Karl wrote:I'm sorry, I shouldn't have snapped at you -- it's just that, as you said, this thread has been long and incredibly frustrating.
I don't think Cal or NickSCFC are 'racist' in the sense of being mean to Muslims they meet in real life, but their views are pretty irrational and sometimes really do make for genuinely unsettling reading: NickSCFC has proposed a course of action tantamount to genocide; Cal seems to genuinely believe that the typical Muslim can't function in or integrate with Western society, which is a logical stone's throw away from EDL-level "Islamics go home!" rhetoric. I'm not saying they actually want genocide or support the EDL, but their opinions are a slippery slope with those things at the bottom.
That would be OK - Of course it's OK to have views that aren't entirely self-consistent, or to not have all the solutions to a complex problem! - if they would chat about it like normal people and take onboard the good arguments and evidence-based reasoning presented in the thread. But since, time and time again, they've shown they aren't interested in things like learning or facts, believing, for example - as Cal really does - that the act of requesting citations in support of opinions is a leftist conspiracy to shut down debate, I've stopped holding out much hope for having a real discussion with either of them and nowadays I just like to point out how they're wrong as succinctly as possible, "cast some shade" at them (as the kids are saying nowadays), and then move on with my day.
But that's the thing, Karl, that I take issue with. I do supply quotes, sources, links. I do all of that. It comes back to that same old problem: the only links, sources and quotes being of any currency around here are those that chime with the political prejudices of the majority here - all else (especially right wing opinion) is anathema.
Karl wrote:I know it's a bit petty, and I've received a few messages asking me why I don't just stop or ignore them or whatever. Honestly it just feels like a capitulation to have this kind of nonsense on the board left unanswered, and I'm not sure what impression it would give potential newbies if they were allowed to keep what would amount to a Breitbart-inspired blog across various current affairs threads with nary a comment or rebuttal in sight.
Contrast all this with Captain Red Dog and Death's Head, who don't necessarily appear to have the standard-issue lefty-liberal view on the subject, but talk about it like the well-adjusted adults they are. I've enjoyed reading their posts in this thread even though we don't 100% align in viewpoint.
'Well-adjusted adults'. That's interesting. Because I stray too far across your permissible line of opinion I'm not 'well-adjusted', just a troll who should be shot down on sight? Some political points-of-view, having been more cautiously worded, are more valid than others?
Patronising. And people wonder why I get annoyed with the liberal bias around here. The whole tone of your reply is dripping with a very familiar sneering disregard for genuinely valid oppositional opinion.