White man drives into crowd of Muslims leaving mosque in Finsbury Park

Notice the Mail still have to mention 'well-known' in their headline.

Albear wrote:The Christian community needs to do more to condemn this attack

We don't know that he was Christian.

The Nationalist movement and far right media are absolutely to blame though.

Trelliz wrote:

NickSCFC wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Squinty wrote:I expect there will be nutters praising this attack.

From Facebook (I don't know any of these people).

The use of "there" and "their" in those posts

...but that's the correct usage; "their" would imply ownership of something.

I was reading another lot of comments

I realise that, moggy mate . I wasn't being truly genuine.

Some guy just tried to interupt the sky interview outside Scotland yard. A lot of swearing on tv. Tensions are running very high

Albear wrote:I realise that, moggy mate . I wasn't being truly genuine.

Some guy just tried to interupt the sky interview outside Scotland yard. A lot of swearing on tv. Tensions are running very high

Oh I know you didn't mean it, I just think it's important to be clear that white supremacist extremism is to blame for this, just as Islamic extremism is to blame for other terror attacks.

The likes of the EDL and Britain First are just the other side of the coin to the hate preachers. They are all scum, all wankers and all banana splits.

Saint of Killers wrote:

captain red dog wrote:

Saint of Killers wrote:And there it is. Surprised it took this long.

I've heard that said, but was it really a long time all things considered? The PM had called it a terrorist attack before the 6am news when the overwhelming majority of people would begin to hear about it.

By there it is I meant a "revenge" attack. Wasn't referring to your post. Apologies for the mix up. (If that is what caused it.)

Ah sorry I thought you meant "there it is, surprised it took this long" in terms of them declaring it a terrorist attack. Lots of people on the radio were saying how long it had taken, but all things considered the PM called it a potential terrorist attack by 6am at least so I don't see any mainstream media bias at present.

EDIT: Not that I'm saying you were either, just a general discussion point I noticed from early reactions from witnesses.

I see people on the DM are arguing as to whether this was a terror attack or not. The oxford dictionary defines terrorism as

The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

So I would say it looks like a terror attack on the face of it. However it could end up being a hate crime, murder and attempted murder.

Also I would argue that anyone who commits murder is mentally ill but that not the government definition.

still wrote:

Moggy wrote:From Facebook (I don't know any of these people).

Why do people keep saying innocent people , praying at midnight , I don't think so , planning there next attack more like

I'm sorry, what?!

This makes zero sense.

There was a young Muslim woman killed yesterday on her way home from prayers in the USA, so these targeted hate crimes could be the next thing we start seeing. See Jewish people also.

Everyone will get bogged down in the semantics of what to call it because you can label this any number of things and they'd all be correct, but what this is all creating worldwide is the perfect storm of us vs. them. You can throw Brexit into the mix as well. As we've seen for many decades in America (though it's usually driven by religion in regards to white supremacy, so what you have is a religious based war on both sides), racist fundamentalism in general can be just as dangerous as ISIS. The ideologies can be different, but the outcome is the same: terrorise and divide.

I'd be very surprised if a radical interpretation of Christianity even comes into this attack. "I hate Muslims" and a feeling of revenge for the other attacks is probably about as deep as this one gets.

But as has become apparent for ages, how do you stop a guy in a large vehicle and a knife. What are you going to do, barricade every pedestrianised road from the pavement. In America or other parts of the world this could have easily been a vehicle and then a gun.

I think what idiots and absolute assholes like the guy in the story refuse to acknowledge is the fact the attacks they carry out they justify as being retaliatory attacks for the illegal war in Iraq and the bombing in Syria.

Doing this is only going to make them attack more innocent people.

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:I see people on the DM are arguing as to whether this was a terror attack or not. The oxford dictionary defines terrorism as

The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

So I would say it looks like a terror attack on the face of it. However it could end up being a hate crime, murder and attempted murder.

Also I would argue that anyone who commits murder is mentally ill but that not the government definition.

Of course they'll be arguing over whether it's a terror attack. The perpetrators, and people who support their ideals, will be horrified to discover this is being treated as an act of terrorism.

I bet these are exactly the kind of banana splits who would have supported Theresa May's abolition of human rights: let's see how they get on now they are being detained under the 2006 Terrorism Act.

Poser wrote:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:I see people on the DM are arguing as to whether this was a terror attack or not. The oxford dictionary defines terrorism as

The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

So I would say it looks like a terror attack on the face of it. However it could end up being a hate crime, murder and attempted murder.

Also I would argue that anyone who commits murder is mentally ill but that not the government definition.

Of course they'll be arguing over whether it's a terror attack. The perpetrators, and people who support their ideals, will be horrified to discover this is being treated as an act of terrorism.

I bet these are exactly the kind of banana splits who would have supported Theresa May's abolition of human rights: let's see how they get on now they are being detained under the 2006 Terrorism Act.

Yeah it's strange that we are not seeing the same "deport them and their families!" when it comes to this terrorist attack.

This ultimately being a numbers game, Muslims and Jews (who have their own security patrols now don't forget) have more to fear in this county if the hatred were to unfortunately escalate. As a vehicle for turning people against each other, it will work very well.

Moggy wrote:

Poser wrote:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:I see people on the DM are arguing as to whether this was a terror attack or not. The oxford dictionary defines terrorism as

The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

So I would say it looks like a terror attack on the face of it. However it could end up being a hate crime, murder and attempted murder.

Also I would argue that anyone who commits murder is mentally ill but that not the government definition.

Of course they'll be arguing over whether it's a terror attack. The perpetrators, and people who support their ideals, will be horrified to discover this is being treated as an act of terrorism.

I bet these are exactly the kind of banana splits who would have supported Theresa May's abolition of human rights: let's see how they get on now they are being detained under the 2006 Terrorism Act.

Yeah it's strange that we are not seeing the same "deport them and their families!" when it comes to this terrorist attack.

There's one problem: Who would take those braindead strawberry floaters?

BBC News wrote:The threat from extreme right-wing groups has been growing in recent years - 16% of all terror arrests in the year to March were classed as "domestic extremism".

Those who have turned to violence have tended to go for visible Muslim targets - namely mosques.

In 2013 an extreme right-wing Ukrainian man murdered a Muslim grandfather in Birmingham and tried to bomb three mosques.

The following year saw the jailing for 10 years of a man from the north-west who was researching bomb-making and mosques to target.

And just last December the Home Secretary banned "National Action", a group whose supporters have been investigated for planning violence.

support are troops

Eighthours wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Poser wrote:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:I see people on the DM are arguing as to whether this was a terror attack or not. The oxford dictionary defines terrorism as

The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

So I would say it looks like a terror attack on the face of it. However it could end up being a hate crime, murder and attempted murder.

Also I would argue that anyone who commits murder is mentally ill but that not the government definition.

Of course they'll be arguing over whether it's a terror attack. The perpetrators, and people who support their ideals, will be horrified to discover this is being treated as an act of terrorism.

I bet these are exactly the kind of banana splits who would have supported Theresa May's abolition of human rights: let's see how they get on now they are being detained under the 2006 Terrorism Act.

Yeah it's strange that we are not seeing the same "deport them and their families!" when it comes to this terrorist attack.

There's one problem: Who would take those braindead strawberry floaters?

I'm not advocating deporting anyone (unless they are actually foreign nationals). The point is when it's a brown skinned murderer the narrative is "deport them and their families!!" even if they are British born and bred.

The whole thing makes me feel sick and angry. The religious arseholes are banana splits, the nationalists are banana splits. Just all strawberry float off and leave normal people the strawberry float alone.

Moggy wrote:

Eighthours wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Poser wrote:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:I see people on the DM are arguing as to whether this was a terror attack or not. The oxford dictionary defines terrorism as

The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

So I would say it looks like a terror attack on the face of it. However it could end up being a hate crime, murder and attempted murder.

Also I would argue that anyone who commits murder is mentally ill but that not the government definition.

Of course they'll be arguing over whether it's a terror attack. The perpetrators, and people who support their ideals, will be horrified to discover this is being treated as an act of terrorism.

I bet these are exactly the kind of banana splits who would have supported Theresa May's abolition of human rights: let's see how they get on now they are being detained under the 2006 Terrorism Act.

Yeah it's strange that we are not seeing the same "deport them and their families!" when it comes to this terrorist attack.

There's one problem: Who would take those braindead strawberry floaters?

I'm not advocating deporting anyone (unless they are actually foreign nationals). The point is when it's a brown skinned murderer the narrative is "deport them and their families!!" even if they are British born and bred.

The whole thing makes me feel sick and angry. The religious arseholes are banana splits, the nationalists are banana splits. Just all strawberry float off and leave normal people the strawberry float alone.

But this it the problem - grouping people into "them" and "us", deciding that all people are arseholes because of some arbitrary factor such as race/religion/gender etc. There are no "normal" people - there are 6 billion people on the planet - many of whom are arseholes and many of whom are not and until we get to a point where we can move beyond the level of thinking that says "this person is foreign/muslim/christian/gay/black/white/ etc. therefore they must be an arsehole" then we are going to struggle to move forward.

Jenuall wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Eighthours wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Poser wrote:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:I see people on the DM are arguing as to whether this was a terror attack or not. The oxford dictionary defines terrorism as

The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

So I would say it looks like a terror attack on the face of it. However it could end up being a hate crime, murder and attempted murder.

Also I would argue that anyone who commits murder is mentally ill but that not the government definition.

Of course they'll be arguing over whether it's a terror attack. The perpetrators, and people who support their ideals, will be horrified to discover this is being treated as an act of terrorism.

I bet these are exactly the kind of banana splits who would have supported Theresa May's abolition of human rights: let's see how they get on now they are being detained under the 2006 Terrorism Act.

Yeah it's strange that we are not seeing the same "deport them and their families!" when it comes to this terrorist attack.

There's one problem: Who would take those braindead strawberry floaters?

I'm not advocating deporting anyone (unless they are actually foreign nationals). The point is when it's a brown skinned murderer the narrative is "deport them and their families!!" even if they are British born and bred.

The whole thing makes me feel sick and angry. The religious arseholes are banana splits, the nationalists are banana splits. Just all strawberry float off and leave normal people the strawberry float alone.

But this it the problem - grouping people into "them" and "us", deciding that all people are arseholes because of some arbitrary factor such as race/religion/gender etc. There are no "normal" people - there are 6 billion people on the planet - many of whom are arseholes and many of whom are not and until we get to a point where we can move beyond the level of thinking that says "this person is foreign/muslim/christian/gay/black/white/ etc. therefore they must be an arsehole" then we are going to struggle to move forward.

Eh?

By religious arseholes I mean terrorists that are murdering people on behalf of their imaginary friend.

By nationalist arseholes I mean terrorists that are murdering people on behalf of their imaginary "superiority".

By normal people I mean people that don't kill or commit violence.

Moggy wrote:By religious arseholes I mean terrorists that are murdering people on behalf of their imaginary friend.

By nationalist arseholes I mean terrorists that are murdering people on behalf of their imaginary "superiority".

By normal people I mean people that don't kill or commit violence.

How can you tell the difference between a religious arsehole and a nationalist arsehole?