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by <]:^D » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:57 pm

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Photek wrote:I wonder if a fit Lallana or Chamberlain would have made any difference?

Unlikely.

i disagree. Alli looked spent but we had already brought Dier on for Henderson and we didnt have another midfielder to bring on :(

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PostRe: World Cup 2018 - CRO-ENG
by Preezy » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:58 pm

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Photek wrote:I wonder if a fit Lallana or Chamberlain would have made any difference?

Unlikely.

i disagree. Alli looked spent but we had already brought Dier on for Henderson and we didnt have another midfielder to bring on :(

Ruben Loftus-Cheek was the solution there. Can't believe he didn't get on the pitch.

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PostRe: World Cup 2018 - CRO-ENG
by Tomous » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:59 pm

<]:^D wrote:
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Photek wrote:I wonder if a fit Lallana or Chamberlain would have made any difference?

Unlikely.

i disagree. Alli looked spent but we had already brought Dier on for Henderson and we didnt have another midfielder to bring on :(


I don't think Lallana would have made much difference but Chamberlain was looking very useful at Liverpool before his injury. I think he'd have been a decent option in the squad.

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PostRe: World Cup 2018 - CRO-ENG
by <]:^D » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:59 pm

Preezy wrote:
<]:^D wrote:
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Photek wrote:I wonder if a fit Lallana or Chamberlain would have made any difference?

Unlikely.

i disagree. Alli looked spent but we had already brought Dier on for Henderson and we didnt have another midfielder to bring on :(

Ruben Loftus-Cheek was the solution there. Can't believe he didn't get on the pitch.

:lol: i completely forgot about him :fp:

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PostRe: World Cup 2018
by PsychicSykes » Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:04 pm

Hime wrote:Fantastic dribbling? :lol: Sterling was disposed by almost everyone he tried to take on. Lovren should have been booked and arguably should have been to sent off in the first half. The whole 1 shot thing is also not painting the whole picture as Kane, Maguire and Stones all had headed efforts that they could have scored with and Lingard and Henderson had a couple of chances they could have done better with.

Sterling only got dispossessed twice last night and has been one of England's few creative outlets this tournament alongside Trippier. Agree that Lovren should've got booked, even legends like him make mistakes, but considering he only conceded two fouls in the first half, (And three overall) it's a little harsh to say he should've been sent off. We had some half chances that you mention but little in the way of clear-cut ones, which is what happens when you're playing a better team and they've got an icon like Lovren at centre-back. #MakeLovNotWar

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PostRe: World Cup 2018
by Photek » Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:14 pm

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Hime wrote:Fantastic dribbling? :lol: Sterling was disposed by almost everyone he tried to take on. Lovren should have been booked and arguably should have been to sent off in the first half. The whole 1 shot thing is also not painting the whole picture as Kane, Maguire and Stones all had headed efforts that they could have scored with and Lingard and Henderson had a couple of chances they could have done better with.

Sterling only got dispossessed twice last night and has been one of England's few creative outlets this tournament alongside Trippier. Agree that Lovren should've got booked, even legends like him make mistakes, but considering he only conceded two fouls in the first half, (And three overall) it's a little harsh to say he should've been sent off. We had some half chances that you mention but little in the way of clear-cut ones, which is what happens when you're playing a better team and they've got an icon like Lovren at centre-back. #MakeLovNotWar

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PostRe: World Cup 2018
by Photek » Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:22 pm

Modric also irked by English Media.

Luka Modric issued a withering rebuke to English journalists and pundits who had "underestimated" Croatia after his team's World Cup semi-final victory over England.

The Real Madrid star said detractors "should be more humble" and show greater respect after his side's 2-1 extra-time win shattered England's dreams of glory in Russia.

Modric, who will lead Croatia into their first ever World Cup final on Sunday against France, suggested his team had set out to prove a point.

"Especially English journalists, pundits from television, they underestimated Croatia tonight and that was a huge mistake," Modric said.

"All these words from them we take, we were reading and we were saying, 'OK, today we will see who will be tired'.

"And like I said they should be more humble and respect opponents more.

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PostRe: World Cup 2018
by Hime » Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:33 pm

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Hime wrote:Fantastic dribbling? :lol: Sterling was disposed by almost everyone he tried to take on. Lovren should have been booked and arguably should have been to sent off in the first half. The whole 1 shot thing is also not painting the whole picture as Kane, Maguire and Stones all had headed efforts that they could have scored with and Lingard and Henderson had a couple of chances they could have done better with.

Sterling only got dispossessed twice last night and has been one of England's few creative outlets this tournament alongside Trippier. Agree that Lovren should've got booked, even legends like him make mistakes, but considering he only conceded two fouls in the first half, (And three overall) it's a little harsh to say he should've been sent off. We had some half chances that you mention but little in the way of clear-cut ones, which is what happens when you're playing a better team and they've got an icon like Lovren at centre-back. #MakeLovNotWar

Not getting disposed isn't the same as fantastic dribbling and running lots isn't the same as being creative. Kane's chances were about as clear cut as they come for an (allegedly) world class striker. I'd admire for your love for a player who gets a lot of stick though.

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PostRe: World Cup 2018
by Cheeky Devlin » Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:42 pm

If Scotland had won the 2-2 draw game with England (Who had already qualified, regardless of the result I believe) during the qualifiers we would have gone through. One England goal kept us out of this World Cup. So that's why we're glad it's not coming home. :P

Seriously though I can't say I care either way. I was cheering on Croatia last night, but not through any ingrained hatred of the English but because I felt they were more of the underdog and the pundits/media were already writing them off as beaten. As the perennial underdogs ourselves I tend to support them as much as possible.

Scotland/England is the world oldest International fixture and we've always had what I've thought of as a friendly rivalry. Certainly I don't hold any genuine malice in any of the jokes I post. But I wouldn't cheer for Rangers in the Champions League (In theory obvs :lol: ) after Celtic went out so why would I cheer for England in an international tournament?

Yes there are those for whom it's not friendly and is due to a genuine hate for England and the English, but I've never met those people and I don't believe that's representative of the majority of Scottish people who view it as just a football rivalry. For example I felt Limmy was going a little too far with his trolling last night, but it's hard to tell when he's playing something up for a laugh or is being genuine

I'm genuinely disappointed for the England fans (Knuckle-dragging, Brexit voting ENGURLUND fuckwits aside) and I'm happy that you guys had such a good tournament. Mistakes were made both on and off the pitch sure and I can't say that I thought you deserved to win last night, but if Southgate can build on this team you're a genuine shout for the Euros and 2022. So well done for the fans and the players. Ha ha to the pundits and the media who were already planning the Final well before kick-off, and here's to the friendly rivalry continuing.

Slightly off topic my belief in our own team is higher than it's been in a long time. I genuinely feel like we're going to make either the Euros or 2022.

Oh and the #itscominghome meme went from amusing to obnoxious really strawberry floating quick up here. :lol:

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PostRe: World Cup 2018
by Preezy » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:03 pm

Photek you are obsessed.

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PostRe: World Cup 2018
by SandyCoin » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:06 pm

Photek wrote:Modric also irked by English Media.


He probably shouldn't read/watch it then.

Croatia media seems pretty tacky too. Posting images of English fans and players upset "Look at how the English cry" :fp: Or one English ref saying something negative about Croatia, and them attaching that to all English people :roll: . As far as I can tell, any time England lose to a country it's an excuse for a countries media to stir up dislike for the English.

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PostRe: World Cup 2018
by Vermilion » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:22 pm

In the spirit of brexit, i think the match should be played again as we didn't get the result we wanted first time around.

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PostRe: World Cup 2018
by DML » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:26 pm

Vermilion wrote:In the spirit of brexit, i think the match should be played again as we didn't get the result we wanted first time around.


Only because Croatia can't carry out their promise to play in the final? ;)

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PostRe: World Cup 2018 - CRO-ENG
by DML » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:27 pm

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Thank god for Croatia, could hardly put up with all the nonsense for a day more :lol: First decent team England come up against all tournament and they lose.


First semi final since 1990, kindly get strawberry floated you gloating wanker.

So angry. :lol:


Wow :lol: DML you have to be able to take it as much as you give it out (even though I think we are all a bit guilty of this sometimes :slol: )


Felt deserved on this occassion, sorry.

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PostRe: World Cup 2018
by Snowcannon » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:51 pm

Cheeky Devlin wrote:Oh and the #itscominghome meme went from amusing to jealousy really strawberry floating quick up here. :lol:


Corrected ;)

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PostRe: World Cup 2018
by SandyCoin » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:00 pm

Not living in England I've not really seen or heard what's been said by pundits etc. Had they really dismissed Croatia completely? Or was it more they just felt England would win? As if it's the latter I don't see that as arrogance. Or was it just Ian Wright getting overly excited as usual?

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PostRe: World Cup 2018
by Preezy » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:05 pm

SandyCoin wrote:Not living in England I've not really seen or heard what's been said by pundits etc. Had they really dismissed Croatia completely? Or was it more they just felt England would win? As if it's the latter I don't see that as arrogance. Or was it just Ian Wright getting overly excited as usual?

Wrighty was just showing the pashun, which is to be expected as he's a "character", but I felt on the whole the punditry (on TV at least) seemed to think that whilst Croatia were a good side, England had enough to hurt them, which I think is a fair analysis. I don't think anyone said "this team is shite, we should be smashing them". It's obvious that when a team has a Madrid/Barca midfield, it's going to be half-decent.

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PostRe: World Cup 2018
by Moggy » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:14 pm

Vermilion wrote:In the spirit of brexit, i think the match should be played again as we didn't get the result we wanted first time around.


We are, it’s on 12 October.

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PostRe: World Cup 2018
by Parksey » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:17 pm

No-one rational was getting carried away with themselves. Most agreed that it would be the first stern test England had faced and probably the first team where you could say on paper they were better than England. Quite a few places heaped praise on Modric and said he was a world class player and there was no equivalent in the England midfield. Most said that the midfield three of Croatia were as strong as any in the tournament but our pace and energy could cause them problems.

Some hoped they would be tired as the game progressed due to them having to go through two penalty shootouts. There was a sense too that they hadn't really performed that well in their knockout games so far, though that had been tipped as dark horses when they bear Argentina.

As I said earlier I think some misunderstand the naive optimism of the English and the fact we get carried away as something malicious or unfounded. We often don't honestly think we will win it, just dream that we could. Even when expectations are tempered we find signs to think that we might break with convention and do something. We came very close to actually doing it that year. Likewise as I said before about the "coming home" memes. No-one sensible was actually saying with certainty "it's coming home", it was just a way of showing your faith in the side and of supporting them, as well as having a bit of a laugh with fellow supporters.

I don't think the media have been disrespectful to Croatia at all and it's ironic that now they've progressed, some of their players are lambasting us and telling us to be "humble", all the while their press call us "unbelievably inferior" and laugh at our crying fans.

If going to a tournament, enjoying yourself and hoping you can win it makes you lack humility, then what are they going to think of the French? Who actually should probably win it and have been the best team throughout?

Like I said earlier, what's the point in playing sport if you don't think there's a chance, however small, that you could win? What's the point in going there and not having any faith in your team or in your abilities? What's the point in going there and not all enjoying it?

This was probably the most carefree and humble England team we've had for a while, so I don't know why the Croatians have felt so prickly about it. Would it have pleased them more if we had been shouting from the stands: "Well you're a young team but we'll all come and buy tickets in four years".

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PostRe: World Cup 2018
by Death's Head » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:41 pm

Fairest thing to do is let whoever wins the match out of Belgium and England have another crack at whoever wins out of Croatia and France. That seems the fairest thing to do and a much better way to decide who should win the world cup.

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