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Re: US Politics - US Leaves UN Human Rights Council

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:09 am
by Tafdolphin
Also, this

twitter.com/astroehlein/status/1009333313104904192



That's some quality company there.

Re: US Politics - US Leaves UN Human Rights Council

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:44 am
by Squinty
So is it actually confirmed that they are doing this? Because if so, wow. Do they have an equivalent?

Re: US Politics - US Leaves UN Human Rights Council

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:15 am
by KK
I'm sure Bush 2 pulled out of this or something similar as well.

Re: US Politics - US Leaves UN Human Rights Council

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:35 am
by Alvin Flummux
It's a pretty regular occurrence, is it not? Democrats join it, Republicans leave it.

Re: US Politics - US Leaves UN Human Rights Council

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:40 am
by Moggy
Alvin Flummux wrote:It's a pretty regular occurrence, is it not? Democrats join it, Republicans leave it.


Sort of.

It was founded in 2006, Bush decided not to seek a seat on the council. Obama then joined it. And now Trump has taken them out of it.

Re: US Politics - US Leaves UN Human Rights Council

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:05 am
by Photek
Poor man exacerbated with what's happening in the world and with these detention centers for children in tears on James O'Brien. I feel his pain, but I believe that this will all be over turned some day, I have to.

Re: US Politics - US Leaves UN Human Rights Council

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:05 pm
by Dual
He's signed an Executive Order to keep families together :wub:

The best President.

Re: US Politics - US Leaves UN Human Rights Council

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:35 pm
by floydfreak

Re: US Politics - US Leaves UN Human Rights Council

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:07 pm
by TigaSefi
How has America got to this stage in 200-odd years... What a clusterfuck of a country. Slightly ironic Trump hasn't been offed for being evil yet lots of "good" presidents have died for less.

Re: US Politics - US Leaves UN Human Rights Council

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:56 am
by Rightey
Moggy wrote:
Alvin Flummux wrote:It's a pretty regular occurrence, is it not? Democrats join it, Republicans leave it.


Sort of.

It was founded in 2006, Bush decided not to seek a seat on the council. Obama then joined it. And now Trump has taken them out of it.


I thought they pulled out because of criticism about Israel.

Re: US Politics - US Leaves UN Human Rights Council

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:39 am
by Peter Crisp
Many Americans also have this odd idea that any international body is obviously Anti-American and can't be considered to be fair.
They also don't like the idea of Americans being subject to a higher international court for the same reason even though those same people will then look at other countries doing stuff they don't like and want that same court they just slammed to take action.

It's why the UN has such low approval ratings in the US as they think that because it doesn't always do exactly what they want it to it makes it hostile towards the US and they have this odd idea that because the UN HQ is in the US and they pay more (I don't think they realise that whatever country hosts it will have to spend money but the influx of foreign leaders and staff will also bring in money) into UN funding (which nobody forces them to do) they should call all the shot forgetting that it's a coming together of world leaders.

Americans seem to want all the power of the Roman Empire without actually bothering to conquer the rest of the world first.

Re: US Politics - US Leaves UN Human Rights Council

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:21 am
by Rightey
To be fair, the US pays for a whopping 22% of the UN budget, and they are asked to pay that as the amount each nation should pay is calculated based on GDP...

https://factly.in/united-nations-budget ... countries/

I think the mistrust of the average American towards the UN is just an extension of the mistrust of their own government, which I feel is somewhat well founded given all the gooseberry fool that the US government has done to its own citizens over the years, as well as those from other countries.

Re: US Politics - US Leaves UN Human Rights Council

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:46 am
by Squinty
Dual wrote:He's signed an Executive Order to keep families together :wub:

The best President.


The video of him signing that is hilarious. They must have said 'This has been going for years, Obama administration' about 10 times. Gotta influence those sheep.

Re: US Politics - US Leaves UN Human Rights Council

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:48 am
by Grumpy David
http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-threw-starburst-candies-angela-merkel-dont-say-i-never-give-you-987178

Donald Trump threw Starbursts at Angela Merkel, saying "don't say I never give you anything"

:slol:

Re: US Politics - US Leaves UN Human Rights Council

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:00 am
by Harry Ola

twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1009569400763150336



twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1009621110411931648


Re: US Politics - US Leaves UN Human Rights Council

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:07 am
by Harry Ola

twitter.com/repjohnlewis/status/1009549648997044224



Basically, yesterday just changes the problem. There's a law that says children with families seeking entry to US cannot be held for more than 20 days. It often takes more than 20 days to process them.

Re: US Politics - Migrant kids forcibly separated from parents and placed in detention camp cages

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:32 am
by Green Gecko
KK wrote:Impactful and worthy video that didn’t need the schmaltzy music added to it. Some things tell their own story on their own merits without the viewer needing to be directed into ‘well, this is sad, isn’t it...’. Yeah, we know. We can see it with our own eyes and ears. We’re watching real life, not a TV drama.

Yeah, I has to pause and scrub through it because I found the music emotionally offensive. It's not strawberry floating theatre, it's clear how wrong this is.

Re: US Politics - US Leaves UN Human Rights Council

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:49 am
by Alvin Flummux
Grumpy David wrote:http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-threw-starburst-candies-angela-merkel-dont-say-i-never-give-you-987178

Donald Trump threw Starbursts at Angela Merkel, saying "don't say I never give you anything"

:slol:


:lol: What a child.

Re: US Politics - US Leaves UN Human Rights Council

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:02 am
by Moggy
Harry Ola wrote:

twitter.com/repjohnlewis/status/1009549648997044224



Stick to retail stores and schmaltzy Christmas adverts John. :x

Re: US Politics - US Leaves UN Human Rights Council

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:17 am
by Tafdolphin
https://www.texasmonthly.com/news/whats ... separated/

There is no one process. Judging from the mothers and fathers I’ve spoken to and those my staff has spoken to, there are several different processes. Sometimes they will tell the parent, “We’re taking your child away.” And when the parent asks, “When will we get them back?” they say, “We can’t tell you that.” Sometimes the officers will say, “because you’re going to be prosecuted” or “because you’re not welcome in this country” or “because we’re separating them,” without giving them a clear justification. In other cases, we see no communication that the parent knows that their child is to be taken away. Instead, the officers say, “I’m going to take your child to get bathed.” That’s one we see again and again. “Your child needs to come with me for a bath.” The child goes off, and in a half an hour, twenty minutes, the parent inquires, “Where is my five-year-old?” “Where’s my seven-year-old?” “This is a long bath.” And they say, “You won’t be seeing your child again.

Sometimes mothers—I was talking to one mother, and she said, “Don’t take my child away,” and the child started screaming and vomiting and crying hysterically, and she asked the officers, “Can I at least have five minutes to console her?” They said no. In another case, the father said, “Can I comfort my child? Can I hold him for a few minutes?” The officer said, “You must let them go, and if you don’t let them go, I will write you up for an altercation, which will mean that you are the one that had the additional charges charged against you.” So, threats. So the father just let the child go. So it’s a lot of variations. But sometimes deceit and sometimes direct, just “I’m taking your child away.”