Wales Manager, Gary Speed RIP

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by bear » Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:56 pm

StayDead wrote:Just the way the world works now would mean it'd end up in the public domain. As soon as they find out why he killed himself it'll be out there on the news. Papers need good stories to sell papers. This is a story of interest to a lot of people. They won't let this one rest.

Surely it won't come out until well after this press inquiry is finished? With all the horror stories about tabloids coming out of it the last thing youd imagine one of them doing is running a story that could paint themselves in an even worse light.

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PostRe: Wales Manager, Gary Speed RIP
by Skippy » Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:58 pm

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StayDead wrote:Just the way the world works now would mean it'd end up in the public domain. As soon as they find out why he killed himself it'll be out there on the news. Papers need good stories to sell papers. This is a story of interest to a lot of people. They won't let this one rest.

Surely it won't come out until well after this press inquiry is finished? With all the horror stories about tabloids coming out of it the last thing youd imagine one of them doing is running a story that could paint themselves in an even worse light.


Don't underestimate how low they'll sink for sales. They don't have to fear any repercussions from the law either, you can say whatever you want about the dead. Never did like hat part of Journo law.

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PostRe: Wales Manager, Gary Speed RIP
by Psychopomper » Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:08 pm

Totally dismayed and shocked by some of the ill and misinformed beliefs some people seem to hold around depression and suicide etc. At this moment in time we don't actually know why Speed chose to kill himself but if he was suffering from depression or a mental illness it really serves nobody to consider him as giving up or taking the easy option by deciding to end his life in this manner.

It should be noted that depression is not a black or white illness and what may be mild mood swings etc for one person can actually be a total inability to function or think for the next. Time and time again people are trotting out the line that they have kids and could never kill themselves as it would be selfish etc etc. The thing is this is considering the situation from a sane and logical viewpoint...here is the thing, must people who suffer from severe depression do not consider life and base their decision making within a sane and logical cognitive framework.

Depression and many anxiety disorders are hallmarked by introspection and self absorbtion and whilst these traits are obviously considered to be undesirable if displayed by a well person it has to be remembered they are part of the territory of mental illness and it is simply crass and ignorant to assume that these attributes are somehow chosen by the sufferer.

Please remember that severe anxiety and/or depression and free will are not the bedfellows that people seem to think.

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PostWales Manager, Gary Speed RIP
by Buffalo » Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:17 pm

That's y'all told. Nice post.

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by Kanbei » Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:59 pm

Anyone see Bryn Law on Sky Sports News there? Honeslty don't watch if you don't want to start crying again :(


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by KingK » Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:29 pm

:( it has hit so many people really hard hasn't it? RIP Gary

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by Adam Pollard » Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:57 pm

Kanbei wrote:Anyone see Bryn Law on Sky Sports News there? Honeslty don't watch if you don't want to start crying again :(



Heartbreaking stuff. Testament to the character and professionalism of Bryn Law that he managed to hold it together on camera for so much of the day - he was at Elland Road from about half seven this morning. I've been getting choked up at just looking at the images of the tributes being placed around the iconic Billy Bremner statue, god only knows how terrible it must be for the people who actually knew Gary personally.

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PostRe: Wales Manager, Gary Speed RIP
by Zellery » Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:59 pm

Bryn :(

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by Buffalo » Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:59 pm

Sat through that live earlier this evening. Very uncomfortable viewing.

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by Scotticus Erroticus » Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:03 pm

God Bless. I hope his death is a catalyst for many people to become better informed on depression. Then, at least, some good might come from this tragic story. :(

Hail Hail Mr Speed.

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PostRe: Wales Manager, Gary Speed RIP
by bear » Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:05 pm

Skippy wrote:
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StayDead wrote:Just the way the world works now would mean it'd end up in the public domain. As soon as they find out why he killed himself it'll be out there on the news. Papers need good stories to sell papers. This is a story of interest to a lot of people. They won't let this one rest.

Surely it won't come out until well after this press inquiry is finished? With all the horror stories about tabloids coming out of it the last thing youd imagine one of them doing is running a story that could paint themselves in an even worse light.


Don't underestimate how low they'll sink for sales. They don't have to fear any repercussions from the law either, you can say whatever you want about the dead. Never did like hat part of Journo law.

Would the short term bump in sales be worth the possible long term drop though? Given that Speed was a popular figure at multiple clubs in England and a highly respected player for Wales any paper running negative stories about him would be running the risk of losing a fair amount of regular customers.

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PostWales Manager, Gary Speed RIP
by Beans » Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:07 pm

bear wrote:
Skippy wrote:
bear wrote:
StayDead wrote:Just the way the world works now would mean it'd end up in the public domain. As soon as they find out why he killed himself it'll be out there on the news. Papers need good stories to sell papers. This is a story of interest to a lot of people. They won't let this one rest.

Surely it won't come out until well after this press inquiry is finished? With all the horror stories about tabloids coming out of it the last thing youd imagine one of them doing is running a story that could paint themselves in an even worse light.


Don't underestimate how low they'll sink for sales. They don't have to fear any repercussions from the law either, you can say whatever you want about the dead. Never did like hat part of Journo law.

Would the short term bump in sales be worth the possible long term drop though? Given that Speed was a popular figure at multiple clubs in England and a highly respected player for Wales any paper running negative stories about him would be running the risk of losing a fair amount of regular customers.

I think you over estimate the British public. The papers have been publishing gooseberry fool for years and the public have loved it

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by Preezy » Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:11 pm

I think it would be a lowness that even the red tops wouldn't sink to, they'd be vilified by the vast majority of the public.

You hope (naively, I'll admit) they'd just leave it be and not drag his name through the gutter.

That video too, horrible stuff.

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PostRe: Wales Manager, Gary Speed RIP
by Skippy » Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:12 pm

Beans wrote:
bear wrote:
Skippy wrote:
bear wrote:
StayDead wrote:Just the way the world works now would mean it'd end up in the public domain. As soon as they find out why he killed himself it'll be out there on the news. Papers need good stories to sell papers. This is a story of interest to a lot of people. They won't let this one rest.

Surely it won't come out until well after this press inquiry is finished? With all the horror stories about tabloids coming out of it the last thing youd imagine one of them doing is running a story that could paint themselves in an even worse light.


Don't underestimate how low they'll sink for sales. They don't have to fear any repercussions from the law either, you can say whatever you want about the dead. Never did like hat part of Journo law.

Would the short term bump in sales be worth the possible long term drop though? Given that Speed was a popular figure at multiple clubs in England and a highly respected player for Wales any paper running negative stories about him would be running the risk of losing a fair amount of regular customers.

I think you over estimate the British public. The papers have been publishing gooseberry fool for years and the public have loved it


A bit too generalised but I agree. Tabloid provide god awful celeb stories citing public interest, but its a public interest they themselves have created.

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PostRe: Wales Manager, Gary Speed RIP
by Skippy » Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:14 pm

Preezy wrote:I think it would be a lowness that even the red tops wouldn't sink to, they'd be vilified by the vast majority of the public.

You hope (naively, I'll admit) they'd just leave it be and not drag his name through the gutter.


If it is true then they definitely will publish it eventually. No way are they sitting on that story if there are no legal repercussions.

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PostRe: Wales Manager, Gary Speed RIP
by Preezy » Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:15 pm

Aye, sadly you're probably right.

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by bear » Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:21 pm

Beans wrote:
bear wrote:
Skippy wrote:
bear wrote:
StayDead wrote:Just the way the world works now would mean it'd end up in the public domain. As soon as they find out why he killed himself it'll be out there on the news. Papers need good stories to sell papers. This is a story of interest to a lot of people. They won't let this one rest.

Surely it won't come out until well after this press inquiry is finished? With all the horror stories about tabloids coming out of it the last thing youd imagine one of them doing is running a story that could paint themselves in an even worse light.


Don't underestimate how low they'll sink for sales. They don't have to fear any repercussions from the law either, you can say whatever you want about the dead. Never did like hat part of Journo law.

Would the short term bump in sales be worth the possible long term drop though? Given that Speed was a popular figure at multiple clubs in England and a highly respected player for Wales any paper running negative stories about him would be running the risk of losing a fair amount of regular customers.

I think you over estimate the British public. The papers have been publishing gooseberry fool for years and the public have loved it


I think you under-estimating football supporters ability to hold onto a grudge for a long period of time.

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PostRe: Wales Manager, Gary Speed RIP
by Pancake » Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:48 pm

I didn't realise quite how much I respected Gary Speed until this news. Incredibly sad.

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by Dark Ritual » Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:05 pm

THe media won't hold back. Somebody always breaks. Case in point: All papers had the Lord Triesman accusing other bids (For the World Cup) video and story ready to go, but in the interests of getting the bid to win, decided not to go forward- then one broke free seeing the opportunity and did it anyway.

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by Phatman » Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:10 pm

Ronaldo Reng's biography of German goalkeeper Robert Enke 'A Life Too Short' named Sports Book of the Year

The broadcaster John Inverdale spoke of “a tragic symmetry” this afternoon as he announced Ronald Reng as the winner of the William Hill Sports Book of the Year award for for A Life Too Short.

Reng's book is his biography of late German goalkeeper Robert Enke. And the symmetry lay in the fact that Enke - like the newly departed Gary Speed - took his own life at a time when people outside his intimate circle thought he was doing fine.

No-one yet knows whether Speed was suffering from depression. But Reng’s book takes us deeply into the internal life of Enke and leaves no doubt that he was a victim of the condition.

Enke was secretly using anti-depressants through the last months of his life, which he ended on a train-track in November 2009. The fact that the drugs slowed his reflexes was just another cause for anxiety as he prepared to travel to South Africa with the German national team the following summer.

Accepting the award today at Picadilly’s flagship branch of Waterstone’s, Reng gave an emotional speech in which he said “I wrote this book so that something of Robert Enke will remain. I hope it will tell people what a nice person he was, and what a terrible illness depression is.

“You can’t fight it in the way you might fight cancer. You are left alone and can’t do anything about it.”

A Life Too Short won the award on a split decision from the judging panel – “a short head”, as William Hill spokesman Graham Sharpe put it in horse-racing terms.

The shortlist this year contained seven books rather than the usual six after Engage – Paul Kimmage’s collaboration with the paralysed rugby player Matt Hampson became a late addition, despite never having been formally submitted by publishers Simon & Schuster.

The other five books were:

Among The Fans, by Pat Collins – a chronicle of the author’s year spent watching the watchers at a variety of sporting events.

Into The Arena, by Alexander Fiske-Harrison, which also covers a year in the author’s life, but this time explores the world of bullfighting in Spain.

The Ghost Runner, by Bill Jones, which follows the frustrated life of John Tarrant – a brilliant long-distance runner who could not compete formally because he once contested a boxing match for a petty purse of £17, and was thus not considered an amateur.

Racing Through The Dark, by David Millar and Jeremy Whittle, which describes the “dark years” that Tour de France cyclist Millar spent using prohibited substances to enhance his performance.

32 Programmes, by Dave Roberts, in which the author is warned by his wife to throw away the vast majority of his 1134 football programmes, and tells his story as a supporter through the 32 that he kept.


Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/column ... -Year.html

Well deserved. I can't recommend this book enough, to anyone who follows football and to anyone who wants to understand depression. It'll break your heart a little, but it's a rewarding read. Might not be an easy to digest so soon after Gary Speed, but I imagine a lot of what was true for Robert Enke was true for Gary Speed.

Posted this in the football thread as well, but I'm aware that not everyone commenting in this thread follows football. You really don't need to know anything about football or even like it to get something from this book. It should be an educational tool on understanding depression.

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