Xbox One "sales" Thread - Gaming revenue up 64% & hardware revenue up 49%.

[NickSCFC]

Friendly reminder that the 360 had supply issues at launch, so the 60% increase figure is probably due to Microsoft making more Xbones than the 360 over the same time period. Indeed, the fact that they're having to reduce manufacturing to clear out the channel indicates that units have been stuck on shelves.

Delusi. Stay out of these threads. Nobody really cares.

Why, are posts on Xbox One only valid when they're positive?

[Delusibeta]

Cool - thanks, MM. So MS shipped more consoles in Q4 than in the previous Q4, but fewer than in Q3.

I guess this could (and is) being viewed either way - Xbox 'fans' can point out the year-on-year improvement, whilst Xbox 'haters' can point at the decline from Q3 to Q4.

The problem is that there's been a new console launch in the meantime. A 10% increase year on year in Xbox brand consoles shipped is therefore less than impressive.

[jawafour]

I suspect that Photek is frustrated with the XBO-bashing. Yeah, some of the stuff posted may be factually correct, but why do some folk want to spend time posting negative stuff in the thread? It's obvious that they have no interest in the XBO outside of looking for ways to get little digs in.

[Zellery]

I suspect that Photek is frustrated with the XBO-bashing. Yeah, some of the stuff posted may be factually correct, but why do some folk want to spend time posting negative stuff in the thread? It's obvious that they have no interest in the XBO outside of looking for ways to get little digs in.

Not to mention that Nick and Delusi have already been banned for this very behaviour before.

I honestly don't know how they can be bothered to put so much effort into making sure everybody knows that they dislike a particular product.

[Harry Bizzle]

I have no idea how to interpret that number. I thought Q4 was July 2014 to September 2014 in the US.

The fact that they're still in a hardware draw down or whatever probably isn't the greatest news, though.





edit: When in doubt, go to GAF:

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Xbox One

  FY          Jl-Sp    Oc-Dc    Ja-Mr    Ap-Jn      FY       LTD

2013/14         -       3.9     1.2        ???        5.1      5.1

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Xbox 360

  FY          Jl-Sp    Oc-Dc    Ja-Mr    Ap-Jn      FY       LTD

2005/06         -       1.5      1.7      [b]1.8[/b]       5.0      5.0

2006/07        1.0      4.4      0.5      [b]0.7[/b]       6.6      11.6
   
2007/08        1.8      4.3      1.3      [b]1.3[/b]       8.7      20.3 
 
2008/09        2.2      6.0      1.7      [b]1.2[/b]       11.2     31.5 
   
2009/10        2.1      5.2      1.5      [b]1.5[/b]       10.3     41.8

2010/11        2.8      6.3      2.7      [b]1.7[/b]       13.7     55.3

2011/12        2.3      8.2      1.4      [b]1.1 [/b]      13.0     68.3

2012/13        1.7      5.9      1.3      [b]1.0[/b]       9.9      78.2

2013/14        1.2      3.5      0.8       ???      5.5      83.7

So basically those ???s together are equal to 1.1 million.

Those bold figures are the numbers of Xbox 360s they've sold over the same quarter every year.

So basically in the last quarter they sold less Xbox Ones than they've sold Xbox 360s in 7 out of the 8 previous FYs that the Xbox 360 was available in.

NPD figures from that quarter put the Xbox One at ~389k and Xbox 360 at 190k. So that puts their worldwide figures for Q4 at <900k for Xbox One at best. In contrast, the PS4 sold 665k in the US.

Didn't expect things to be that bad.


One of the Xbox reps mentioned that they aren't in very many markets yet. I wonder how much of a difference those will make when they launch later this year. They're launching it in quite a few different countries.

[NickSCFC]

Problem is the remaining countries saw weak 360 sales, hence why XBO hasn't launched there yet.

[Photek]

Cool - thanks, MM. So MS shipped more consoles in Q4 than in the previous Q4, but fewer than in Q3.

I guess this could (and is) being viewed either way - Xbox 'fans' can point out the year-on-year improvement, whilst Xbox 'haters' can point at the decline from Q3 to Q4.

This.

But I see the haters have taken over the thread already. Well played.

[Buffalo]

Seeing the same 3/4 bawl their eyes out and stamp their feet at any bad news is actually worse reading than the people posting it.
You're going to have to get a bit of a grip.

[jawafour]

Seeing the same 3/4 bawl their eyes out and stamp their feet at any bad news is actually worse reading than the people posting it.
You're going to have to get a bit of a grip.

Bit harsh, Buff. There hasn't really been 'bad news' - the figures and the perception are just being spun to suit the viewpoint and/or agenda of whoever is posting. I can see why a mod would get frustrated, though, as this thread is pretty much like a playground.

[Denster]

I dont think the figures are being spun. It's just that two of the people posting them are known critics of the xbox one. To be fair you dont have to spin the figures to make them look bad.

[Delusibeta]

Also worth noting is that Microsoft is reporting gross revenue (which is useless) and not operating profit, which implies they're eating a fat loss somewhere.

[Harry Bizzle]

I guess this could (and is) being viewed either way - Xbox 'fans' can point out the year-on-year improvement, whilst Xbox 'haters' can point at the decline from Q3 to Q4.

Can't really be viewed either way. Last Q4 they sold 1 million 360s and this Q4 combined XBO and 360 sales were 1.1 million.

[NickSCFC]

Cool - thanks, MM. So MS shipped more consoles in Q4 than in the previous Q4, but fewer than in Q3.

I guess this could (and is) being viewed either way - Xbox 'fans' can point out the year-on-year improvement, whilst Xbox 'haters' can point at the decline from Q3 to Q4.

This.

But I see the haters have taken over the thread already. Well played.

What hate? There's only been statistics, figures and reasonable assumptions posted. You only see this as hate as it upsets you.

[HSH28]

I guess this could (and is) being viewed either way - Xbox 'fans' can point out the year-on-year improvement, whilst Xbox 'haters' can point at the decline from Q3 to Q4.

Can't really be viewed either way. Last Q4 they sold 1 million 360s and this Q4 combined XBO and 360 sales were 1.1 million.

Or you could view it that they've managed to sell slightly more Xbox One's in its first financial year than they did in the 360s first financial year.

[Parksey]

I dont think the figures are being spun. It's just that two of the people posting them are known critics of the xbox one. To be fair you dont have to spin the figures to make them look bad.

It isn't just the Xbone though. The Wii U thread often falls victim to the same thing - where people with no real interest in the machine ride on the back of the latest sales figures. And, to be honest, there is often some weight to their arguments when the figures can be as bad as the Wii U's. It's just annoying when you know they have no other interest in the console.

So it's something other machines/thread users have to put up with too. The Wii U lot - like Jaws and SupaChimpz - usually don't really care when someone mentions the Wii U is failing (badly) whereas in here people seem to react personally to it, which won't really deter from people posting negative news.

Let's face it, there are negatives for every console and it isn't always down to sales. Any Wii thread would occasionally be punctuated by three or four posters who clearly disliked the console and what it stood for, and would pop up from time to time.

Some people will always be negative about something, and often these people will like to see a product do badly just because they don't buy into it themselves (again, see the Wii U thread, where non-owners come in to laugh at it). Unfortunately, poor sales figures often write their own headlines, and give weight to some nsysayers' views.

Every machine gets them. To be honest, you sort of have to take the rough with the smooth. You can't just only read positive things about a product you like. This place would be really dull otherwise. See: people jumping on Maf in TLOU thread. The odd negative opinion is something different and, with regards to TLOU, I find myself reading his posts and thinking: "Ah, so I am not weird for thinking this isn't the nest game of the last six years".

It's often how people react to this that creates thelong tit-for-tat exchanges that turn into petty console war-style arguments. As I said, the pro Wii U guys don't tend to counter to such negative posts, get personally defensive or even try to put false spin on things (admittedly, it's hard to counter the Wii U's sales performance), but it does mean that the thread is one of the best in GGC, with regards to the atmosphere within it.

[jawafour]

Blimey, Nick, you really are full of it. "There's only been statistics, figures and reasonable assumptions posted." I gotta hand it to you - you have made me laugh :-).

[NickSCFC]

Blimey, Nick, you really are full of it. "There's only been statistics, figures and reasonable assumptions posted." I gotta hand it to you - you have made me laugh .

Care to quote what's made you laugh?

[jawafour]

(some fair comments to calm tempers)

Great post, Parksey. I think the Wii U thread went through a similarly bad phase as to what the XBO threads now seem to be going through. Eventually it passed and it's now pretty decent. Hopefully the XBO threads will move on in a similar fashion, too. I can see that it does help boost conversation by having the odd grenade thrown into a thread; but some guys seem to have whole strings of grenades that they chuck about. I guess it's best to ignore comments that rile and focus on the more positive stuff instead.

Nick, I'm not gonna carry it on.

[Harry Bizzle]

I guess this could (and is) being viewed either way - Xbox 'fans' can point out the year-on-year improvement, whilst Xbox 'haters' can point at the decline from Q3 to Q4.

Can't really be viewed either way. Last Q4 they sold 1 million 360s and this Q4 combined XBO and 360 sales were 1.1 million.

Or you could view it that they've managed to sell slightly more Xbox One's in its first financial year than they did in the 360s first financial year.

This is true, but you would expect the follow up to the Xbox 360 to have a better start than the follow up to the original Xbox, wouldn't you? I don't think the sales of the XBO are in keeping with the huge amount of marketshare they gained with the 360. People on GAF have mentioned that the 360 was supply constrained in its first few months. I don't know if that's true.


As I've mentioned, my feeling is that they're being thumped so completely because they're not even in half the markets Sony are in, but I don't think that's all of it. I think PR Disaster 2013TM has done them quite a bit of harm.

[NickSCFC]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markrogowsk ... r=yahootix

Disappearing Act: Xbox Sales Plummet While Microsoft's Other Devices Continue To Struggle

Microsoft’s mixed results have largely pleased Wall Street. But the good news on cloud services and stabilization in the PC market can’t mask an ugly truth for the software giant: All of its hardware divisions are performing somewhere between terrible and absolutely dreadful. The worst among them, though, was the Xbox division where the rapid deterioration of Microsoft’s console business may lead to another round of calls to spin the division off.

Things aren’t a lot better for Surface, which is at best treading water, or the Lumia smartphone group, which performed the best of the three albeit not by much. Here’s a look at how Xbox, Surface and Lumia are faring:

Xbox: One console, many problems

As Erik Kain reported here last week, the U.S. retail numbers for Xbox One don’t look that awful. The PS4 beat it handily at retail in June, by 36%, but with nearly 197,000 units sold, Xbox One seems to have benefited from its recent price cut.

That said, Microsoft can’t hide the fact that sales have been so tepid in 2014, it’s been working through channel inventory and manufacturing barely any new consoles. Consider these stats: In the prior quarter, Microsoft reported 2 million console sales of which 1.2 million were the Xbox One. That means the company was moving about 800,000 Xbox 360s just three months ago.

If we assume that the 360 is selling similarly at this point, then this quarter’s 1.1 million consoles likely consisted of just 300,000 Xbox Ones. To get a sense of how terrible that is, it’s as bad as Nintendo’s Wii U results for the quarter that ended in May.

Now, before anyone asks: How can Microsoft sell nearly 200,000 Xbox Ones in the U.S. in June alone if it shipped 300,000 worldwide for the entire quarter? The answer is that the channel has been sitting on too many consoles for and it’s now working through that backlog.

Going forward, that almost certainly means more Xbox sales, but unless Microsoft cuts into Sony’s substantial lead sometime soon, it risks becoming the also-ran of this generation. And it doesn’t help that despite saying nice things about Xbox, new CEO Satya Nadella doesn’t seem especially committed to it.

In his now infamous 3,100 word memo on the company’s future, Nadella spent one paragraph on Xbox. He talked about its importance, but it’s hard to see how it’s very strategic for a company that Nadella described as ”the productivity and platform company for the mobile-first and cloud-first world."

Regarding the rest of the article it's not hard to see why Microsoft are in trouble, it's July 2014 and my Windows Phone still has no NOTIFICATION CENTRE!