When the Larvae Moult | The infection spreads | Post-mortem p.74

Gamma_Drum wrote:Ariel can you clarify?

It's OK with me. I'm happy to count "we don't want a leader" as a leader not being elected. Frankly I was programmed to enjoy shooting things and it's immaterial to me how we get there.

Lambda_Nun wrote:We'd only get dragged into that quagmire if you were as determined for us to be as you seem now.

Well if you're not going to discuss the person who picked it "randomly" - why let a person pick it and not just let it genuinely, unquestionably be random

If you don't want to be dragged into that quagmire, that last thing you should want is to let a person picked "randomly"

Lambda_Nun wrote:We'd only get dragged into that quagmire if you were as determined for us to be as you seem now.

Personally i'd even be quite happy to run on the platform of just randomly shooting someone who posted on Page 1 because the godfather/alpha has been in that group almost every game lol

Edit: Top bit was aimed at Hexx but there have been a few posts in the middle...

You should select someone using that logic and run on that basis

I'm off soon - still pushing No Vote/Random Kill. If it comes down to a close contest between Orange and Tomous though and needs to be swung - please consider my vote switch to Tomous.

At least he's standing on something we can judge, rather than "Oh I picked Randomly after elected with no way to verify")

Lambda_Nun wrote:Personally i'd even be quite happy to run on the platform of just randomly shooting someone who posted on Page 1 because the godfather/alpha has been in that group almost every game lol.

That's actually a good point. I've found the mafia are often some of the most active members, particularly early game. I guess it's a little more exciting when you've got a mafia role and you start off a lot less clueless so it's easier to dive right in.

Gamma_Hexx wrote:Orange Kill: We know who someone was. We have no idea if they were killed randomly or by choice by Orange. We can look at votes/discussions today

Alright, we could potentially resolve this if it was publicly decided who I should kill beforehand.

Lets make the assumption that there is least one enemy within every squad (that might not be true but it seems a reasonable assumption given we know the victory conditions and little else).

If I am innocent, then I should kill someone from within my squad, as (assuming one enemy per squad) I'll have a 1 in 8 chance of randomly picking a wolf compared to 1 in 9 for any other squad.

So who to choose from my squad?

Denster, Hype, Mog, Mini, Minoru have all posted in the thread.

Cribs, Grey and Tiarny have not yet posted.

I have not seen Grey or Tiarny viewing the thread at all, but I have seen Cribs lurking.

I have nothing else to go off, so by the logic that a reasonable wolf tactic is to avoid suspicion by being relatively inactive, I choose to kill Cribs.

Now if I'm elected AC and don't kill Cribs you can call shenanigans, and we no longer have to worry about random chance deciding things (which is the whole thing I wanted to avoid in the first place because that favours the wolves).

Fine i'll run on the basis of lynching one of the people who just posted a 'I'm team whatever woo' post. Mainly because I just dislike driveby posting like this.

Vote for me and i'll axe Mini E, Dan or Hyperion depending on whether they post in the next hour.

I'll vote for Orange.

Random maybe fairer so early in the game but having someone take responsibility could help confirm an innocent if they catch a Wolf. If they don't then they'll probably get lynched or be a distraction for a few days but it's better than having no information.

Delta_Orange wrote:

Gamma_Hexx wrote:Orange Kill: We know who someone was. We have no idea if they were killed randomly or by choice by Orange. We can look at votes/discussions today

Alright, we could potentially resolve this if it was publicly decided who I should kill beforehand.

Lets make the assumption that there is least one enemy within every squad (that might not be true but it seems a reasonable assumption given we know the victory conditions and little else).

If I am innocent, then I should kill someone from within my squad, as (assuming one enemy per squad) I'll have a 1 in 8 chance of randomly picking a wolf compared to 1 in 9 for any other squad.

So who to choose from my squad?

Denster, Hype, Mog, Mini, Minoru have all posted in the thread.

Cribs, Grey and Tiarny have not yet posted.

I have not seen Grey or Tiarny viewing the thread at all, but I have seen Cribs lurking.

I have nothing else to go off, so by the logic that a reasonable wolf tactic is to avoid suspicion by being relatively inactive, I choose to kill Cribs.

Now if I'm elected AC and don't kill Cribs you can call shenanigans, and we no longer have to worry about random chance deciding things (which is the whole thing I wanted to avoid in the first place because that favours the wolves).

I think I can illustrate my problem with you quite easy. How would you feel about standing on a platform to lynch a person I randomly picked (and posted in the thread)?

I'd assume you wouldn't like it - how do you know on what basis I picked etc, even with there.

But to be fair - this post contains a lot of good thoughts, and I prefer the route of "I've randomly picked X, vote for me" and I'll remove my "Tomous over Orange" caveat

I'd still rather we ruined someone's game randomly though. It just seems nicer (And with less blame )

Delta_Orange wrote:If I am innocent, then I should kill someone from within my squad, as (assuming one enemy per squad) I'll have a 1 in 8 chance of randomly picking a wolf compared to 1 in 9 for any other squad.

Wait. I missed this, and a fair bit of tone of post. That's a lot of rationalization on the basis of no evidence...and moving on from "random kill" to "based on my theories". That's no a "I pick randomly" approach at all

Gamma_Hexx wrote:I'd still rather we ruined someone's game randomly though. It just seems nicer (And with less blame )

This is literally the reason I wanted to pick randomly

Gamma_Hexx wrote:

Delta_Orange wrote:If I am innocent, then I should kill someone from within my squad, as (assuming one enemy per squad) I'll have a 1 in 8 chance of randomly picking a wolf compared to 1 in 9 for any other squad.

Wait. I missed this, and a fair bit of tone of post. That's a lot of rationalization on the basis of no evidence...and moving on from "random kill" to "based on my theories". That's no a "I pick randomly" approach at all

Well yeah you rightly said there is no way of knowing if I pick randomly, so the other option is to say a name upfront.

Would be funny if Gamma_Hexx is killed by a random choice.

when I say funny I of course mean devastating.

Closing in on the deadline, what are our options?

I see the following:

Orange (kill Cribs)

Tomous (kill Edd)

Nun (Kill Mini E, Dan or Hyperion)

"No vote" = Drone_Ariel (kill random)

as what have been put forward?

Delta_Orange wrote:

Gamma_Hexx wrote:I'd still rather we ruined someone's game randomly though. It just seems nicer (And with less blame )

This is literally the reason I wanted to pick randomly

Gamma_Hexx wrote:

Delta_Orange wrote:If I am innocent, then I should kill someone from within my squad, as (assuming one enemy per squad) I'll have a 1 in 8 chance of randomly picking a wolf compared to 1 in 9 for any other squad.

Wait. I missed this, and a fair bit of tone of post. That's a lot of rationalization on the basis of no evidence...and moving on from "random kill" to "based on my theories". That's no a "I pick randomly" approach at all

Well yeah you rightly said there is no way of knowing if I pick randomly, so the other option is to say a name upfront.

Yeah but you could have done a Tomous and said "Oh I randomly picked X, vote for me", rather than a argument removing all randomness including posting levels.

If you want it to be random - trust the drone

Gamma_Hexx wrote:Yeah but you could have done a Tomous and said "Oh I randomly picked X, vote for me", rather than a argument removing all randomness including posting levels.

If you want it to be random - trust the drone

That solves nothing though, posting in the thread upfront the name of someone you've picked "randomly" changes nothing if you are a wolf and selecting an innocent to kill, because there is still no guarantee it is random.

Hence I went the super shaky logic route instead.

Sigma_Jen wrote:Closing in on the deadline, what are our options?

I see the following:

Orange (kill Cribs)

Tomous (kill Edd)

Nun (Kill Mini E, Dan or Hyperion)

"No vote"

as what have been put forward?

I believe so.

Anyone got a total (Jen were you a no voter?)

What happens in the event of a tie?

I'd like to say I've been lurking because work is busy and I haven't had a chance to post yet (lunch now though so I can)

Just want to echo the sentiment of Hexx by asking why you'd want to get tied into a "random" lynch as that just creates trouble for you down the line

Obviously I'd also not like to get killed but if it happens it happens

I will therefore vote for a no vote or whatever, so we get a random lynch

I'll vote Orange, it's a drawn out what of doing it but better then going finger in the air and hoping for the best.

Delta_Orange wrote:Lets make the assumption that there is least one enemy within every squad (that might not be true but it seems a reasonable assumption given we know the victory conditions and little else).

I don't think that's a fair assumption at all. If it's one per squad it would be really obvious when a squad should fire their flair and therefore defies the point of them. It would also immediately clear the whole rest of a squad if an enemy was killed.

Edit: Oops, wrong account

You have just under five minutes.

Someone needs to take a count of the votes as well.