Xbox One "sales" Thread - Gaming revenue up 64% & hardware revenue up 49%.

[cooldawn]

The PS3 got a pretty good bashing for months, even years. People should stop acting like it should only ever happens to one particular platform.

Besides, information in this thread has been stats and figures and a little mathematics imported from NeoGAF...not the 'horrid conjecture' and piss-tanking the PS3 got for a long period of time. This thread is tame in comparison.

So what, the XBO has been selling way less than it's main competitor. Does that mean it's a bad system? No. Microsoft strawberry floated up the reveal and have been chasing it's own tail ever since. Compounded by a competitor with more powerful and cheaper hardware...is this really a surprise to core XBOX customers?

[finish.last]

So what, the XBO has been selling way less than it's main competitor. Does that mean it's a bad system? No. Microsoft strawberry floated up the reveal and have been chasing it's own tail ever since. Compounded by a competitor with more powerful and cheaper hardware...is this really a surprise to core XBOX customers?

This pretty much sums it all up for me, to be honest. I'm lucky enough to own the three current consoles and I honestly couldn't give much of a gooseberry fool which one sells the most or makes the most money. As it stands, all three seem pretty viable, have some great games on them and look to be getting a whole lot more great games in the coming months.

That's got to be 'win-win' for gamers, hasn't it?

[HSH28]

I guess this could (and is) being viewed either way - Xbox 'fans' can point out the year-on-year improvement, whilst Xbox 'haters' can point at the decline from Q3 to Q4.

Can't really be viewed either way. Last Q4 they sold 1 million 360s and this Q4 combined XBO and 360 sales were 1.1 million.

Or you could view it that they've managed to sell slightly more Xbox One's in its first financial year than they did in the 360s first financial year.

This is true, but you would expect the follow up to the Xbox 360 to have a better start than the follow up to the original Xbox, wouldn't you? I don't think the sales of the XBO are in keeping with the huge amount of marketshare they gained with the 360. People on GAF have mentioned that the 360 was supply constrained in its first few months. I don't know if that's true.


As I've mentioned, my feeling is that they're being thumped so completely because they're not even in half the markets Sony are in, but I don't think that's all of it. I think PR Disaster 2013TM has done them quite a bit of harm.

Not when it costs £150 more per unit. The fact its sold more or less the same despite costing significantly more isn't anything but a win.

[jawafour]

(some fair comments to calm tempers)

...Nick, I'm not gonna carry it on.

I'm sorry but you can't just go accusing people of being "full of it" then back down when you're asked to carry out the simple task of quoting what you're referring to.

Ok - fair enough. I'm not gonna waste time delving too deeply into the XBO threads because you've since edited your post; pasting over it with another XBO sales update instead.

There's only been statistics, figures and reasonable assumptions posted."

First example I found > http://grcade.co.uk/t:xbox-one-sales-thread---over-1m-sold-in-less-than-24-hou?f=2&st=0#p3286540

I'm conscious that this could be seen as baby-ish, and that I should be above it, but I've had personal messages sent and then a request posted in the thread so it's hard to turn the other cheek.

[Harry Bizzle]

Not when it costs £150 more per unit.

That's true actually. Still can't believe they settled on that price.

[Harry Bizzle]

That said, Microsoft can’t hide the fact that sales have been so tepid in 2014, it’s been working through channel inventory and manufacturing barely any new consoles. Consider these stats: In the prior quarter, Microsoft reported 2 million console sales of which 1.2 million were the Xbox One. That means the company was moving about 800,000 Xbox 360s just three months ago.

If we assume that the 360 is selling similarly at this point, then this quarter’s 1.1 million consoles likely consisted of just 300,000 Xbox Ones. To get a sense of how terrible that is, it’s as bad as Nintendo’s Wii U results for the quarter that ended in May.

Now, before anyone asks: How can Microsoft sell nearly 200,000 Xbox Ones in the U.S. in June alone if it shipped 300,000 worldwide for the entire quarter? The answer is that the channel has been sitting on too many consoles for and it’s now working through that backlog.

We know from NPD figures they sold ~390k XBO in the US alone for the quarter. Unless Forbes mean that the figures announced from Microsoft are sales to retailers only?

That means that we have absolutely no idea how many units have been sold through to the consumer, as it's made up from both the existing stock and (some but possibly not all of) the 1.1 XBO+360 sent to retailers.

So this is all as clear as mud. I can't see MS suddenly switching their figures to sold through numbers, so I don't see how you can tell whether their sales are bad or just not as good as they expected.

[NickSCFC]

Recent NeoGaf estimates have it as 5m shipped to stores, make of that what you will.

[Delusibeta]

That said, Microsoft can’t hide the fact that sales have been so tepid in 2014, it’s been working through channel inventory and manufacturing barely any new consoles. Consider these stats: In the prior quarter, Microsoft reported 2 million console sales of which 1.2 million were the Xbox One. That means the company was moving about 800,000 Xbox 360s just three months ago.

If we assume that the 360 is selling similarly at this point, then this quarter’s 1.1 million consoles likely consisted of just 300,000 Xbox Ones. To get a sense of how terrible that is, it’s as bad as Nintendo’s Wii U results for the quarter that ended in May.

Now, before anyone asks: How can Microsoft sell nearly 200,000 Xbox Ones in the U.S. in June alone if it shipped 300,000 worldwide for the entire quarter? The answer is that the channel has been sitting on too many consoles for and it’s now working through that backlog.

We know from NPD figures they sold ~390k XBO in the US alone for the quarter. Unless Forbes mean that the figures announced from Microsoft are sales to retailers only?

That means that we have absolutely no idea how many units have been sold through to the consumer, as it's made up from both the existing stock and (some but possibly not all of) the 1.1 XBO+360 sent to retailers.

So this is all as clear as mud. I can't see MS suddenly switching their figures to sold through numbers, so I don't see how you can tell whether their sales are bad or just not as good as they expected.

For financial reports, Microsoft (and Nintendo) always used shipped figures. The figures we're talking about are shipped figures.

This is despite Microsoft knowing exactly how many Xbones they've sold, since (AFAIK) they all require an internet connection on first boot (to download the initial OS update).

Sony's bucked the trend with the PS4, since the difference between shipped and sold was negligible. However, I would imagine they would switch to shipped numbers for their next announcement of PS4 sales. Right now, the general working assumption seems to be that the Xbone is between 4.5 million and 5 million sold and that nobody has any real idea what the PS4's sold, I've seen everything from 7.5 mil to 9 mil.

Recent NeoGaf estimates have it as 5m shipped to stores, make of that what you will.

Microsoft formally announced 5 million Xbones shipped back in April, which is the start of Microsoft's Q4. No-one has any real idea how many Xbones they shipped in the last three months, as a direct result of them combining the Xbone and 360 shipped numbers. My estimate would be about 550k for the Xbone.

[Photek]

Why do you care?

[Harry Bizzle]

Why do you care?

Please stop trying to detail the thread. This topic is for discussing XBO sales. If you don't care, don't come into the thread.

[more heat than light]

Why do you care?

Please stop trying to detail the thread. This topic is for discussing XBO sales. If you don't care, don't come into the thread.

Indeed. As much as I don't care for Delusi and Nick's erections for all things anti-Xbox, it seems a little harsh to challenge people for discussing Xbox sales in an Xbox sales thread.

Personally I think it's doing OK. Microsoft have done the majority of things right since Mattrick left, and constant updates and improvements will go a long way to restoring people's faith in the Xbox brand. I have a feeling the Master Chief Collection will be a big seller of the system (although I don't really get why anyone would buy one for some old games, however good they are).

[Photek]

Why do you care?

Please stop trying to detail the thread. This topic is for discussing XBO sales. If you don't care, don't come into the thread.

It's an honest question. I have barely been in this thread so settle down let alone DERAIL it. Its telling that most of the posters in this thread dont own or will ever have an X1.

My point being, I think its going ok and it has a decent christmas period incoming. It was compared to a the Virtual Boy FFS! Anyay, ill leave you all to discuss your numbers and shipped numbers compared to sold numbers and totals and percentages and Q4 compared to last years. God Speed.

[Denster]

I dont think the figures are being spun. It's just that two of the people posting them are known critics of the xbox one. To be fair you dont have to spin the figures to make them look bad.

It isn't just the Xbone though. The Wii U thread often falls victim to the same thing - where people with no real interest in the machine ride on the back of the latest sales figures. And, to be honest, there is often some weight to their arguments when the figures can be as bad as the Wii U's. It's just annoying when you know they have no other interest in the console.

So it's something other machines/thread users have to put up with too. The Wii U lot - like Jaws and SupaChimpz - usually don't really care when someone mentions the Wii U is failing (badly) whereas in here people seem to react personally to it, which won't really deter from people posting negative news.

Let's face it, there are negatives for every console and it isn't always down to sales. Any Wii thread would occasionally be punctuated by three or four posters who clearly disliked the console and what it stood for, and would pop up from time to time.

Some people will always be negative about something, and often these people will like to see a product do badly just because they don't buy into it themselves (again, see the Wii U thread, where non-owners come in to laugh at it). Unfortunately, poor sales figures often write their own headlines, and give weight to some nsysayers' views.

Every machine gets them. To be honest, you sort of have to take the rough with the smooth. You can't just only read positive things about a product you like. This place would be really dull otherwise. See: people jumping on Maf in TLOU thread. The odd negative opinion is something different and, with regards to TLOU, I find myself reading his posts and thinking: "Ah, so I am not weird for thinking this isn't the nest game of the last six years".

It's often how people react to this that creates thelong tit-for-tat exchanges that turn into petty console war-style arguments. As I said, the pro Wii U guys don't tend to counter to such negative posts, get personally defensive or even try to put false spin on things (admittedly, it's hard to counter the Wii U's sales performance), but it does mean that the thread is one of the best in GGC, with regards to the atmosphere within it.

It's trolling. Maf does it about TLOU as well.

Oh and yes - you are weird because it is.

[Peter Crisp]

Have they announced a bundle with Halo collection yet?

I can see that flying off the shelves.

[Photek]

Have they announced a bundle with Halo collection yet?

I can see that flying off the shelves.

Me too, in fact I'd be stunned if they didnt do a bundle. I remember at E3 ex Sony entertainment dude even said "That Masterchief collection will have a great attach rate and a stunning Bundle".

[Delusibeta]

They would be dumb to not bundle in the Master Chief Collection at some point.

Would it move more units than Titanfall, though? Honestly, I suspect not. I'd imagine the majority of MCC's audience would have already picked up an Xbone, either out of brand loyalty or for Titanfall.

[Monkey Man]

Xbox One sold 23 562 units during launch week in Japan according to Famitsu. In comparison Xbox 30 sold 41k at launch according to Media Create.

Software:

1) TitanFall : 22 416 - bundled
2) Kinect Sport Rivals : 14 919 - also bundled
3) Dead Rising 3: 7 330

I predicted 20k so right on track to Xbox's usual insignificance in Japan. Not that it means as much as it used to.

[NickSCFC]

That's absolutely appalling, even by Xbox standards.

Just to put this into perspective...

1998.11.27 [Sega Dreamcast] (¥29.800) - 101.490 (3 days)
2000.03.04 [Sony PlayStation 2] (¥39.800) - 630.552 (2 days)
2001.09.14 [Nintendo GameCube] (¥25.000) - 133.719 (3 days)
2002.02.22 [Microsoft XBox] (¥34.800) - 123.929 (3 days)
2005.12.10 [Microsoft XBox 360] (¥29.000 / ¥39.795) - 62.135 (2 days)
2006.11.11 [Sony PlayStation 3] (¥49.980 / ¥59.980) - 88.443 (2 days)
2006.12.02 [Nintendo Wii] (¥25.000) - 371.936 (2 days)
2012.12.08 [Nintendo Wii U] (¥26.250 / ¥31.500) - 308.570 (2 days)
2014.02.22 [Sony PlayStation 4] (¥41.979 / ¥46.179)- 322.083 (2 days)
2014.09.04 [Microsoft XBox One] (¥43.178 / ¥53.978) - 23,562 (4 days)

[Direar]

the ps4 is basically half the ps2!!

so ps4 is a failure?

[Octoroc]

The Japanese sales figures are hardly a surprise when you consider how the other two consoles are fairing. I admire Microsoft's tenacity though.