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Re: Wales Manager, Gary Speed RIP
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:38 pm
by Skippy
Denster wrote:Clarkman wrote:Photek wrote:Gutted by this news, ultimately it is a selfish act but i presume he felt his wife and kids would be better off without him so I won't judge.
I don't think this is true.
Suicide isn't the choice people are making it out to be in this thread. Suicide is perceived as the lack of choice. It is the ultimate consequence of a fatal illness.
That is a far more accurate picture. It's very dismissive to describe it as a selfish act.
It's still a selfish act imo, but for the reasons Clarky said I still find it tragic and I certainly don't judge Speed for doing it.
I still think it's a choice though, the biggest anyone could make save choosing life or death for another person. It's just the person making it in the case of suicide has been driven to the point where they think it's the only option.
Re: Wales Manager, Gary Speed RIP
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:47 pm
by Dark Ritual
From my experience, people at such a low point where they consider that feel they'd be doing their families a favour in some regards. They feel unfit for the world and that they'd be improving it by killing themselves.
Re: Wales Manager, Gary Speed RIP
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:01 pm
by Songwriter
There is talk on twitter and from the Telegraph - he was about to be outted by The Sun.
Re: Wales Manager, Gary Speed RIP
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:05 pm
by Steve
Songwriter wrote:There is talk on twitter and from the Telegraph - he was about to be outted by The Sun.
For what?
Re: Wales Manager, Gary Speed RIP
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:05 pm
by Cuttooth
As?
Re: Wales Manager, Gary Speed RIP
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:06 pm
by Codename 47
Songwriter wrote:There is talk on twitter and from the Telegraph - he was about to be outted by The Sun.
How do you mean by outted....outted as in revealed to be gay? An Affair?
Re: Wales Manager, Gary Speed RIP
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:07 pm
by Songwriter
Outted as Gay.
Re: Wales Manager, Gary Speed RIP
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:08 pm
by Turboman
Codename 47 wrote:Songwriter wrote:There is talk on twitter and from the Telegraph - he was about to be outted by The Sun.
How do you mean by outted....outted as in revealed to be gay? An Affair?
Both apparently.
Re: Wales Manager, Gary Speed RIP
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:10 pm
by Foxhound
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/8919251 ... rance.htmlThere was also suggestion that Speed, a former Leeds, Everton, Newcastle United and Bolton Wanderers player, had recently learned that a tabloid newspaper was to print a story about his private life.
The Sun newspaper denied online accusations.
A message on the paper’s official Twitter account read: “No truth in this story. The Sun was not investigating Gary Speed in any way.”
While they would deny it, it sounds like nothing but internet rumours to me.
Re: Wales Manager, Gary Speed RIP
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:10 pm
by Steve
Songwriter wrote:Outted as Gay.
I really hope that is not the reason. What's the worst that could happen, a few silly chants from knob-end fans and a bit of hassle sorting things out with family?
Re: Wales Manager, Gary Speed RIP
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:10 pm
by Photek
Clarkman wrote:Photek wrote:Gutted by this news, ultimately it is a selfish act but i presume he felt his wife and kids would be better off without him so I won't judge.
I don't think this is true.
Suicide isn't the choice people are making it out to be in this thread. Suicide is perceived as the lack of choice. It is the ultimate consequence of a fatal illness.
I agree, but I can understand why people see it as selfish.
Re: Wales Manager, Gary Speed RIP
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:10 pm
by Songwriter
Now - The Sun dein it.
Telegraph wouldn't strawberry float about with something with that.
Gary could have been new start of football. If it was true.
Re: Wales Manager, Gary Speed RIP
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:12 pm
by Foxhound
Songwriter wrote:Now - The Sun dein it.
Telegraph wouldn't strawberry float about with something with that.
Gary could have been new start of football. If it was true.
Where have the Telegraph said that The Sun did have something on him?
Re: Wales Manager, Gary Speed RIP
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:12 pm
by Steve
Foxhound wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/8919251/Gary-Speed-in-apparent-suicide-just-hours-after-tv-appearance.html
There was also suggestion that Speed, a former Leeds, Everton, Newcastle United and Bolton Wanderers player, had recently learned that a tabloid newspaper was to print a story about his private life.
The Sun newspaper denied online accusations.
A message on the paper’s official Twitter account read: “No truth in this story. The Sun was not investigating Gary Speed in any way.”
While they would deny it, it sounds like nothing but internet rumours to me.
The Sun is a vile disgusting tabloid. I hope the above statement they made is true, but it also wouldn't surprise me if it was not.
Re: Wales Manager, Gary Speed RIP
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:16 pm
by Psychopomper
I strawberry floating hate the tabloid press with a passion but the bottom line is always that if people didn't want to read the tittle tattle they spew out then they could not exist. The public gets what the public wants etc etc.
Re: Wales Manager, Gary Speed RIP
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:18 pm
by Steve
Psychopomper wrote:I strawberry floating hate the tabloid press with a passion but the bottom line is always that if people didn't want to read the tittle tattle they spew out then they could not exist. The public gets what the public wants etc etc.
The public gets from the press what they think we are interested in, or what they tell us that we are interested in.
Re: Wales Manager, Gary Speed RIP
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:20 pm
by Songwriter
It isnt fact remember.
Re: Wales Manager, Gary Speed RIP
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:45 pm
by PCCD
Never understood the tabloid idea that being gay = scandal.
Re: Wales Manager, Gary Speed RIP
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:47 pm
by Dig Dug
PCCD wrote:Never understood the tabloid idea that being gay = scandal.
Because a lot of people still view gay as uncommon or not normal.
Re: Wales Manager, Gary Speed RIP
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:48 pm
by The People's ElboReformat
Steve wrote:Foxhound wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/8919251/Gary-Speed-in-apparent-suicide-just-hours-after-tv-appearance.html
There was also suggestion that Speed, a former Leeds, Everton, Newcastle United and Bolton Wanderers player, had recently learned that a tabloid newspaper was to print a story about his private life.
The Sun newspaper denied online accusations.
A message on the paper’s official Twitter account read: “No truth in this story. The Sun was not investigating Gary Speed in any way.”
While they would deny it, it sounds like nothing but internet rumours to me.
The Sun is a vile disgusting tabloid. I hope the above statement they made is true, but it also wouldn't surprise me if it was not.
Tbh I hope the rumours are true (about the Sun planning on outing him or whatever). Then The Sun would really be strawberry floated and hopefully cease to exist.