What's the best graphics card for this?

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PostWhat's the best graphics card for this?
by SugarCubes » Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:05 pm

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It's got one of those 6 pin power cables.

I want to be able to play rFactor 2, Assetto Corsa and the Arma series at respectable framerates with decent visuals, the system has a Intel Core2Duo 2.13ghz and 8GB PC6400 800mhz.
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PostRe: What's the best graphics card for this?
by Gently-Parted Ringpiece » Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:59 pm

SugarCubes wrote:I want to be able to play rFactor 2, Assetto Corsa and the Arma series at respectable framerates with decent visuals


SugarCubes wrote:Intel Core2Duo 2.13ghz and 8GB PC6400 800mhz.


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PostRe: What's the best graphics card for this?
by jiggles » Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:07 pm

Quad SLI 980 Tis

And a new computer.
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PostRe: What's the best graphics card for this?
by Trelliz » Tue Jan 12, 2016 10:02 pm

jiggles wrote:And a new computer.


This - you're going to have to start again pretty much. Getting a good gpu will mean nothing if it has a bottleneck of a CPU behind it.
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PostRe: What's the best graphics card for this?
by Green Gecko » Wed Jan 13, 2016 12:42 am

Sadly the platform you're running on is just too old.
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PostRe: What's the best graphics card for this?
by SugarCubes » Thu Jan 14, 2016 9:20 pm

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There's a video on youtube with the 2.13ghz Core 2 cpu and HD 6800 running Assetto Corsa at 40FPS, this old pc with a 256MB ati x1550 can run Arma 2 at 15-20fps with medium settings @
480p :dread:


Surely a newer gfx card will allow me to play these games in 720p at 30fps or better? What if I add a Core 2 Extreme 2.93 Ghz cpu?

I can get that and a HD 7770 (used) for £65, will this combo work with that PSU?
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PostRe: What's the best graphics card for this?
by Ad7 » Thu Jan 14, 2016 9:23 pm

> Has gaming pc
> Targets running games at 1024x768 at 30 fps
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PostRe: What's the best graphics card for this?
by SugarCubes » Thu Jan 14, 2016 9:36 pm

I wish rFactor 2 and Arma would come to the PS4 then I wouldn't have to bother with gaming on PC :(


Buying a new system for these games just isn't worth it. Will this ghetto combo do the job?
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PostRe: What's the best graphics card for this?
by Green Gecko » Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:06 pm

You are going to be pushing the psu to the max and regardless of how powerful the gpu is, and youtube videos might not reveal this, there are going to be certain more cpu intensive scenarios where the framerate is so inconsistent that it makes the experience less enjoyable. Especially on simulation heavy, physics driven games like racers.

In my experience, when this is the case, reducing the resolution makes little difference.
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PostRe: What's the best graphics card for this?
by Trelliz » Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:04 am

Assetto Corsa is coming to ps4, but it is not a good game. This is one of the rare situations where i would say stick to the ps4. Don't waste money trying to add stuff to a fundamentally underpowered pc to get intensive sims running at sub hd at 30fps at best.

You will need at least an i5 cpu (and new motherboard), 600w psu, 8gb ram and a gtx 750ti at the very least to make a modern gamimg pc. There will be nothing you can salvage for this. Check out sites like logical increments, eurogamer/pcgamer have part guides for respective budgets.
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PostRe: What's the best graphics card for this?
by Harry Bizzle » Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:50 am

600W is a massive overestimation for that.
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PostRe: What's the best graphics card for this?
by Brerlappin » Fri Jan 15, 2016 10:05 am

Trelliz wrote:Assetto Corsa is coming to ps4, but it is not a good game. This is one of the rare situations where i would say stick to the ps4. Don't waste money trying to add stuff to a fundamentally underpowered pc to get intensive sims running at sub hd at 30fps at best.

You will need at least an i5 cpu (and new motherboard), 600w psu, 8gb ram and a gtx 750ti at the very least to make a modern gamimg pc. There will be nothing you can salvage for this. Check out sites like logical increments, eurogamer/pcgamer have part guides for respective budgets.


I dont really get the i5 minimum requirement for a gaming PC. Just this weekend i built a budget PC for a friend, and put an i3 4160 into it, and a GTX 960. It was able to run fire strike with a respectable score and ran UE4 elemental tech demo at 1080p60

As for the OPs shitbox, i had a similar spec PC and i put a 660GTX into it and gave it to my brother. Hes able to play a load of stuff on it, obviously not maxed and mostly at 30fps tho. But as long as you just want something to play the odd PC exclusive that isnt too taxing on, it does the trick and it cost us nothing but the 100 euro or so for the 660. And i put a 9600GT into a dell optiplex 745 and was able to play Arma2/DayZ on it easily
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PostRe: What's the best graphics card for this?
by Gently-Parted Ringpiece » Fri Jan 15, 2016 10:26 am

Arma is very CPU heavy. Its also very graphically taxing if you are wanting to run it with good settings at a decent framerate.

I think another issue here is you say respectable framerates and decent visuals, but then say you've seen a video of someone running it at 480p and 20fps. These are entirely seperate targets. Respectable framerate and decent visuals says to me 60fps and settings on High or better.

I have an i5, 16GB RAM and SLI 970's and even that can chug on Arma when it gets really heavy with everything maxed.
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PostRe: What's the best graphics card for this?
by Trelliz » Fri Jan 15, 2016 10:43 am

Also regarding Assetto Corsa, unless you just want to hotlap on your own, it can also gooseberry fool itself when there's more than a handful of AI present. I'm sticking to my recommendation of either starting from scratch which will be more expensive, or stick to the ps4 - you could indeed spend money adding a better card to that machine, but the results - sub-HD at 30fps or less - are not worth the financial cost.
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PostRe: What's the best graphics card for this?
by Brerlappin » Fri Jan 15, 2016 10:55 am

Yeah i mean i wouldnt waste my time tarting it up either. Only if youre really desperate to play some relatively un-demanding older PC titles or UE3 based games
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PostRe: What's the best graphics card for this?
by HSH28 » Fri Jan 15, 2016 5:57 pm

There's always the option of keeping some stuff and rebuilding on a newer cheap CPU and motherboard.

The Pentium Anniversary G3258 can be had for around £50, he could probably put together that CPU with a motherboard, new memory, a better PSU and a new graphics card for around £250. Add in a cheap CPU cooler and you can overclock that CPU to around 4Ghz apparently.
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PostRe: What's the best graphics card for this?
by Gently-Parted Ringpiece » Fri Jan 15, 2016 6:03 pm

Also doesnt really help unless your focus is unthreaded applications or desktop use;

Certain games get a boost with the Pentium-AE overclocked, such as F1 2013 and Company of Heroes 2, but the overclocking is more important when it comes to multiple GPU scenarios. The downside of that conclusion is that an i3 is better at multiple GPU scenarios right off the bat, and for single GPU gaming the trend is towards games that can use the threads. This is a big discrepancy between when we used to overclock older CPU and today – the games today can use multiple cores. Having a lack of cores can really damage frame rates in some titles, especially when the amount of GPUs starts to rise. Unfortunately the only way to get more cores is to buy a better processor, or buy one that unlocks cores.
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PostRe: What's the best graphics card for this?
by HSH28 » Fri Jan 15, 2016 6:37 pm

Falsey wrote:Also doesnt really help unless your focus is unthreaded applications or desktop use;

Certain games get a boost with the Pentium-AE overclocked, such as F1 2013 and Company of Heroes 2, but the overclocking is more important when it comes to multiple GPU scenarios. The downside of that conclusion is that an i3 is better at multiple GPU scenarios right off the bat, and for single GPU gaming the trend is towards games that can use the threads. This is a big discrepancy between when we used to overclock older CPU and today – the games today can use multiple cores. Having a lack of cores can really damage frame rates in some titles, especially when the amount of GPUs starts to rise. Unfortunately the only way to get more cores is to buy a better processor, or buy one that unlocks cores.


The older games he's talking about almost certainly will benefit from it, obviously an i3 would be better but it'd probably be almost twice as much to buy too. If your focus is keeping costs down and playing reasonably old games I think an overclocked G3258 is not a bad bet.

The Digital Foundary 2015 budget gaming PC guide is worth a look...

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digit ... g-pc-guide

...like you say it pretty much concludes that for modern games the step up to a cheap i3 is probably worth the extra money, but it depends what games you want to play.
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PostRe: What's the best graphics card for this?
by Gently-Parted Ringpiece » Fri Jan 15, 2016 7:01 pm

Neither Assetto Corsa nor Arma 3 are old games.
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PostRe: What's the best graphics card for this?
by HSH28 » Fri Jan 15, 2016 7:28 pm

Falsey wrote:Neither Assetto Corsa nor Arma 3 are old games.


Assetto Corsa is over a year old, Arma 3 is over 2 years old. The games that they are talking about needing an i3 for are much newer and/or have much high system requirements.

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