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PostRe: World Cup 2018 - CRO-ENG
by Parksey » Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:06 am

The thing is, you look at the make-up of the UK and obviously England is by far the most populous country, comprising about 85% of the entire population. Moreover, most of the national media are located in London. They have the most fans within the country and historically are the biggest and most "successful" team.

It's only natural the media focus on England so much, when it's 85% of their readership. Especially when they are the only home nation in the tournament.

I presume focusing on the team with the most fans, most interest and most "success" isn't on when it's England at the expense of the other home nations, but is fine when it's centred around Liverpool, United, City, Arsenal etc during the league season?

After all, why do the media focus on the likes of United and Liverpool? Because they have the most fans, there's more interest in them from the readership and they are more successful.

How you feel when you see people talking about England, is how fans of the other 15 or so Pl clubs (scratch that, how almost every other club) feel about the media's relentless focus on the same three or four at the top. And historically, within the UK, England has been "top". That hasn't mean we've always been the best or that we've been particularly good but that's just how it is.

The media stir up interest as it gets people reading their newspapers or watching coverage. They are there to whip up a story or an event. It's why transfer sagas get drummed up every summer (Pogba and United for example).

And there is interest in the other home nations. Wales got a lot of focus when they performed above expectations and got to the semi-final. And without sounding harsh, it's hard to give other nations coverage when there isn't anything to cover. When they do make tournaments, they get coverage though, again, if 85% of the population are English, what do you really expect? It's the way the fans are stacked, and as I have said, something say, Middlesbrough fans, or Burnley fans, or Ipswich fans, or Bournemouth fans, have to accept on a weekly basis.

And clearly the "it's coming home" stuff was basically just a viral meme that was intended as a bit of fun. It became a reason to stick it in almost everything. If you think every single person who posted it was deadly serious in believing we were actually going to win, you're deluded. We obviously had a kinder draw and people could envisage the final, but it was still a hashtag more about supporting your team than it was of proclaiming England world cup winners.

And I think the Germany comparison isn't entirely the same as "ABE". There will be some fans who are like that with Germany but, as I said at the time, Germany have knocked us out of 326 different football tournaments so was more of a rivalry in that sense. Bar the Euro play off in 1999, I don't think England have knocked out a home nation for quite a while (maybe Scotland in 96?). We don't meet that often in tournaments. And Germany were due to be our quarter final, so they were a team that potentially were impeding our progress in the competition.

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PostRe: World Cup 2018
by Poncho » Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:08 am

I'll miss the It's Coming Home memes and whatnot. It was like that first summer when Pokemon Go came out - everyone seemed just a little happier. Apart from the strange people who didn't get the memo that it was tongue-in-cheek.

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PostRe: World Cup 2018
by Tomous » Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:11 am

Poncho wrote:I'll miss the It's Coming Home memes and whatnot. It was like that first summer when Pokemon Go came out - everyone seemed just a little happier. Apart from the strange people who didn't get the memo that it was tongue-in-cheek.



“Did you enjoy the World Cup?”

“Oh god yes, it took me back to those days when Pokemon Go first came out :wub:

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PostRe: World Cup 2018
by Photek » Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:13 am

When Ireland beat Italy in the Euro's a good few of you here were really happy about it and I've never forgotten that. I don't think I've been Anti England at all in this thread apart from being amused when it goes awry but it didn't, England got the the WC semi finals with one of the youngest teams in the tournament (was it the youngest?). As I said before the Sweden game, they should come home Hero's and I'm sure they will.

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PostRe: World Cup 2018
by Poncho » Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:15 am

Tomous wrote:
Poncho wrote:I'll miss the It's Coming Home memes and whatnot. It was like that first summer when Pokemon Go came out - everyone seemed just a little happier. Apart from the strange people who didn't get the memo that it was tongue-in-cheek.



“Did you enjoy the World Cup?”

“Oh god yes, it took me back to those days when Pokemon Go first came out :wub:


And both ended up becoming a bit of a disappointment after a month.

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PostRe: World Cup 2018 - CRO-ENG
by Moggy » Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:18 am

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Moggy wrote:I’d agree England were in the “easier” half of the draw, but it is laughable to suggest they didn’t play any good sides.

Chris Waddle said Croatia was the only hard team they faced... :shifty:


And Chris Waddle is the god of football?

If Waddle thinks that Belgium, Colombia and Sweden are not hard teams, then he is worse at punditry than he was at penalties.

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PostRe: World Cup 2018 - CRO-ENG
by Photek » Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:19 am

Moggy wrote:
Photek wrote:
Moggy wrote:I’d agree England were in the “easier” half of the draw, but it is laughable to suggest they didn’t play any good sides.

Chris Waddle said Croatia was the only hard team they faced... :shifty:


And Chris Waddle is the god of football?

If Waddle thinks that Belgium, Colombia and Sweden are not hard teams, then he is worse at punditry than he was at penalties.

Well I paraphrased a bit, He said Croatia was Englands 'only real test so far'.

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PostRe: World Cup 2018 - CRO-ENG
by The Watching Artist » Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:24 am

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PostRe: World Cup 2018 - CRO-ENG
by Moggy » Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:28 am

Photek wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Photek wrote:
Moggy wrote:I’d agree England were in the “easier” half of the draw, but it is laughable to suggest they didn’t play any good sides.

Chris Waddle said Croatia was the only hard team they faced... :shifty:


And Chris Waddle is the god of football?

If Waddle thinks that Belgium, Colombia and Sweden are not hard teams, then he is worse at punditry than he was at penalties.

Well I paraphrased a bit, He said Croatia was Englands 'only real test so far'.


Chris Waddle is an idiot.

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PostRe: World Cup 2018
by Photek » Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:33 am

Harry Kane and Maguire both qualify to play for Ireland btw, Kane's relations down in Kerry had England flags all over the pub and even a signed England shirt from Harry himself.

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PostRe: World Cup 2018 - CRO-ENG
by sawyerpip » Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:44 am

Parksey wrote:Long post


Yes England is the biggest country, the most populous country and generally the 'best' country when it comes to football, and a lot of other sports. I I think it's easy to see why that can generate some resentment in the other countries, it's basically an inferiority complex.

In terms of the media, I've got no issue with the amount of coverage England got, as you say it's to be expected given that they were the only British team there, so in that sense I think it's slightly different from the media's coverage of club football which I agree is ridiculously biased. I did find some of the pundits a bit dismissive of the other teams sometimes, particularly Croatia, but I can put that down to excitement and confidence rather than arrogance.

I found the "coming home" memes hilarious. I think most people's annoyance came from the oversaturation than anything else.

Wales have met England five times in my lifetime, and we've lost every single one. Even in our most successful tournament ever (of the two we've ever made :lol: ) we still lost to England. I understand that we're not much of a blip on England's radar but it's definitely a rivalry from our perspective. This is probably fueled further by rugby culture - Wales v England is a massive rivalry in rugby, but whereas the majority of Welsh people grow up watching rugby and so carry that over to football, a lot of English have no interest in the sport.

To clarify, I'm not an 'ABE' supporter, I'm just trying to offer a different perspective.

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PostRe: World Cup 2018
by NickSCFC » Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:50 am

Photek wrote:When Ireland beat Italy in the Euro's a good few of you here were really happy about it and I've never forgotten that. I don't think I've been Anti England at all in this thread apart from being amused when it goes awry but it didn't, England got the the WC semi finals with one of the youngest teams in the tournament (was it the youngest?). As I said before the Sweden game, they should come home Hero's and I'm sure they will.


Always had a soft spot for Ireland and it's a shame they didn't make it this summer, expect to see them in the Euros though.

Scotland and Wales, on the other hand, can strawberry float right off.

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PostRe: World Cup 2018
by NickSCFC » Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:51 am

Photek wrote:Harry Kane and Maguire both qualify to play for Ireland btw, Kane's relations down in Kerry had England flags all over the pub and even a signed England shirt from Harry himself.


Is this a recent thing?

Always though support for England in Ireland would've been blasphemy.

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PostRe: World Cup 2018
by Tomous » Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:57 am

England did a Panama last night and tried to kick off and score while Croatia were still celebrating...

https://mobile.twitter.com/VJesenicnik/ ... 06/video/1


What are they doing :slol: :fp:

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PostRe: World Cup 2018
by Preezy » Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:04 am

Wonder why that wouldn't have been allowed?

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PostRe: World Cup 2018
by Photek » Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:12 am

It was Galway not Kerry.



A couple of his cousins.

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PostRe: World Cup 2018
by Meep » Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:13 am

I hope Croatia win but I kind of knew at half-time in Croatia v England that neither was good enough to beat France. The cup is pretty much theirs already at this point.

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PostRe: World Cup 2018
by andretmzt » Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:14 am

Tomous wrote:England did a Panama last night and tried to kick off and score while Croatia were still celebrating...

https://mobile.twitter.com/VJesenicnik/ ... 06/video/1


What are they doing :slol: :fp:


Some England players ran more in those 15 seconds than they did during the entire second half.

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PostRe: World Cup 2018
by Tomous » Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:15 am

Preezy wrote:Wonder why that wouldn't have been allowed?


What’s even funnier, is having seen it from a closer angle, if in some crazy world that was allowed, they’d have still strawberry floated it up because straight away, when Lingard passes it back to Rashford he’s offside :slol:

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PostRe: World Cup 2018
by Parksey » Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:21 am

Meep wrote:I hope Croatia win but I kind of knew at half-time in Croatia v England that neither was good enough to beat France. The cup is pretty much theirs already at this point.


It's not though. They are strong favourites but it's a one-off game and you have got to think you have some kind of chance. There are loads of variables that could possibly tilt your way and give you a slight edge - an early red card or penalty, a freak injury, the other team choking, your having the game of your lives, a flukey deflection, a flukey miss etc.

Obviously Croatia winning is going to upset the odds but they don't exactly need a miracle. It's not Man City versus Bromley Juniors. Croatia are a decent side, France are better. I think France would have probably preferred to play England to be honest. Though they probably would rather lose to Croatia if they had to, maybe.

I'm quite pessimistic in general and was uneasy with us playing Colombia or being ripped as overwhelming favourites against Sweden. But even had England got to the final, I would be clinging to that hope that in a one-off game, anything could happen. And in football, the odds are upset probably more often than in other sports. We wouldn't have been favourites, I wouldn't have expected us to win nor would I have been surprised at a defeat, but you go in to the game thinking that if things go your way you could win it.


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