> Videogaming

There's a lot of anger in the world of videogaming. Anger for formats, anger for opinions, anger for pricing, anger for DLC, anger for other gamers... there really is a lot of it.

Recently there has been plenty of talk about this anger, covering aspects of hate, harassment, and sexism. Here in GRcade we sometimes share our views on darker aspects of the industry.

A lot of this anger may well be justified. But, because of this, it's so nice when something crops up that just feels good. Something like this:



[Thanks to Chris Scullion at CVG for sharing the video]

Games are bad. Devs are liars. Publishers will nickel and dime you dry. Journalists are shills, untrustworthy, have no backbone or integrity. 'Gamers' are arseholes.

You're welcome.

[iup=3554423]Falsey[/iup] wrote:Games are bad. Devs are liars. Publishers will nickel and dime you dry. Journalists are shills, untrustworthy, have no backbone or integrity. 'Gamers' are arseholes.

You're welcome.

Not all games are bad, not all devs are liars. The other things I'll agree with.

That video makes me want to vomit.

This seems to be the full swing of games becoming an accepted social norm. Now they are susceptible to even more criticism because they are not so easily marginalised into particular archetypes. The dirge of celebrity culture surrounding film and TV stars is normal now; the geek chic is going to wear off eventually and we already have video game rock stars out there. It's a bit odd how journalists themselves get so much attention though, it's like in-warring with the public scrapping at the sides with some pretty horrendous "cyber" harassment. Imo some of these journalists have huge egos, maybe this has something to do with blogging, youtube and podcasts etc, and the made up characters that involves. In film I can think only of Roger Ebert who was a pioneer of blogging at the time.

Games writing confuses me, because it's a dying industry, getting eaten by official blogs, Youtube and Twitch. Why games writers have decided to publicly hate on their audience, as they have done semi-regularly over the last few years, is completely beyond me.

There's definitely a social vigilante thing happening. The Internet draws publicity towards that kind of behaviour but surely it exists in other fan bases. Is there no misogyny in football for example? I don't know, just pulling that put of my ass. Can't really make a judgment as I don't follow any other industries. Women feature much more heavily in film, for example, so it does sort of make sense for this inequality stuff to come out at some point. Just not in this weird, cannibalistic way.

[iup=3554493]Zerudaaaaa![/iup] wrote:That video makes me want to vomit.

You have no soul!

Gaming is just like any other entertainment based hobby/pastime in that there are vocal fans and critics who feel their opinions are correct and as such will anger and frustrate those who disagree.

The Film and Music industries are even worse.

[iup=3554537]Rubix[/iup] wrote:

[iup=3554493]Zerudaaaaa![/iup] wrote:That video makes me want to vomit.

You have no soul!

he must be ginger

[iup=3554493]Zerudaaaaa![/iup] wrote:That video makes me want to vomit.

My sentiments exactly. I suspect that the favourable response from some is down to the fact the girl is attractive, which makes all those who like it boorish misogynists.

[iup=3554415]jawafour[/iup] wrote:
[Thanks to Chris Scullion at CVG for sharing the video]

It's unusual to namecheck like this. Do you know that individual, work with that individual, are that individual or have any connection to him, CVG or Future? I'm just wondering if we should have a rule like the Police force do where all Freemasons must declare themselves and allegiances to prevent them misdirecting the public with hidden interest.

I agree that there is far too much negativity but... I'm sorry; that video is just insipid.

I don't see anything wrong with the video in the opening post as i enjoy games.
I think the people moaning should maybe take a long hard look at themselves and decide if gaming is for them any more if a simple positive mesage about the hobby we are supposed ro all be here for makes them post negativity.

I dont need to take a long hard look. I can determine instantly that 'gaming' is not for me anymore.

Gaming on the whole is a cancer. Its a state, gooseberry fool piled on top of gooseberry fool.

There are a few gems buried beneath the tides of effluent, but they are so few and far between that its nowhere near enough to redeem the hobby.

[iup=3554884]Peter Crisp[/iup] wrote:I think the people moaning should maybe take a long hard look at themselves and decide if gaming is for them any more.

You can love gaming and not like the video!
It's just a cynical post to stealth promote CVG.

[iup=3554906]Falsey[/iup] wrote:I dont need to take a long hard look. I can determine instantly that 'gaming' is not for me anymore.

Gaming on the whole is a cancer. Its a state, gooseberry fool piled on top of gooseberry fool.

There are a few gems buried beneath the tides of effluent, but they are so few and far between that its nowhere near enough to redeem the hobby.

perhaps you read to much crappy news and all the fanboy bullshit that goes around, you never use to get this kind of stuff in the late eighties and 90's until the internet got a lot more popular and also gaming. I pretty much ignore all that stuff as i play games to just enjoy gaming. If i see an argument on here regarding textures or xbox is better than playstation is better i just bypass it. Yes that stuff happened in school wth who's better Nintendo or Sega but it was school ground rubbish

(By the way it was Nintendo )

Falsey in classic controversialist mode! It's good that you've found a few gems hidden amongst the dark depths of dung.

Venom, I thought your earlier post was banter... do you genuinely think I work for Future? . I could've just as easily linked to the story via NintendoLife.... but then I guess I'd be a stealth Nintendo activist.

Surely you guys can remember being younger and getting a game that you'd really been looking forward to? Hold onto that feeling and enjoy it!

[iup=3554884]Peter Crisp[/iup] wrote:I don't see anything wrong with the video in the opening post as i enjoy games.
I think the people moaning should maybe take a long hard look at themselves and decide if gaming is for them any more if a simple positive mesage about the hobby we are supposed ro all be here for makes them post negativity.

To me that video is the gaming version of Keep Calm and Carry On - soft tyranny or "cupcake facism" that, through the plinky music and mostly using old games lulls you into compliance and with some sacharine, streamlined and infantile nostalgia.

It is possible to like something and be critical of it - which seems to be a heretical position to take in the face of absolute, binary "either you're with us or against us" attitudes that are increasingly prevalent.

[iup=3554922]degoose[/iup] wrote:you never use to get this kind of stuff in the late eighties and 90's until the internet got a lot more popular and also gaming.

Here's an article from 1995 about biased/bought review scores - change some of the platforms, games etc and it reads like something you'd see today (spoilered for size and truth):



And something from 1992 about how consoles are dead/dying:



All the season passes, pre-order DLC, microtransactions in full-priced games have created this sort of fuzz of anti-consumer mess that carves off content to give the illusion of having more than there is. What's worse is when these features are talked about as a choice or letting people play their way etc, when it's a problem of their own creation and they're selling you the solution.

At least with free to play games you are aware of the Faustian pact you make at the door. I saw some interview with the director of the new AC saying about optional microtransaction stuff that doesn't really do anything - so why have it as a paid option in the first place, not just in the game? Pure, unashamed greed, that's why.

However, saying all that I do actually like games, but I've begun moving towards games and genres that are more off the beaten track or stuff I missed the first time around - stuff like Dynasty Warriors, Astebreed, even enjoying the most recent Cabela's Big Game Hunter game for the former, and stuff like Ratchet and Clank for the latter.

[iup=3554939]Trelliz[/iup] wrote:

[iup=3554884]Peter Crisp[/iup] wrote:I don't see anything wrong with the video in the opening post as i enjoy games.
I think the people moaning should maybe take a long hard look at themselves and decide if gaming is for them any more if a simple positive mesage about the hobby we are supposed ro all be here for makes them post negativity.

To me that video is the gaming version of Keep Calm and Carry On - soft tyranny or "cupcake facism" that, through the plinky music and mostly using old games lulls you into compliance and with some sacharine, streamlined and infantile nostalgia.

It is possible to like something and be critical of it - which seems to be a heretical position to take in the face of absolute, binary "either you're with us or against us" attitudes that are increasingly prevalent.

[iup=3554922]degoose[/iup] wrote:you never use to get this kind of stuff in the late eighties and 90's until the internet got a lot more popular and also gaming.

Here's an article from 1995 about biased/bought review scores - change some of the platforms, games etc and it reads like something you'd see today (spoilered for size and truth):

And something from 1992 about how consoles are dead/dying:

All the season passes, pre-order DLC, microtransactions in full-priced games have created this sort of fuzz of anti-consumer mess that carves off content to give the illusion of having more than there is. What's worse is when these features are talked about as a choice or letting people play their way etc, when it's a problem of their own creation and they're selling you the solution.

At least with free to play games you are aware of the Faustian pact you make at the door. I saw some interview with the director of the new AC saying about optional microtransaction stuff that doesn't really do anything - so why have it as a paid option in the first place, not just in the game? Pure, unashamed greed, that's why.

However, saying all that I do actually like games, but I've begun moving towards games and genres that are more off the beaten track or stuff I missed the first time around - stuff like Dynasty Warriors, Astebreed, even enjoying the most recent Cabela's Big Game Hunter game for the former, and stuff like Ratchet and Clank for the latter.

i meant more of the hate and abuse and arguing and just the darker stuff, in regards to the buying of reviews i was well aware of that but also that it doesn't just happen within the game industry . That kind of paying people or mags of has been happening for years in all different sectors and i don't think will ever go as there are always journalists,reviewers and publishers that will go with it. Corruption no matter what industry has always been around and always will be.