Media/older generation's perception that games are for kids and how this can be changed

Anything to do with games at all.

Will youever "outgrow" videogames?

Yes - I feel I'm growing out of them
9
17%
No - Gaming has matured along with me
43
83%
 
Total votes: 52
User avatar
Partridge Iciclebubbles
"Special"
Joined in 2008

PostRe: Media/older generation's perception that games are for kids
by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:02 pm

NickSCFC wrote:
Moggy wrote:The difference is that movies and games are different mediums. The majority of a game follows the character the player is playing, the majority of a movie will be following several characters (good and evil) while also panning around to show other scenes of interest. Somebody playing a game wants something to do, just wandering through a jungle as Lara Croft would get boring quickly, especially as it is an action game series. Tomb Raider didn’t have much killing at first, but later instalments upped the guns and bad guy angle. Movies also do this just as in Rambo where the first film has hardly any killing and the later Rambo movies would butcher hundreds.


This alone would be boring in a movie too, so what is it that keeps people invested in movies that aren't been done in games?


Name me one movie that is just Lara Croft wandering through a jungle? ;)

Movies are a passive medium, you expect to sit there and be entertained. There are plenty of movies that don’t blow things up and have lots of death, but very few of them have big budgets. There are plenty of games that don’t have explosions and death as well, but they also are not of the big budget variety.

User avatar
Gemini73
Member
Joined in 2008

PostRe: Media/older generation's perception that games are for kids
by Gemini73 » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:08 pm

Moggy wrote:Somebody playing a game wants something to do, just wandering through a jungle as Lara Croft would get boring quickly, especially as it is an action game series.


You could have a Tomb Raider game where exploring lost civilisations, solving fiendish puzzles, escaping traps etc could be enjoyable without the need to kill everything in sight. As per my point above though, the devs chose to create a murder fest with very little thought to anything else. Somewhat ironically, given your point, this decision is what turned me off the reboot - it was boring.

“But I don't want to go among mad people,” Alice remarked. “Oh, you can't help that,” said the Cat: “we're all mad here".
User avatar
Yulehide
Member
Joined in 2008
Location: Autobot City

PostRe: Media/older generation's perception that games are for kids
by Yulehide » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:30 pm

Gemini73 wrote:
Moggy wrote:Somebody playing a game wants something to do, just wandering through a jungle as Lara Croft would get boring quickly, especially as it is an action game series.


You could have a Tomb Raider game where exploring lost civilisations, solving fiendish puzzles, escaping traps etc could be enjoyable without the need to kill everything in sight. As per my point above though, the devs chose to create a murder fest with very little thought to anything else. Somewhat ironically, given your point, this decision is what turned me off the reboot - it was boring.


I'd love to see a Tomb Raider (or Uncharted) game which has very little or no gunfights or killing and instead focused on exploration and puzzle solving.

Lara Croft GO is probably the closest to that we'll get unfortunately as violence and shooting things seems to be the main thing people want from AAA games these days.

Image
NickSCFC
Member
Joined in 2008

PostRe: Media/older generation's perception that games are for kids
by NickSCFC » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:35 pm

Ironhide wrote:
Gemini73 wrote:
Moggy wrote:Somebody playing a game wants something to do, just wandering through a jungle as Lara Croft would get boring quickly, especially as it is an action game series.


You could have a Tomb Raider game where exploring lost civilisations, solving fiendish puzzles, escaping traps etc could be enjoyable without the need to kill everything in sight. As per my point above though, the devs chose to create a murder fest with very little thought to anything else. Somewhat ironically, given your point, this decision is what turned me off the reboot - it was boring.


I'd love to see a Tomb Raider (or Uncharted) game which has very little or no gunfights or killing and instead focused on exploration and puzzle solving.

Lara Croft GO is probably the closest to that we'll get unfortunately as violence and shooting things seems to be the main thing people want from AAA games these days.


That's what I loved about Tomb Raider, each room/area felt like a puzzle and, other than fending off wildlife there wasn't much killing (only 3 human characters I remember).

They really need to take Tomb Raider back to its roots, shame it's too late for a 20th anniversary remake.

User avatar
OrangeReindeer
SONM & Cake Sec.
SONM & Cake Sec.
Joined in 2015
Location: Reading, UK
Contact:

PostRe: Media/older generation's perception that games are for kids
by OrangeReindeer » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:39 pm

Ironhide wrote:
Gemini73 wrote:
Moggy wrote:Somebody playing a game wants something to do, just wandering through a jungle as Lara Croft would get boring quickly, especially as it is an action game series.


You could have a Tomb Raider game where exploring lost civilisations, solving fiendish puzzles, escaping traps etc could be enjoyable without the need to kill everything in sight. As per my point above though, the devs chose to create a murder fest with very little thought to anything else. Somewhat ironically, given your point, this decision is what turned me off the reboot - it was boring.


I'd love to see a Tomb Raider (or Uncharted) game which has very little or no gunfights or killing and instead focused on exploration and puzzle solving.

Lara Croft GO is probably the closest to that we'll get unfortunately as violence and shooting things seems to be the main thing people want from AAA games these days.


The game Heaven's Vault may or may not interest you:


User avatar
Gemini73
Member
Joined in 2008

PostRe: Media/older generation's perception that games are for kids and how this can be changed
by Gemini73 » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:51 pm

This discussion reminded me of this. :lol:


“But I don't want to go among mad people,” Alice remarked. “Oh, you can't help that,” said the Cat: “we're all mad here".
User avatar
Knoëleo
Member
Joined in 2008

PostRe: Media/older generation's perception that games are for kids and how this can be changed
by Knoëleo » Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:00 pm

I was thinking about that exact scene as well. :lol:

"Is that all?"

User avatar
Garth of Christmas Future
Emeritus
Joined in 2008
Location: Norn Iron

PostRe: Media/older generation's perception that games are for kids and how this can be changed
by Garth of Christmas Future » Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:23 pm

Suggesting that I'll grow out of playing games is as ridiculous to me as saying I'll grow out of watching movies or TV shows.

If I live until I'm old and incapable of much physical activity, I expect gaming will form a big part of my retirement - VR should be pretty strawberry floating good by then!

User avatar
Advent7
Member
Joined in 2009

PostRe: Media/older generation's perception that games are for kids and how this can be changed
by Advent7 » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:24 pm

Knoyleo wrote:I was thinking about that exact scene as well. :lol:

"Is that all?"


DRACULA'S WHAT?!

User avatar
Yulehide
Member
Joined in 2008
Location: Autobot City

PostRe: Media/older generation's perception that games are for kids
by Yulehide » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:25 pm

OrangeRKN wrote:
Ironhide wrote:
Gemini73 wrote:
Moggy wrote:Somebody playing a game wants something to do, just wandering through a jungle as Lara Croft would get boring quickly, especially as it is an action game series.


You could have a Tomb Raider game where exploring lost civilisations, solving fiendish puzzles, escaping traps etc could be enjoyable without the need to kill everything in sight. As per my point above though, the devs chose to create a murder fest with very little thought to anything else. Somewhat ironically, given your point, this decision is what turned me off the reboot - it was boring.


I'd love to see a Tomb Raider (or Uncharted) game which has very little or no gunfights or killing and instead focused on exploration and puzzle solving.

Lara Croft GO is probably the closest to that we'll get unfortunately as violence and shooting things seems to be the main thing people want from AAA games these days.


The game Heaven's Vault may or may not interest you:



I don't like the art style and the animation (or lack of it) is a bit off putting.

Image
NickSCFC
Member
Joined in 2008

PostRe: Media/older generation's perception that games are for kids and how this can be changed
by NickSCFC » Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:44 pm

Garth wrote:Suggesting that I'll grow out of playing games is as ridiculous to me as saying I'll grow out of watching movies or TV shows.

If I live until I'm old and incapable of much physical activity, I expect gaming will form a big part of my retirement - VR should be pretty strawberry floating good by then!


I think VR will attract to people to gaming as a gateway, it'll certainly be huge once the performance is high enough and the price is low enough.

User avatar
Partridge Iciclebubbles
"Special"
Joined in 2008

PostRe: Media/older generation's perception that games are for kids and how this can be changed
by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:05 pm

NickSCFC wrote:
Garth wrote:Suggesting that I'll grow out of playing games is as ridiculous to me as saying I'll grow out of watching movies or TV shows.

If I live until I'm old and incapable of much physical activity, I expect gaming will form a big part of my retirement - VR should be pretty strawberry floating good by then!


I think VR will attract to people to gaming as a gateway, it'll certainly be huge once the performance is high enough and the price is low enough.


Isn’t that what the Wii was supposed to have done?

User avatar
Advent7
Member
Joined in 2009

PostRe: Media/older generation's perception that games are for kids and how this can be changed
by Advent7 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:10 pm

Oh come on, we all know plenty of mums who got into gaming playing mario carts on their Wii fits.

User avatar
Partridge Iciclebubbles
"Special"
Joined in 2008

PostRe: Media/older generation's perception that games are for kids and how this can be changed
by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:18 pm

Ad7 wrote:Oh come on, we all know plenty of mums who got into gaming playing mario carts on their Wii fits.


Yes that's my point. Harry Redknapp might have enjoyed the Wii for a couple of months, but he soon got bored and went back to his literate dog.

I am not sure that the cost of VR is going to lend itself to mass mainstream appeal. Even if the costs tumble, non-gamers are not going to want to stick a helmet on their heads and wander around like a Knightmare tribute act while experiencing motion sickness.

I think VR will be big, but I don't think it is going to convince many non-gamers that gaming is something worthwhile.

User avatar
OrangeReindeer
SONM & Cake Sec.
SONM & Cake Sec.
Joined in 2015
Location: Reading, UK
Contact:

PostRe: Media/older generation's perception that games are for kids and how this can be changed
by OrangeReindeer » Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:18 pm

Moggy wrote:Isn’t that what the Wii was supposed to have done?


Who do you think will still be buying Just Dance 2023 for Wii?

User avatar
Partridge Iciclebubbles
"Special"
Joined in 2008

PostRe: Media/older generation's perception that games are for kids and how this can be changed
by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:24 pm

OrangeRKN wrote:
Moggy wrote:Isn’t that what the Wii was supposed to have done?


Who do you think will still be buying Just Dance 2023 for Wii?


A better question is who isn’t going to buy Just Dance 2023 on the Wii? :datass:

NickSCFC
Member
Joined in 2008

PostRe: Media/older generation's perception that games are for kids and how this can be changed
by NickSCFC » Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:26 pm

Moggy wrote:
NickSCFC wrote:
Garth wrote:Suggesting that I'll grow out of playing games is as ridiculous to me as saying I'll grow out of watching movies or TV shows.

If I live until I'm old and incapable of much physical activity, I expect gaming will form a big part of my retirement - VR should be pretty strawberry floating good by then!


I think VR will attract to people to gaming as a gateway, it'll certainly be huge once the performance is high enough and the price is low enough.


Isn’t that what the Wii was supposed to have done?


Didn't do much to dent gaming's kiddy image though

Image

12 years later and I still detest those Miis

User avatar
OrangeReindeer
SONM & Cake Sec.
SONM & Cake Sec.
Joined in 2015
Location: Reading, UK
Contact:

PostRe: Media/older generation's perception that games are for kids and how this can be changed
by OrangeReindeer » Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:56 pm

NickSCFC wrote:12 years later and I still detest those Miis


Without miis we would never have got this

Image

So imo they were well worth it

User avatar
jawafour
Member
Member
Joined in 2012

PostRe: Media/older generation's perception that games are for kids and how this can be changed
by jawafour » Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:14 pm

I liked Miis. It was cool being able to "be yourself" in games and the funny / camp animations were great! Their simplicity was a good thing, too; I never liked the Xbox Avatars / PS Home characters as much because they got too detailed and - in my view - just weren't as fun to see. I'm sad that Nintendo has pushed Miis to the back of the cupboard as I feel they personified "Nintendo-ness"... as much as I like the Switch, the relative lack of personality (in comparison to the Wii / 3DS / Wii U) makes the system as bland as its competitors.

User avatar
Green Gecko
Director
Joined in 2008
Location: Sussex
Contact:

PostRe: Media/older generation's perception that games are for kids and how this can be changed
by Green Gecko » Fri Oct 12, 2018 8:43 pm

NickSCFC wrote:
Moggy wrote:
NickSCFC wrote:
Garth wrote:Suggesting that I'll grow out of playing games is as ridiculous to me as saying I'll grow out of watching movies or TV shows.

If I live until I'm old and incapable of much physical activity, I expect gaming will form a big part of my retirement - VR should be pretty strawberry floating good by then!


I think VR will attract to people to gaming as a gateway, it'll certainly be huge once the performance is high enough and the price is low enough.


Isn’t that what the Wii was supposed to have done?


Didn't do much to dent gaming's kiddy image though

Image

12 years later and I still detest those Miis

How can you claim a cutesy avatar clearly aped by the competition has that effect when my grandmother who's almost 90 years old felt she was able to participate in Wii Bowling?

Part of the problem ;)

To put in a distant perspective, I listen to a podcast regularly featuring the CEO of a fabrication machinery company, a post-frame barn builder and a marketing guy who makes stuff out of wood, a patently masochistic subject. They spent half an episode talking about Fornite, and they're into their late 30s and 40s, so I don't think this perception games are for the under 20s or tweens is really true anymore, I think it's more that gamer's are insecure about it and are ironically behind the times in their self-perception. Got video game bars and gaming nights and all sorts down this way too.

Support GRcade | t: @GRcade | FB: GRcadeUK | YT: GRcadeVideo | Twitch: GRcadeUK
Image
Image

Return to “Games”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Alvin Flummux, BobbyDigital, Krik Kringle, Peter Crisp, Supachipz and 55 guests