and vote meddling is extremely dangerous. It threatens the Union itself if it is being dominated and controlled by a minority interest as it risks fermenting a secessionist streak in more liberal states.

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by Peter Crisp » Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:50 pm

Meep wrote:The Republican project to stack the judiciary as well as rampant gerrymandering and vote meddling is extremely dangerous. It threatens the Union itself if it is being dominated and controlled by a minority interest as it risks fermenting a secessionist streak in more liberal states.


I think a large part of the problem is that US republicans and conservatives see anything even slightly liberal as unAmerican and they will claim liberalism is a mental illness.
There's no room for compromise or respect for the opposition and it just makes US politics completely toxic.

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PostRe: US Politics
by Rocsteady » Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:54 pm

I think the republicans will do surprisingly well this November. Possibly my Sunday sadness talking.

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by KK » Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:55 pm

For those who want more judge-based shenanigans, I recommend watching Last Chance Lawyer that was on BBC2 tonight. Brilliant documentary series looking at an eccentric New York lawyer. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0bnb9h8

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PostRe: US Politics
by captain red dog » Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:47 am

If the Dems fail in the midterms, they really need to do a full ground up autopsy of why they are failing. It's inconceivable to be up against such a controversial president and party and continually fail. I don't think it helps that they don't seem to know where they stand. Are they centrist, or soft left, or hard left. They seem to flirt with all three positions and it gives the impression that they don't stand for anything.

It feels like they are just waiting for each election cycle at this point, rather than growing something ready for the challenge.

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by Photek » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:34 am

Preezy wrote:Hahaha America is such a gooseberry fool hole. It's going to get far worse before it gets any better, strap in everyone, yahooooo!

I really hate posts like this, especially being married to an American. It's political system is awful but please refrain from calling the entire nation a gooseberry fool hole. Minnesota is a democratic state, not much they can about republican pricks.

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PostRe: US Politics
by Drumstick » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:40 am

Many of its policies (mostly recent) are third-world-esque. You couldn't pay me to go there at the moment.

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by Preezy » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:43 am

Photek wrote:
Preezy wrote:Hahaha America is such a gooseberry fool hole. It's going to get far worse before it gets any better, strap in everyone, yahooooo!

I really hate posts like this, especially being married to an American. It's political system is awful but please refrain from calling the entire nation a gooseberry fool hole. Minnesota is a democratic state, not much they can about republican pricks.

Ok ok, jeez sorry.

80% of the nation is a gooseberry fool hole.

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PostRe: US Politics
by Photek » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:49 am

80% of the UK is a gooseberry fool hole also.

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by Moggy » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:49 am

Photek wrote:
Preezy wrote:Hahaha America is such a gooseberry fool hole. It's going to get far worse before it gets any better, strap in everyone, yahooooo!

I really hate posts like this, especially being married to an American. It's political system is awful but please refrain from calling the entire nation a gooseberry fool hole. Minnesota is a democratic state, not much they can about republican pricks.


I don’t know how you can say that after what took place in Minnesota in 1987. :dread:

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PostRe: US Politics
by Photek » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:50 am

:lol:

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PostRe: US Politics
by Preezy » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:52 am

Photek wrote:80% of the UK is a gooseberry fool hole also.

You won't find me disagreeing with you there.

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PostRe: US Politics
by Moggy » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:53 am

Preezy wrote:
Photek wrote:80% of the UK is a gooseberry fool hole also.

You won't find me disagreeing with you there.


It’s more like 52%.

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by BID0 » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:54 am

Photek wrote:
Preezy wrote:Hahaha America is such a gooseberry fool hole. It's going to get far worse before it gets any better, strap in everyone, yahooooo!

I really hate posts like this, especially being married to an American. It's political system is awful but please refrain from calling the entire nation a gooseberry fool hole. Minnesota is a democratic state, not much they can about republican pricks.

He said America, not Americans.

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by Photek » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:57 am

Preezy wrote:
Photek wrote:80% of the UK is a gooseberry fool hole also.

You won't find me disagreeing with you there.

You should though, apart from waiting for a train at Manchester Airport (to Liverpool) and seeing lots of prostitutes in the streets below the rest of the UK I've seen is pretty nice and if Forza Horizon 4 is anything to go by, it's pristine!

There's an Sainsburys just over the border (we don't have them in ROI) and despite the scenery around being nice, the shop itself inside and out is an utter shithole, left quite a bad impression of Sainsbury's for us, driving a Dublin Reg car in area with red white and blue kerbs and british flags everywhere was also un-nerving.

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