UK/EU 360 Price Cuts Confirmed - page 6.

Shadow wrote:
Sarge wrote:
Hmm...while I'm not calling you/your friend a liar I do find it very hard to believe that a 360 is returned everyday due to the RRoD.

As for the hardware failure thread, it's much quieter than it used to be...I remember it when it used on the first page on GR for days on end.

That's pretty much conclusive proof that even though the console might break down, they have improved the build of the machine & it's improved even more with the new 60gb machines.

I don't know how anyone can make that claim, they've been out for about a month and people have reported faults with them already.

I know it's gotten better, but it's still woefully unnacceptable and no-one should be telling people- "it's all ok, there's nothing to worry about any more everythings A-OK with the 360 ". If people are bothered about reliability of their machine then they should probably get a PS3, but like I said if you can put up with not having your console for a week whilst it's repaired, then the 360 has by the best software library around.

This is impossible to find out of course but I wonder how many mainstream gamers haven't bought a 360 because of it's unreliability.
Or have we all accepted that it's a brilliant but flawed console just so we can pursue our hobby.
Still the price cuts will help alot to the floaters now.

Sarge

MS confirms new wave of Euro Xbox 360 price cuts, £129/€179 Arcades

LONDON – 16th September 2008 - Imagine if friends and families had the ability to instantly watch movies and share pictures, live out their musical fantasies through "Lips" (iNiS Corp./Microsoft Game Studios) and "Rock Band" (Harmonix/MTV Games) and star in their own Hollywood classics with "You're in the Movies" (Codemasters/Microsoft Game Studios) - all from one console, starting at an estimated retail price (ERP) of only €179/£129.99. That is the Xbox 360™, and Microsoft today announced the new lower ERP for its Xbox 360 family of consoles in Europe. Now with an entry-level ERP of €179/£129.99 and offering a plethora of exciting and broad entertainment in the living room, Xbox 360 is the true home of mass market entertainment with something to offer for every interest and budget.

From Friday, 19th September, Xbox 360, which includes a 60GB hard drive and one wireless controller, will have an ERP of €239.99/£169.99. The Xbox 360 Elite, which comes with a massive 120GB hard drive enabling consumers to store huge quantities of content downloaded from Xbox LIVE™ Marketplace as well as their own music, will have an ERP of €299.99/£229.99. The Xbox 360 Arcade console, perfect for those wishing to make their first foray into the gaming and entertainment world of Xbox, will have an ERP of €179/£129.99.

The new ERPs are part of Microsoft's ongoing strategy to open up the ultimate in high-definition gaming and entertainment to an even wider audience, with something for everyone. A major part of this strategy is a new Xbox LIVE online experience coming to Europe this autumn that will reinvent home entertainment from the inside out, with a bold new look and feel that is fun, social and simple to use. It's the first time in history that a mass market consumer electronics device has been reinvented through free software, changing the way we play games, watch movies, and even become contestants in game shows. Along with the new Xbox experience, the Xbox 360 platform is offering a stunning games portfolio for all ages and interests this Christmas, with new titles for music lovers, family-friendly games, and exciting blockbuster titles for the committed gamer.

"We're proud to be expanding the reach of Xbox as the first next-generation console to break the €200/£150 barrier, making the platform up to €200/£170 less expensive than competitors" said Chris Lewis, Vice President, Microsoft Interactive Entertainment Business Europe. "History shows that the majority of console sales happen after this price point has been breached, and we're well positioned to take advantage of this mass market pricing. We're passing on the benefits of being the first console to sell over 20 million units worldwide, and of the ever-expanding ecosystem of Xbox, to consumers. We offer a large library of games and family entertainment for Xbox 360, with 90 titles coming between now and Christmas alone, and we're redefining what people can expect from entertainment with the new Xbox LIVE experience debuting later this year. Plus, with well over five million consoles sold to date the combination of the strongest games line up this Christmas, really innovative entertainment experiences and these groundbreaking new price points will ensure we continue to enjoy fantastic momentum in Europe."

clicky

Whatever happened to calling it an RRP? First it changed to SRP and now they're touting it as ERP.

I miss the good old RRP.

Sounds like they are going to attempt something of a re-branding though, which is good, they really need to make a big song and dance about this, make sure people know this is as good as the PS3 and less than half the price.

You can almost get an Arcade and a Wii for the price of a PS3 again now, they need to shout that from the rooftops.

Something Fishy

They need to get their new experience out I reckon. They also need to learn how to market. They sent poor old VP out to die again, no promotion at all.

And I bet the 360 will still be the worst selling console in the UK this Xmas.

The Arcade with a game for £130 will surely attract a lot of impulse buyers, including me!

£129.99 for an Arcade? That's amazing.

I can see some amazing christmas bargains, like a 60gb plus 4 top games for under £200, it is going to be hard for people to resist imo, the only negative is lowering the prices to such a degree may make people believe it is way inferior to the ps3.

something fishy wrote:As heat is the cause, that new the 65nm GPU must be the redesign we're waiting for surely?

Yes it is. Although the 65nm GPU will certainly help matters, I don't think it's going to be a miracle cure.

Something Fishy

Beans wrote:And I bet the 360 will still be the worst selling console in the UK this Xmas.

hmm. I don't thnik so in the USA for sure. Here it might well be very close. It's got the brand of the PS to battle but it's at an impulse price now which helps a lot.

Something Fishy

Octoroc wrote:
something fishy wrote:As heat is the cause, that new the 65nm GPU must be the redesign we're waiting for surely?

Yes it is. Although the 65nm GPU will certainly help matters, I don't think it's going to be a miracle cure.

if the cause is the GPU, why not? you mean the 65nm might still cause warping? I guess we'll only know after a while.

something fishy wrote:
Octoroc wrote:
something fishy wrote:As heat is the cause, that new the 65nm GPU must be the redesign we're waiting for surely?

Yes it is. Although the 65nm GPU will certainly help matters, I don't think it's going to be a miracle cure.

if the cause is the GPU, why not? you mean the 65nm might still cause warping? I guess we'll only know after a while.

If the GPU is the main cause there should be a big improvement, but there just seems to be something intrinsically broken about the 360.

I heard thar RROD was representative of something like 120 different faults, can't find a link for that though.

something fishy wrote:
Beans wrote:And I bet the 360 will still be the worst selling console in the UK this Xmas.

hmm. I don't thnik so in the USA for sure. Here it might well be very close. It's got the brand of the PS to battle but it's at an impulse price now which helps a lot.

Never mentioned the USA. I said the UK, but to say the Xbox brand has a strong a brand as the Playstation is laughable.

Something Fishy

Shadow wrote:I heard thar RROD was representative of something like 120 different faults, can't find a link for that though.

I'm pretty sure the GPU heat was the overhwhelming cause though. Thing will always go wrong but they will have improved it vastly if they have nailed that.

Something Fishy

Beans wrote:
something fishy wrote:
Beans wrote:And I bet the 360 will still be the worst selling console in the UK this Xmas.

hmm. I don't thnik so in the USA for sure. Here it might well be very close. It's got the brand of the PS to battle but it's at an impulse price now which helps a lot.

Never mentioned the USA. I said the UK, but to say the Xbox brand has a strong a brand as the Playstation is laughable.

ermm.. that's what I meant. It is battling a vastly more powerful brand.

something fishy wrote:
Shadow wrote:I heard thar RROD was representative of something like 120 different faults, can't find a link for that though.

I'm pretty sure the GPU heat was the overhwhelming cause though. Thing will always go wrong but they will have improved it vastly if they have nailed that.

I don't think they know whether they have fixed it or not. From the reports on the machine and leaks from ex testers etc it seems that Microsoft are trying new things and seeing how it works out kinda beta testing these new units and then fixing the problems as they arise.

I tried to tell Microsoft over the phone about my situation regarding drafts in the lounge which seems to cause the 360 to brick. They weren't interested, so I sent an email to their technical team and they replied thanking me for the information and that the issue was the first they had heard of and that they will be adding draft conditions to the testing process if more cases like mine are reported.

Will this new 60gig model have the Jasper mainframe?

Something Fishy

suzzopher wrote:
something fishy wrote:
Shadow wrote:I heard thar RROD was representative of something like 120 different faults, can't find a link for that though.

I'm pretty sure the GPU heat was the overhwhelming cause though. Thing will always go wrong but they will have improved it vastly if they have nailed that.

I don't think they know whether they have fixed it or not. From the reports on the machine and leaks from ex testers etc it seems that Microsoft are trying new things and seeing how it works out kinda beta testing these new units and then fixing the problems as they arise.

I tried to tell Microsoft over the phone about my situation regarding drafts in the lounge which seems to cause the 360 to brick. They weren't interested, so I sent an email to their technical team and they replied thanking me for the information and that the issue was the first they had heard of and that they will be adding draft conditions to the testing process if more cases like mine are reported.

That's interesting. Maybe it was causing significant temperature variations?

Mockmaster wrote:Will this new 60gig model have the Jasper mainframe?

Not initially. I'm waiting until after Christmas.

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