Media/older generation's perception that games are for kids and how this can be changed

NickSCFC wrote:

Moggy wrote:The difference is that movies and games are different mediums. The majority of a game follows the character the player is playing, the majority of a movie will be following several characters (good and evil) while also panning around to show other scenes of interest. Somebody playing a game wants something to do, just wandering through a jungle as Lara Croft would get boring quickly, especially as it is an action game series. Tomb Raider didn’t have much killing at first, but later instalments upped the guns and bad guy angle. Movies also do this just as in Rambo where the first film has hardly any killing and the later Rambo movies would butcher hundreds.

This alone would be boring in a movie too, so what is it that keeps people invested in movies that aren't been done in games?

Name me one movie that is just Lara Croft wandering through a jungle?

Movies are a passive medium, you expect to sit there and be entertained. There are plenty of movies that don’t blow things up and have lots of death, but very few of them have big budgets. There are plenty of games that don’t have explosions and death as well, but they also are not of the big budget variety.

Moggy wrote:Somebody playing a game wants something to do, just wandering through a jungle as Lara Croft would get boring quickly, especially as it is an action game series.

You could have a Tomb Raider game where exploring lost civilisations, solving fiendish puzzles, escaping traps etc could be enjoyable without the need to kill everything in sight. As per my point above though, the devs chose to create a murder fest with very little thought to anything else. Somewhat ironically, given your point, this decision is what turned me off the reboot - it was boring.

Gemini73 wrote:

Moggy wrote:Somebody playing a game wants something to do, just wandering through a jungle as Lara Croft would get boring quickly, especially as it is an action game series.

You could have a Tomb Raider game where exploring lost civilisations, solving fiendish puzzles, escaping traps etc could be enjoyable without the need to kill everything in sight. As per my point above though, the devs chose to create a murder fest with very little thought to anything else. Somewhat ironically, given your point, this decision is what turned me off the reboot - it was boring.

I'd love to see a Tomb Raider (or Uncharted) game which has very little or no gunfights or killing and instead focused on exploration and puzzle solving.

Lara Croft GO is probably the closest to that we'll get unfortunately as violence and shooting things seems to be the main thing people want from AAA games these days.

Ironhide wrote:

Gemini73 wrote:

Moggy wrote:Somebody playing a game wants something to do, just wandering through a jungle as Lara Croft would get boring quickly, especially as it is an action game series.

You could have a Tomb Raider game where exploring lost civilisations, solving fiendish puzzles, escaping traps etc could be enjoyable without the need to kill everything in sight. As per my point above though, the devs chose to create a murder fest with very little thought to anything else. Somewhat ironically, given your point, this decision is what turned me off the reboot - it was boring.

I'd love to see a Tomb Raider (or Uncharted) game which has very little or no gunfights or killing and instead focused on exploration and puzzle solving.

Lara Croft GO is probably the closest to that we'll get unfortunately as violence and shooting things seems to be the main thing people want from AAA games these days.

That's what I loved about Tomb Raider, each room/area felt like a puzzle and, other than fending off wildlife there wasn't much killing (only 3 human characters I remember).

They really need to take Tomb Raider back to its roots, shame it's too late for a 20th anniversary remake.

Ironhide wrote:

Gemini73 wrote:

Moggy wrote:Somebody playing a game wants something to do, just wandering through a jungle as Lara Croft would get boring quickly, especially as it is an action game series.

You could have a Tomb Raider game where exploring lost civilisations, solving fiendish puzzles, escaping traps etc could be enjoyable without the need to kill everything in sight. As per my point above though, the devs chose to create a murder fest with very little thought to anything else. Somewhat ironically, given your point, this decision is what turned me off the reboot - it was boring.

I'd love to see a Tomb Raider (or Uncharted) game which has very little or no gunfights or killing and instead focused on exploration and puzzle solving.

Lara Croft GO is probably the closest to that we'll get unfortunately as violence and shooting things seems to be the main thing people want from AAA games these days.

The game Heaven's Vault may or may not interest you:

This discussion reminded me of this.

I was thinking about that exact scene as well.

"Is that all?"

Suggesting that I'll grow out of playing games is as ridiculous to me as saying I'll grow out of watching movies or TV shows.

If I live until I'm old and incapable of much physical activity, I expect gaming will form a big part of my retirement - VR should be pretty strawberry floating good by then!

Knoyleo wrote:I was thinking about that exact scene as well.

"Is that all?"

DRACULA'S WHAT?!

OrangeRKN wrote:

Ironhide wrote:

Gemini73 wrote:

Moggy wrote:Somebody playing a game wants something to do, just wandering through a jungle as Lara Croft would get boring quickly, especially as it is an action game series.

You could have a Tomb Raider game where exploring lost civilisations, solving fiendish puzzles, escaping traps etc could be enjoyable without the need to kill everything in sight. As per my point above though, the devs chose to create a murder fest with very little thought to anything else. Somewhat ironically, given your point, this decision is what turned me off the reboot - it was boring.

I'd love to see a Tomb Raider (or Uncharted) game which has very little or no gunfights or killing and instead focused on exploration and puzzle solving.

Lara Croft GO is probably the closest to that we'll get unfortunately as violence and shooting things seems to be the main thing people want from AAA games these days.

The game Heaven's Vault may or may not interest you:

I don't like the art style and the animation (or lack of it) is a bit off putting.

Garth wrote:Suggesting that I'll grow out of playing games is as ridiculous to me as saying I'll grow out of watching movies or TV shows.

If I live until I'm old and incapable of much physical activity, I expect gaming will form a big part of my retirement - VR should be pretty strawberry floating good by then!

I think VR will attract to people to gaming as a gateway, it'll certainly be huge once the performance is high enough and the price is low enough.

NickSCFC wrote:

Garth wrote:Suggesting that I'll grow out of playing games is as ridiculous to me as saying I'll grow out of watching movies or TV shows.

If I live until I'm old and incapable of much physical activity, I expect gaming will form a big part of my retirement - VR should be pretty strawberry floating good by then!

I think VR will attract to people to gaming as a gateway, it'll certainly be huge once the performance is high enough and the price is low enough.

Isn’t that what the Wii was supposed to have done?

Oh come on, we all know plenty of mums who got into gaming playing mario carts on their Wii fits.

Ad7 wrote:Oh come on, we all know plenty of mums who got into gaming playing mario carts on their Wii fits.

Yes that's my point. Harry Redknapp might have enjoyed the Wii for a couple of months, but he soon got bored and went back to his literate dog.

I am not sure that the cost of VR is going to lend itself to mass mainstream appeal. Even if the costs tumble, non-gamers are not going to want to stick a helmet on their heads and wander around like a Knightmare tribute act while experiencing motion sickness.

I think VR will be big, but I don't think it is going to convince many non-gamers that gaming is something worthwhile.

Moggy wrote:Isn’t that what the Wii was supposed to have done?

Who do you think will still be buying Just Dance 2023 for Wii?

OrangeRKN wrote:

Moggy wrote:Isn’t that what the Wii was supposed to have done?

Who do you think will still be buying Just Dance 2023 for Wii?

A better question is who isn’t going to buy Just Dance 2023 on the Wii?

Moggy wrote:

NickSCFC wrote:

Garth wrote:Suggesting that I'll grow out of playing games is as ridiculous to me as saying I'll grow out of watching movies or TV shows.

If I live until I'm old and incapable of much physical activity, I expect gaming will form a big part of my retirement - VR should be pretty strawberry floating good by then!

I think VR will attract to people to gaming as a gateway, it'll certainly be huge once the performance is high enough and the price is low enough.

Isn’t that what the Wii was supposed to have done?

Didn't do much to dent gaming's kiddy image though



12 years later and I still detest those Miis

NickSCFC wrote:12 years later and I still detest those Miis

Without miis we would never have got this



So imo they were well worth it

I liked Miis. It was cool being able to "be yourself" in games and the funny / camp animations were great! Their simplicity was a good thing, too; I never liked the Xbox Avatars / PS Home characters as much because they got too detailed and - in my view - just weren't as fun to see. I'm sad that Nintendo has pushed Miis to the back of the cupboard as I feel they personified "Nintendo-ness"... as much as I like the Switch, the relative lack of personality (in comparison to the Wii / 3DS / Wii U) makes the system as bland as its competitors.

NickSCFC wrote:

Moggy wrote:

NickSCFC wrote:

Garth wrote:Suggesting that I'll grow out of playing games is as ridiculous to me as saying I'll grow out of watching movies or TV shows.

If I live until I'm old and incapable of much physical activity, I expect gaming will form a big part of my retirement - VR should be pretty strawberry floating good by then!

I think VR will attract to people to gaming as a gateway, it'll certainly be huge once the performance is high enough and the price is low enough.

Isn’t that what the Wii was supposed to have done?

Didn't do much to dent gaming's kiddy image though



12 years later and I still detest those Miis

How can you claim a cutesy avatar clearly aped by the competition has that effect when my grandmother who's almost 90 years old felt she was able to participate in Wii Bowling?

Part of the problem

To put in a distant perspective, I listen to a podcast regularly featuring the CEO of a fabrication machinery company, a post-frame barn builder and a marketing guy who makes stuff out of wood, a patently masochistic subject. They spent half an episode talking about Fornite, and they're into their late 30s and 40s, so I don't think this perception games are for the under 20s or tweens is really true anymore, I think it's more that gamer's are insecure about it and are ironically behind the times in their self-perception. Got video game bars and gaming nights and all sorts down this way too.