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by Lex-Man » Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:58 pm

Jenuall wrote:I definitely think we're getting fatter as a nation, but we still seem to have far fewer REALLY huge people compared to the USA.


Come to Southend, we've got really huge people. Quite a few seem pretty young but drive around on mobility scooters.

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PostRe: We're Number 1 in Europe
by Moggy » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:34 am

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Jenuall wrote:I definitely think we're getting fatter as a nation, but we still seem to have far fewer REALLY huge people compared to the USA.


Come to Southend, we've got really huge people. Quite a few seem pretty young but drive around on mobility scooters.


Are you thinking of Southend or are you getting confused with WALL-E?

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by Lex-Man » Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:31 am

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lex-man wrote:
Jenuall wrote:I definitely think we're getting fatter as a nation, but we still seem to have far fewer REALLY huge people compared to the USA.


Come to Southend, we've got really huge people. Quite a few seem pretty young but drive around on mobility scooters.


Are you thinking of Southend or are you getting confused with WALL-E?


Definitely Southend, it's like WALL-E only grimmer.

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PostRe: We're Number 1 in Europe
by Jenuall » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:00 pm

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Jenuall wrote:I definitely think we're getting fatter as a nation, but we still seem to have far fewer REALLY huge people compared to the USA.


Come to Southend, we've got really huge people. Quite a few seem pretty young but drive around on mobility scooters.


Are you thinking of Southend or are you getting confused with WALL-E?


Oh no doubt there are some big folks here in the UK, I just think it's nowhere need the concentration or (pun intended) scale of what you see in the USA. Obviously this is all anecdotal but any time I've been to America I've been overwhelmed by just how many truly overweight people there are around.

How granular are the stats we see on obesity? If everyone over a certain point is just lumped into the "Obese" bracket then you don't really get a feel for the true extent of the problem - having a country where 30% of the population are say 15st is not as bad as one where that same 30% are 20+st (although obvioulsy neither is great!) but they would probably all fall in the same "obese" category (obviously this will depend on height etc. but I'm simplifying for the sake of argument!).

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by NickSCFC » Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:49 pm

British food is bad shocker

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by Lex-Man » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:02 pm

This seems relevant to the topic.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/feb/02/ultra-processed-products-now-half-of-all-uk-family-food-purchases

Half of all the food bought by families in the UK is now “ultra-processed”, made in a factory with industrial ingredients and additives invented by food technologists and bearing little resemblance to the fruit, vegetables, meat or fish used to cook a fresh meal at home.

Research by global nutrition experts reveals the scale of our food evolution, from farm-fresh to factory-manufactured. “Real food” has been replaced by salty snacks and sugary cereals, industrially-made bread and desserts, ready-meals and reconstituted meats alongside sweetened soft drinks.

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by That » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:07 pm

You'll never wean people off pre-made meals and processed snacks. They're just too cheap and convenient, and though they might not compete in quality with actual good food they do genuinely have a great effort-to-tastes-nice ratio.

In the future my hope is that maybe 'zero-calorie' ready meals will become a thing, maybe through very carefully engineering the food to contain sweeteners instead of sugar. I can't imagine we're far off that. Then people can manage their weight through having an entire zero-calorie meal a day and continuing to eat whatever they like for the other meals.

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by KK » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:19 pm

More emphasis needs to be put back onto Home Economics at school. When I was at school it covered the basics (beans on toast, how to boil an egg) and immediately tailed off.

In my experience ready meals are extremely good taste and ingredient wise at the Premium end of the market, and are diabolical everywhere else. But wherever you go, they do tend to contain a lot more sugar, salt and saturated fat than if you'd made it yourself. They're also expensive, though still cheaper than a takeaway...just.

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by Winckle » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:21 pm

Karl wrote:You'll never wean people off pre-made meals and processed snacks. They're just too cheap and convenient, and though they might not compete in quality with actual good food they do genuinely have a great effort-to-tastes-nice ratio.

In the future my hope is that maybe 'zero-calorie' ready meals will become a thing, maybe through very carefully engineering the food to contain sweeteners instead of sugar. I can't imagine we're far off that. Then people can manage their weight through having an entire zero-calorie meal a day and continuing to eat whatever they like for the other meals.

If people didn't have to work so many hours they might find themselves better able to cook.

It takes discipline to plan your meals and more importantly stick to it. Sometimes I get home from work at my normal 7.5 hour a day job as a childless man, and think I can't be bothered spending an hour to prep and cook a healthy meal. And if I'm thinking that, then I have serious respect for single parents working full time who are able to prepare healthy food for their kids.

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by KK » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:33 pm

Talking about just myself, I know that when I am in central London for the majority of the day that not only do you burn through money like it's going out of fashion (last year in the summer it worked out about £40 a day for a week, because who can also resist a bar on the Thames...), healthy food also goes out the window. Your day can start with a high calorie coffee and a bacon roll or whatever and continues to deteriorate from there. It's food, food, food all the time. Every corner you turn, you're being tempted by something.

I definitely eat healthier (and retain more money) working from home the majority of time. There is the time and general relaxed nature to plan every stage of what you're going to eat. And you can talk about your packed lunches but that isn't getting you through the day, so you are relying on Pret, Subway etc.

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by Jenuall » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:40 pm

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Karl wrote:You'll never wean people off pre-made meals and processed snacks. They're just too cheap and convenient, and though they might not compete in quality with actual good food they do genuinely have a great effort-to-tastes-nice ratio.

In the future my hope is that maybe 'zero-calorie' ready meals will become a thing, maybe through very carefully engineering the food to contain sweeteners instead of sugar. I can't imagine we're far off that. Then people can manage their weight through having an entire zero-calorie meal a day and continuing to eat whatever they like for the other meals.

If people didn't have to work so many hours they might find themselves better able to cook.

It takes discipline to plan your meals and more importantly stick to it. Sometimes I get home from work at my normal 7.5 hour a day job as a childless man, and think I can't be bothered spending an hour to prep and cook a healthy meal. And if I'm thinking that, then I have serious respect for single parents working full time who are able to prepare healthy food for their kids.


This is true, although I think cooking something both nice and healthy can be far quicker and easier than most people realise. Despite now having 3 young children and a 40 hour a week job I actually think I eat a healthier diet and cook more "real" meals than I ever did in my younger years.

The art of how to shop for and cook real ingredients seems to be seriously dying out in this country. I guess there is a lack of this kind of thing being passed down through generations and with the increased availability and quality of ready meals then there is less incentive to learn?

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by SandyCoin » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:49 pm

Jenuall wrote:This is true, although I think cooking something both nice and healthy can be far quicker and easier than most people realise. Despite now having 3 young children and a 40 hour a week job I actually think I eat a healthier diet and cook more "real" meals than I ever did in my younger years.

The art of how to shop for and cook real ingredients seems to be seriously dying out in this country. I guess there is a lack of this kind of thing being passed down through generations and with the increased availability and quality of ready meals then there is less incentive to learn?


This is what I don't overly understand. Some people seem to think making a healthy meal takes an hour. It can take literally 15 minutes to prepare a nice healthy dinner, especially for one or two people. I can understand some opting for the ready meals, but I don't see how a person can be that busy that they do that the majority of a week. Also buying stuff and cooking it yourself is surely cheaper than buying ready meals. A decent dinner without any expensive meat or fish can cost barely 2 quid when cooked at home. If once a week you plan, or make a big curry for example (without a ton of cream or whatever) then that's basically a "ready meal" for another day.

I agree with KK that home ec should be better at schools too. In my school days it was a doss aimed mostly at girls for some reason. Plus, it taught you how to cook a fry up.... They should hammer home that the country is getting fatter to these kids so they actually might pay attention.

I honestly can't remember the last time I had a supermarket ready meal. Probably at uni at a guess.

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by That » Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:02 pm

Winckle wrote:If people didn't have to work so many hours they might find themselves better able to cook.

It takes discipline to plan your meals and more importantly stick to it. Sometimes I get home from work at my normal 7.5 hour a day job as a childless man, and think I can't be bothered spending an hour to prep and cook a healthy meal. And if I'm thinking that, then I have serious respect for single parents working full time who are able to prepare healthy food for their kids.

Totally, I agree with both bits of that.

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PostRe: We're Number 1 in Europe
by bear » Fri Feb 02, 2018 6:02 pm

SandyCoin wrote:
Jenuall wrote:This is true, although I think cooking something both nice and healthy can be far quicker and easier than most people realise. Despite now having 3 young children and a 40 hour a week job I actually think I eat a healthier diet and cook more "real" meals than I ever did in my younger years.

The art of how to shop for and cook real ingredients seems to be seriously dying out in this country. I guess there is a lack of this kind of thing being passed down through generations and with the increased availability and quality of ready meals then there is less incentive to learn?


This is what I don't overly understand. Some people seem to think making a healthy meal takes an hour. It can take literally 15 minutes to prepare a nice healthy dinner, especially for one or two people. I can understand some opting for the ready meals, but I don't see how a person can be that busy that they do that the majority of a week. Also buying stuff and cooking it yourself is surely cheaper than buying ready meals. A decent dinner without any expensive meat or fish can cost barely 2 quid when cooked at home. If once a week you plan, or make a big curry for example (without a ton of cream or whatever) then that's basically a "ready meal" for another day.

I agree with KK that home ec should be better at schools too. In my school days it was a doss aimed mostly at girls for some reason. Plus, it taught you how to cook a fry up.... They should hammer home that the country is getting fatter to these kids so they actually might pay attention.

I honestly can't remember the last time I had a supermarket ready meal. Probably at uni at a guess.

I think part of it is that when it comes to "healthy" eating the focus is invariably on guff merchants like Ella Woodward who get a tonne of publicity but the recipes just aren't that nice and feature some hard to obtain/fearsomely expensive ingredients. I'm sure a Guatemalan Turnip Salad with a fenugreek and bagpuss berry dressing is just lovely but it does create the impression that healthy food is a lot of faff.

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by Jenuall » Fri Feb 02, 2018 6:25 pm

bear wrote:
SandyCoin wrote:
Jenuall wrote:This is true, although I think cooking something both nice and healthy can be far quicker and easier than most people realise. Despite now having 3 young children and a 40 hour a week job I actually think I eat a healthier diet and cook more "real" meals than I ever did in my younger years.

The art of how to shop for and cook real ingredients seems to be seriously dying out in this country. I guess there is a lack of this kind of thing being passed down through generations and with the increased availability and quality of ready meals then there is less incentive to learn?


This is what I don't overly understand. Some people seem to think making a healthy meal takes an hour. It can take literally 15 minutes to prepare a nice healthy dinner, especially for one or two people. I can understand some opting for the ready meals, but I don't see how a person can be that busy that they do that the majority of a week. Also buying stuff and cooking it yourself is surely cheaper than buying ready meals. A decent dinner without any expensive meat or fish can cost barely 2 quid when cooked at home. If once a week you plan, or make a big curry for example (without a ton of cream or whatever) then that's basically a "ready meal" for another day.

I agree with KK that home ec should be better at schools too. In my school days it was a doss aimed mostly at girls for some reason. Plus, it taught you how to cook a fry up.... They should hammer home that the country is getting fatter to these kids so they actually might pay attention.

I honestly can't remember the last time I had a supermarket ready meal. Probably at uni at a guess.

I think part of it is that when it comes to "healthy" eating the focus is invariably on guff merchants like Ella Woodward who get a tonne of publicity but the recipes just aren't that nice and feature some hard to obtain/fearsomely expensive ingredients. I'm sure a Guatemalan Turnip Salad with a fenugreek and bagpuss berry dressing is just lovely but it does create the impression that healthy food is a lot of faff.


Yeah, particularly with the rise in social media there seems to have been a growing push toward overly exotic or complicated foods being associated with "good health". But the reality is that so long as the rest of your diet is not full of gooseberry fool (i.e. constant snacking on high sugar and fat etc.) and you lead a reasonably active lifestyle then your meals do not have to be ridiculous like that.

There are loads of simple, quick and tasty meals you can make without needing to go to Whole Foods to pick up obscure and expensive ingredients, and stuff like steak, pizza, burgers or whatever deliciousness certain advocates seems to want to deprive people of are perfectly valid options - just not everyday!

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PostRe: We're Number 1 in Europe
by Qikz » Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:59 pm

Winckle wrote:
Karl wrote:You'll never wean people off pre-made meals and processed snacks. They're just too cheap and convenient, and though they might not compete in quality with actual good food they do genuinely have a great effort-to-tastes-nice ratio.

In the future my hope is that maybe 'zero-calorie' ready meals will become a thing, maybe through very carefully engineering the food to contain sweeteners instead of sugar. I can't imagine we're far off that. Then people can manage their weight through having an entire zero-calorie meal a day and continuing to eat whatever they like for the other meals.

If people didn't have to work so many hours they might find themselves better able to cook.

It takes discipline to plan your meals and more importantly stick to it. Sometimes I get home from work at my normal 7.5 hour a day job as a childless man, and think I can't be bothered spending an hour to prep and cook a healthy meal. And if I'm thinking that, then I have serious respect for single parents working full time who are able to prepare healthy food for their kids.


This is 100% it. The last thing I want to do when I get home is to spend ages cooking. I usually eat some form of meat and some form of potato since I just can't be bothered cleaning up/preparing after my work day.

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PostRe: We're Number 1 in Europe
by Gemini73 » Sat Feb 03, 2018 4:40 pm

We do a lot of home cooking in our household and have done since the two babies came along. Home cooking really is the best and the wife is a dab hand at it. That's not say we don't eat junk food from time to time, (we had fish n chips from the chippy last night as it happens - :toot: ), and I've no problem taking the kids to McDonanalds or Pizza Hut on occasion as a treat. But yeah, as a family I'd say we're quite healthy eaters overall.

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by Green Gecko » Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:57 pm

Pesto
Lentils
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Spice rack
Salad
Reduced/lean meat > freezer
White fish > feezer
Peas (naturally sweet)
Brocolli (naturally sweet)
Mayonnaise

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