WhatsApp to start being massive splits

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PostWhatsApp to start being massive splits
by Knoyleo » Thu Aug 25, 2016 6:46 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37184651

WhatsApp users to receive adverts

WhatsApp says it will begin sharing more data with Facebook and will start letting some companies send messages to users.
It is the first time the company has changed its privacy policy since the firm was bought by Facebook in 2014.
WhatsApp will now share users' phone numbers with the social network, which it will use to provide "more relevant" friend suggestions and advertisements.
One analyst said some people might feel "betrayed" by the move.
Data sharing
WhatsApp said sharing users' phone numbers with Facebook would help tackle spam and abuse, as well as offer people "better friend suggestions and more relevant ads".
Using the data, Facebook will be able to match people who have exchanged phone numbers, but have not added one another as "friends" on the social network.
WhatsApp will also share information about when people last used the service, but said it would not share the contents of messages, which are encrypted.
"Your encrypted messages stay private and no-one else can read them. Not WhatsApp, not Facebook, nor anyone else," the company said in a blogpost.
The company said users would be able to opt out of sharing information with Facebook by following the steps outlined on its website.
How can I opt out of data sharing?
The box to opt out of data sharing is tucked away in the app's terms and conditions
When prompted to accept the updated terms and conditions, tap Read to expand the full text
A check box at the bottom of the new privacy policy will let you opt out of the data sharing
WhatsApp states Facebook will still receive data in some situations

"When WhatsApp was acquired by Facebook it was able to reassure users that it would remain independent," said Pamela Clark-Dickson, principal analyst at Ovum.
"Now it's giving Facebook phone numbers - some might say that's a betrayal of trust. In a small way, it has gone back on what it said it wouldn't do."
Marketing messages
The updated privacy policy also paves the way for businesses to send messages to WhatsApp users.
The company suggested messages typically sent via SMS text message - such as airline flight alerts or bank balance updates - could be sent via WhatsApp instead.
It said that in addition to appointment information and delivery notifications, it would also allow "marketing" messages.
"Messages you may receive containing marketing could include an offer for something that might interest you," the company said.
Ms Clark-Dickson said users may not mind the service "if they can opt in and the messages are useful".
"It will help them generate revenue if they charge businesses a fee to send messages," she told the BBC.
"But WhatsApp needs to be careful, a lot of people use it because they don't get advertising there."
The company said it would test such messaging features in the coming months, but promised to avoid a "spammy experience" where people are inundated with ads, and said it would not display so-called banner ads in its app.
Other messaging apps such as China's WeChat have already enabled business-to-consumer communication to great success, but Ms Clark-Dickson suggested WhatsApp would take a different approach.
"WeChat is a content-driven platform," she told the BBC.
"It opened up its platform to third parties, letting people make payments, book taxis. That seems to be the direction Facebook is taking Messenger.
"WhatsApp has the potential to be a great communication facility, if it concentrates on a solid user experience as its differential."


banana splits. What's the fee you pay initially for? This is my main messaging app now. It'll be a massive pain in the arse to switch to a different app, as it's the one everyone I know uses.

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by Errkal » Thu Aug 25, 2016 6:49 pm

How dare a company provide a service for free and expect to be able to use the data to make money.

gooseberry fool happens life goes any other company would do the same. Unless you plan on making your own chat service for people to use it will be the same for anyone else.

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by Knoyleo » Thu Aug 25, 2016 6:52 pm

Errkal wrote:How dare a company provide a service for free and expect to be able to use the data to make money.

gooseberry fool happens life goes any other company would do the same. Unless you plan on making your own chat service for people to use it will be the same for anyone else.

Whatsapp charges though.

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by Death's Head » Thu Aug 25, 2016 6:53 pm

Errkal wrote:How dare a company provide a service for free and expect to be able to use the data to make money.

gooseberry fool happens life goes any other company would do the same. Unless you plan on making your own chat service for people to use it will be the same for anyone else.

It isn't free though, is it? Some people paid £1 to use it. They at least should get an ad free experience.

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by Errkal » Thu Aug 25, 2016 6:54 pm

They charges a silly fee ages ago after the first year it was like 79p or something, the was abolished a while back.

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by Oblomov Boblomov » Thu Aug 25, 2016 7:00 pm

A whole £1 for a service a lot of people use extensively every single day. How much do you think £1 is worth? :lol:

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by Death's Head » Thu Aug 25, 2016 7:02 pm

Errkal wrote:They charges a silly fee ages ago after the first year it was like 79p or something, the was abolished a while back.

Alright, Yoda.

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by Mafro » Thu Aug 25, 2016 7:03 pm

From January http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/n ... n-fee.html
However, Koum promised that WhatsApp would not follow Facebook and Instagram in introducing adverts, saying that it would fund itself with business accounts.

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by Pancake » Thu Aug 25, 2016 7:08 pm

I don't care about the data sharing. At this point my data is everywhere anyway, don't really see the point in worrying about it.

Ads can strawberry float off though.

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by Tragic Magic » Thu Aug 25, 2016 9:08 pm

Pancake wrote:I don't care about the data sharing. At this point my data is everywhere anyway, don't really see the point in worrying about it.

Ads can strawberry float off though.


This is the sad reality. The government and big corporations know our every move already anyway.

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by Errkal » Thu Aug 25, 2016 9:20 pm

Tragic Magic wrote:
Pancake wrote:I don't care about the data sharing. At this point my data is everywhere anyway, don't really see the point in worrying about it.

Ads can strawberry float off though.


This is the sad reality. The government and big corporations know our every move already anyway.


yeah the level of tracking in google maps is just scary.

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by Knoyleo » Thu Aug 25, 2016 11:04 pm

I'm fully aware of the level of data tracking that goes on, especially with Facebook and Google, etc. and sadly accept it as part of online life. At least you can control most of the data you give them if you root around the settings long enough. What I do object to, is a messaging app essentially selling my contact number to advertisers to allow them to message me directly. Not even Facebook messenger does that to me.

Whatsapp has basically replaced text messages for me, as it has for many people. Opening that up to advertisers is a massively intrusive thing to do. Imagine signing up to an email service that sends you spam as part of the package? Moving over to a different app is going to be difficult, because nothing else has the same universal reach whatsapp does.

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PostRe: WhatsApp to start being massive splits
by Buffalo » Fri Aug 26, 2016 2:59 am

I was wondering why my WhatsApp contacts were being suggested to me as potential friends on Facebook. I don't like that one bit.

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by Death's Head » Fri Aug 26, 2016 6:39 am

Knoyleo wrote:I'm fully aware of the level of data tracking that goes on, especially with Facebook and Google, etc. and sadly accept it as part of online life. At least you can control most of the data you give them if you root around the settings long enough. What I do object to, is a messaging app essentially selling my contact number to advertisers to allow them to message me directly. Not even Facebook messenger does that to me.

Whatsapp has basically replaced text messages for me, as it has for many people. Opening that up to advertisers is a massively intrusive thing to do. Imagine signing up to an email service that sends you spam as part of the package? Moving over to a different app is going to be difficult, because nothing else has the same universal reach whatsapp does.

Most of us do get spam through e-mail, regardless of whether it is a service we signed up for.

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by darksideby182 » Fri Aug 26, 2016 7:49 am

I don't remember paying anything for WhatsApp.

But I pay for virgin TV and it's full of strawberry floating adverts.

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by Squinty » Fri Aug 26, 2016 8:05 am

It's a free service, gotta make that money somewhere. I'm grateful for having it, although I'm not enthusiastic about some of things they are now doing. Still, it's one of the best apps you can get. I wouldn't mind being charged again if it meant my privacy was respected and adverts were non existant.

Go into your settings and turn data sharing off.

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by Venom » Fri Aug 26, 2016 3:29 pm

Thanks Knoyleo for the info I was able to opt out. A friend doesn't know if they had the message option. Is there a way to opt out after having agreed?

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by False » Fri Aug 26, 2016 3:37 pm

I think Id rather just pay, tbh.

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by KK » Fri Aug 26, 2016 3:44 pm

As someone who sticks almost exclusively to iMessage whenever possible, what's the big selling point of WhatsApp?

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by OrangeRKN » Fri Aug 26, 2016 3:46 pm

The big selling point of WhatsApp is that everyone uses it

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