What will be the biggest comic-book film this year?

Anung wrote:

HM wrote:Yeah it's totally gooseberry fool, that's why it's made $1,036,173,290 since release. Total gooseberry fool.

You're just jelly cus it's kicked TDK's arse.

Whoa whoa dude, money doesn't equal quality. Transformers 3 and Alice in Wonderland cleared that marker and they are both shithouse.

Yeah but this made a record amount of money in a record amount of time.

HM wrote:

Anung wrote:

HM wrote:Yeah it's totally gooseberry fool, that's why it's made $1,036,173,290 since release. Total gooseberry fool.

You're just jelly cus it's kicked TDK's arse.

Whoa whoa dude, money doesn't equal quality. Transformers 3 and Alice in Wonderland cleared that marker and they are both shithouse.

Yeah but this made a record amount of money in a record amount of time.

Which means precisely nothing.

And did I say it was total gooseberry fool? No. I didn't. I said it isn't that good. Not even bad. Just not that good.

HSH28 wrote:Its going to be hilarious in a few months time when almost everyone realises Avengers isn't actually that good and you are still trying to justify yourselves.

Four years later you still seem to think Dark Knight was that good.

Memento Mori wrote:

HSH28 wrote:Its going to be hilarious in a few months time when almost everyone realises Avengers isn't actually that good and you are still trying to justify yourselves.

Four years later you still seem to think Dark Knight was that good.

Along with the majority of people, yes.

HSH28 wrote:

HM wrote:

Anung wrote:

HM wrote:Yeah it's totally gooseberry fool, that's why it's made $1,036,173,290 since release. Total gooseberry fool.

You're just jelly cus it's kicked TDK's arse.

Whoa whoa dude, money doesn't equal quality. Transformers 3 and Alice in Wonderland cleared that marker and they are both shithouse.

Yeah but this made a record amount of money in a record amount of time.

Which means precisely nothing.

And did I say it was total gooseberry fool? No. I didn't. I said it isn't that good. Not even bad. Just not that good.

And yet you considering TDK to be better with it's absolute mess of a plot from Joker's capture onwards, Harvey Dent's transformation being totally rushedd and Gyllenhaal's performance as Rachel being total gooseberry fool.

Don't even get me started on the people in the bloody ferries and that whole scenario. Eurgh.

HSH28 wrote:

Memento Mori wrote:

HSH28 wrote:Its going to be hilarious in a few months time when almost everyone realises Avengers isn't actually that good and you are still trying to justify yourselves.

Four years later you still seem to think Dark Knight was that good.

Along with the majority of people, yes.

I thought you just said popularity "means precisely nothing".

Memento Mori wrote:

HSH28 wrote:

Memento Mori wrote:

HSH28 wrote:Its going to be hilarious in a few months time when almost everyone realises Avengers isn't actually that good and you are still trying to justify yourselves.

Four years later you still seem to think Dark Knight was that good.

Along with the majority of people, yes.

I thought you just said popularity "means precisely nothing".

Hugo to move the goal posts in 3..2...

Memento Mori wrote:

HSH28 wrote:

Memento Mori wrote:

HSH28 wrote:Its going to be hilarious in a few months time when almost everyone realises Avengers isn't actually that good and you are still trying to justify yourselves.

Four years later you still seem to think Dark Knight was that good.

Along with the majority of people, yes.

I thought you just said popularity "means precisely nothing".

I said record amounts of money have nothing to do with the quality of a film.

Popularity and longevity aren't the same as a film being a box office smash.

Example. Most people agree Shawshank Redemption is a great film. However it was a Box Office flop, theres no need to move goal posts because theres no contradiction at all in what I said.

where did all this TDK hate come from?

The usual thing. Something is universally praised so it stimulates hate. Especially from strawberry floating idiots. Idiots who bemoan plot and development arcs in superhero films and have problems with scene changes that don't have sign posts apparently.

kommissarboris wrote:where did all this TDK hate come from?

I do like TDK but it has some noticeable flaws.

Don't hate TDK, love it in fact. Just isn't as perfect as some people think it is considering the massive plot holes with regards to the Joker's "plan" from his capture onwards, the whole bullet/fingerprint scene is just total wtf and the ferries.

God the ferry part is just awful. For a movie that is so serious about being different to other comic book movies in being focused on plot it fails spectacularly once you really question it.

Avengers knows what is it and absolutely nails it.

I love the incomprehension on here regarding the joker's plans. He just dreams stuff up and then acts on what happens. The whole escape from prison bit is a perfect example. He doesn't actually give a strawberry float if they work or not because he just dreams up another one afterwards. And another one and another one until he's caught. That's what he does.

I never once said it's perfect but it does capture the essence of batman and the joker better than any other film has.

Exactly. Joker is supposed to be bat gooseberry fool crazy, the argument that his plans not being logical is some kind of a flaw in the film is ridiculous.

Lets look at the plot from Gordon being shot onwards.

Firstly though, the bullet/fingerprint scene. Still no idea how shooting that many different blocks allows Bruce to get his fingerprint. Still no idea why he needs it, he knows he's going to be at the procession why not just go as Batman and wait?

Then Gordon faking his death? Why? Does he do it on his own or with Batman? If Batman is in on it why does he then go to hand himself in, how does he know Harvey will take the fall for it? How does Gordon become the driver of the truck carrying Harvey? They're just going to let anyone drive without checking their face?

Then the chase bit. So one vehicle on fire blocking their path means they should go underground which they even admit is a death trap? Why not turn around? Why not ram the truck out the way? Why not go down the other side of that road that is still clear?

Then Joker's capture. So he wants to get captured because he has it set up for Rachel/Harvey to be at two locations and to make Bats choose. Fine. But then he also happens to have that fat guy with bombphone stuck in him set up for his escape. But what if that police guy hadn't gone in his cell? What if fat guy never got arrested? What if fat guy died before getting to the cell? How's the Joker going to get out then?

I could go on, the ferry part is just ridiculous. I know part of the Joker's character is these crazy plans, but when you analysis the plot its full of holes covered up by "lol crazy joker gooseberry fool". I still love it, it's amazing to watch. But it doesn't compare to the previous film and can't be considered the top of comic book movies with so many plot holes.

HSH28 wrote:Its going to be hilarious in a few months time when almost everyone realises Avengers isn't actually that good and you are still trying to justify yourselves.

One of the most ridiculous posts I've seen from you on here, and that's saying something.

HM wrote:Lets look at the plot from Gordon being shot onwards.

Firstly though, the bullet/fingerprint scene. Still no idea how shooting that many different blocks allows Bruce to get his fingerprint. Still no idea why he needs it, he knows he's going to be at the procession why not just go as Batman and wait?

Then Gordon faking his death? Why? Does he do it on his own or with Batman? If Batman is in on it why does he then go to hand himself in, how does he know Harvey will take the fall for it? How does Gordon become the driver of the truck carrying Harvey? They're just going to let anyone drive without checking their face?

Then the chase bit. So one vehicle on fire blocking their path means they should go underground which they even admit is a death trap? Why not turn around? Why not ram the truck out the way? Why not go down the other side of that road that is still clear?

Then Joker's capture. So he wants to get captured because he has it set up for Rachel/Harvey to be at two locations and to make Bats choose. Fine. But then he also happens to have that fat guy with bombphone stuck in him set up for his escape. But what if that police guy hadn't gone in his cell? What if fat guy never got arrested? What if fat guy died before getting to the cell? How's the Joker going to get out then?

I could go on, the ferry part is just ridiculous. I know part of the Joker's character is these crazy plans, but when you analysis the plot its full of holes covered up by "lol crazy joker gooseberry fool". I still love it, it's amazing to watch. But it doesn't compare to the previous film and can't be considered the top of comic book movies with so many plot holes.

I thought that about the vehicle blocking, too.

The joker's capture. He expects Batman to interrogate him - if the cop didn't come in the cell- someone would have - he'd killed several of their colleague. Or he could have just demanded his phone call anyway. He then could have taken a hostage in the same way and escaped. Or we could just accept an intricate plan worked and if it hadn't - he would have thought up another one on the cuff. The whole thing with the ferries is to keep Batman and the police occupied while Harvey runs around causing mayhem. That's the jokers plan. He knows he'll be caught eventually so he has a backup.

Memento Mori wrote:

HSH28 wrote:No Marvel film comes anywhere close to The Dark Knight.

The Dark Knight isn't even the best Batman film.

Begins > Avengers > Dark Knight.

Batman Returns is the best Batman film. Best portrayal of Batman, Bruce Wayne, Catwoman and the Penguin. The Dark Knight is more of a Christopher Nolan film than Batman Returns is a Tim Burton film. At least Tim Burton cares about the iconography of the character. Gotham is perfect, his suit is perfect, the Batman sign is perfect, his car, his butler, his bat cave, his voice when he speaks. I like how classy Michael Keaton is as Bruce Wayne. Nolan's films are so ridiculously heavy handed.

Well, all I can say is that I like both. I can't pick which is better as they're two different films in their own right.

Suffocate Peon wrote:

Memento Mori wrote:

HSH28 wrote:No Marvel film comes anywhere close to The Dark Knight.

The Dark Knight isn't even the best Batman film.

Begins > Avengers > Dark Knight.

Batman Returns is the best Batman film. Best portrayal of Batman, Bruce Wayne, Catwoman and the Penguin. The Dark Knight is more of a Christopher Nolan film than Batman Returns is a Tim Burton film. At least Tim Burton cares about the iconography of the character. Gotham is perfect, his suit is perfect, the Batman sign is perfect, his car, his butler, his bat cave, his voice when he speaks. I like how classy Michael Keaton is as Bruce Wayne. Nolan's films are so ridiculously heavy handed.

Not enough time before work.