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PostRe: Xbox Project Scorpio - hardware specs p32-36, also supports FreeSync 2 / HDMI 2.1 Variable Refresh
by gamerforever » Sun May 21, 2017 11:44 am

Sony didn't want the pro to appear too powerful as it is still a ps4. Microsoft want to move away from the xbox one brand, which is why they will push the power more. It will be interesting to see what games will look like on scorpio, but surely they will only have a few years as the most powerful machine and then ps5 will hit. Perhaps Microsoft do not want their hardware cycle to align with Sonys, which could be sensible.

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PostRe: Xbox Project Scorpio - hardware specs p32-36, also supports FreeSync 2 / HDMI 2.1 Variable Refresh
by Jordan UK » Sun May 21, 2017 1:29 pm

gamerforever wrote:Sony didn't want the pro to appear too powerful as it is still a ps4. Microsoft want to move away from the xbox one brand, which is why they will push the power more. It will be interesting to see what games will look like on scorpio, but surely they will only have a few years as the most powerful machine and then ps5 will hit. Perhaps Microsoft do not want their hardware cycle to align with Sonys, which could be sensible.


I think we will see a bi-annual releases of consoles with Sony releasing an update in Microsoft's 'off-year'. It will be really interesting to see what this does to the user base. Will the hardcore switch from Sony to Microsoft on a yearly basis to experience the best version of new releases for that particular year or will they settle just to one machine, updating every two years and 'settling' to support one brand over the other?

Personally (although I think this bi-annual release cycle will be a good thing for the console game industry) I can see myself just using Xbox if this sort of cycle does materialise.

As such, I think it's almost a cert that Sony will try to steal some of Microsoft's thunder by at least hinting at another piece of hardware for 2018 at E3.

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PostRe: Xbox Project Scorpio - hardware specs p32-36, also supports FreeSync 2 / HDMI 2.1 Variable Refresh
by jawafour » Sun May 21, 2017 1:43 pm

Jordan UK wrote:I think we will see a bi-annual releases of consoles with Sony releasing an update in Microsoft's 'off-year'....

...As such, I think it's almost a cert that Sony will try to steal some of Microsoft's thunder by at least hinting at another piece of hardware for 2018 at E3.

Oh, man, I hope we dont go down that route. It'll be like the mobile phone industry where new models arrive on a regular basis. Consoles are gradually being turned into a mixture of mobile phones and PCs, but only in so far as they're taking the worst elements of each format. Frequent hardware updates, monopolised pricing, "micro" transactions and games being released unfinished... rather than cheaper pricing, ease of play and solid performance.

Having released the Pro only six months ago, I would be a tad frustrated if Sony were to release a new console in 2018.

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PostRe: Xbox Project Scorpio - hardware specs p32-36, also supports FreeSync 2 / HDMI 2.1 Variable Refresh
by Jordan UK » Sun May 21, 2017 2:11 pm

jawafour wrote:
Jordan UK wrote:I think we will see a bi-annual releases of consoles with Sony releasing an update in Microsoft's 'off-year'....

...As such, I think it's almost a cert that Sony will try to steal some of Microsoft's thunder by at least hinting at another piece of hardware for 2018 at E3.

Oh, man, I hope we dont go down that route. It'll be like the mobile phone industry where new models arrive on a regular basis. Consoles are gradually being turned into a mixture of mobile phones and PCs, but only in so far as they're taking the worst elements of each format. Frequent hardware updates, monopolised pricing, "micro" transactions and games being released unfinished... rather than cheaper pricing, ease of play and solid performance.

Having released the Pro only six months ago, I would be a tad frustrated if Sony were to release a new console in 2018.


Unfortunately for Pro owners (myself included) the vast majority of PS4 owners are standard PS4 / non-Pro owners. Although it would be annoying for Pro owners, I think Sony would be prepared to suffer their complaints to avoid too many 'original' PS4 owners jumping ship to Scorpio. "Just wait... we've got the best exclusives... and... if you wait with us until late 2018, we'll have the most powerful console again." I expect will be the message to appease those that are tempted by the Scorpio.

I think console manufacturers are banking on people becoming 'invested' in their brand... your library that you've been building over 5-10 years will be fully compatible and scalable to all our future machines (just like PCs).

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PostRe: Xbox Project Scorpio - hardware specs p32-36, also supports FreeSync 2 / HDMI 2.1 Variable Refresh
by jawafour » Sun May 21, 2017 2:15 pm

Jordan UK wrote:Unfortunately for Pro owners (myself included) the vast majority of PS4 owners are standard PS4 / non-Pro owners. Although it would be annoying for Pro owners, I think Sony would be prepared to suffer their complaints to avoid too many 'original' PS4 owners jumping ship to Scorpio...

I think you're right, Jordan. Although, personally, that could be the kind of approach that would put me off from buying a Sony console.

Ho-hum. E3 is certainly gonna be interesting!

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Jordan UK wrote:[...I think console manufacturers are banking on people becoming 'invested' in their brand... your library that you've been building over 5-10 years will be fully compatible and scalable to all our future machines (just like PCs).

But, then again, I do like that aspect. MS has now taken a lead in terms of backwards compatibility, whilst Nintendo had it but dropped it. Sony has never seemed too keen on it (unless you re-buy the games digitally). I would like the capability to be able to play the games that I have already purchased on a newer machine.

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PostRe: Xbox Project Scorpio - hardware specs p32-36, also supports FreeSync 2 / HDMI 2.1 Variable Refresh
by Jordan UK » Sun May 21, 2017 2:24 pm

jawafour wrote:
Jordan UK wrote:Unfortunately for Pro owners (myself included) the vast majority of PS4 owners are standard PS4 / non-Pro owners. Although it would be annoying for Pro owners, I think Sony would be prepared to suffer their complaints to avoid too many 'original' PS4 owners jumping ship to Scorpio...

I think you're right, Jordan. Although, personally, that could be the kind of approach that would put me off from buying a Sony console.

Ho-hum. E3 is certainly gonna be interesting!


A positive is that it'll make it easier to sell the Pro if the PS5 (or whatever) is fully backwards and forwards combatable.

For instance, I sold both of my Xbox One and PS4 to upgrade, getting a good price for each. Infact, I only needed £60 more to go from Xbox One to One S.

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PostRe: Xbox Project Scorpio - hardware specs p32-36, also supports FreeSync 2 / HDMI 2.1 Variable Refresh
by KK » Sun May 21, 2017 2:29 pm

I really don't expect the PS5 any time soon.

I wouldn't be shocked however if Sony announce an upgraded PS4 Pro with a 4K Blu Ray player and slimmed down design. I wouldn't think that would be announced at E3 though, rather October for a November launch.

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by jawafour » Sun May 21, 2017 3:07 pm

KK wrote:...I wouldn't be shocked however if Sony announce an upgraded PS4 Pro with a 4K Blu Ray player and slimmed down design. I wouldn't think that would be announced at E3 though, rather October for a November launch.

I would be frustrated if Sony anounced an enhanced Pro; we're talking about a console that only launched six months ago. I would prefer it if they stepped up a gear in terms of support and promotion for Pro-enhanced games.

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PostRe: Xbox Project Scorpio - hardware specs p32-36, also supports FreeSync 2 / HDMI 2.1 Variable Refresh
by KK » Sun May 21, 2017 3:51 pm

Probably doesn't help that the Pro has apparently sold terribly, which may not bode well for Scorpio either.

If the Xbox bombs too then I think that confirms console gamers just aren't interested in purchasing a halfway house. I guess we'll see.

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by Photek » Sun May 21, 2017 3:57 pm

Phil isn't expecting big sales of the Scorpio, MS expect the X1 S to outsell it massively. If it's €399 though it may do a little bit better than MS think. Maybe.

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by Garth » Sun May 21, 2017 4:25 pm

I think the Pro might have arrived too early, the jump between the PS4 and the Pro just maybe wasn't enough to entice more people to shell out for it, and Sony already had the power advantage with the standard PS4. There's a bigger jump in performance between the weaker Xbox One and the Scropio which may help Scorpio's sales with hardcore fans, but as Photek says, even MS isn't expecting it to outsell the One S as the One S is the more mass market friendly option.

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PostRe: Xbox Project Scorpio - hardware specs p32-36, also supports FreeSync 2 / HDMI 2.1 Variable Refresh
by KjGarly » Sun May 21, 2017 5:03 pm

A big problem when the Pro launched was the complete lack of marketing. It was released alongside the Slim which was plastered everywhere and the only place I could spot a bit of Pro marketing was on the PS Store itself.

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PostRe: Xbox Project Scorpio - hardware specs p32-36, also supports FreeSync 2 / HDMI 2.1 Variable Refresh
by Peter Crisp » Sun May 21, 2017 5:25 pm

There's also very little in the way of explaining of the benefits even now.
For instance I'm playing farpoint with Chalky and I have no idea how my game is improved compared to his when we're playing co-op.

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PostRe: Xbox Project Scorpio - hardware specs p32-36, also supports FreeSync 2 / HDMI 2.1 Variable Refresh
by Samuel_1 » Sun May 21, 2017 5:42 pm

KjGarly wrote:A big problem when the Pro launched was the complete lack of marketing. It was released alongside the Slim which was plastered everywhere and the only place I could spot a bit of Pro marketing was on the PS Store itself.

There's still no Pro specific marketing that I'm aware of, it was the softest of launches and they seem to show little concern for growing it's share. I suppose this was to prevent any negative reactions from PS4 owners; it offers some choice without making people feel as though they're missing out. It will be very interesting to see how MS market the Scorpio, if they make too much of a song and dance about it, it may well make recent S purchasers feel somewhat aggrieved.....?

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PostRe: Xbox Project Scorpio - hardware specs p32-36, also supports FreeSync 2 / HDMI 2.1 Variable Refresh
by Octoroc » Sun May 21, 2017 5:48 pm

KK wrote:Probably doesn't help that the Pro has apparently sold terribly, which may not bode well for Scorpio either.


Sauces? I had my suspicions that sales had been flagging when Media-Markt (here in Germany) started doing reasonably good deals on the Pro- I bought one on Friday for 385 Euro with an extra DS4 thrown in. Having said that, for the first four months of this year the Pro was actually quite hard to come by.

I've always thought that pushing the Pro as a 4K machine was a mistake. For one thing it's a bit of a fib and for another, the market's just not there yet.

Sony are now producing 1080p TVs with HDR support. Make of that what you will.

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by Death's Head » Sun May 21, 2017 6:17 pm

Octoroc wrote:Sauces?


The Japanese chart shows the base PS4 outselling the Pro by about 10-1. I'm not interested in these mid cycle releases and if this is the way forwards, the PS4 could be the last console I buy. I feel the PC has become a lot simpler these days, my defection is almost complete.

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PostRe: Xbox Project Scorpio - hardware specs p32-36, also supports FreeSync 2 / HDMI 2.1 Variable Refresh
by Moggy » Tue May 23, 2017 7:42 am

jawafour wrote:
Jordan UK wrote:[...I think console manufacturers are banking on people becoming 'invested' in their brand... your library that you've been building over 5-10 years will be fully compatible and scalable to all our future machines (just like PCs).

But, then again, I do like that aspect. MS has now taken a lead in terms of backwards compatibility, whilst Nintendo had it but dropped it. Sony has never seemed too keen on it (unless you re-buy the games digitally). I would like the capability to be able to play the games that I have already purchased on a newer machine.


I think Jordan is right, now that we have so many games owned digitally, MS (and I think Sony and Nintendo will do in the future) have realised that full BC is a good way to keep consumers “locked” to their brand.

When the Xbox2/PS5 are released, MS will make a massive song and dance about how buying a Xbox2 instantly gives you 1000s of games to play across the Xbox brand. Consumers will think “hmm well I like the PS5, but I will lose my collection of 500 Xbox360 and Xbone games if I change”.

It’s a clever way to keep hold of customers. And I think it is a good thing, one of the downsides of the digital future was losing all of your games when you upgrade (without even anything to sell on at CEX!), it’s what annoyed me about PS4, I had quite a lot of digital PS3 games that I can now not play. Sure I could buy a PS3 to play them, but I don’t have the space for that.

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PostRe: Xbox Project Scorpio - hardware specs p32-36, also supports FreeSync 2 / HDMI 2.1 Variable Refresh
by Peter Crisp » Tue May 23, 2017 11:22 am

For me the main thing that keeps me on Playstation is that the people I play with are on the system.
I'll be buying a Scorpio but I'm going to be using it mainly for single player stuff.

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PostRe: Xbox Project Scorpio - hardware specs p32-36, also supports FreeSync 2 / HDMI 2.1 Variable Refresh
by Samuel_1 » Tue May 23, 2017 11:30 am

From my point of view backwards compatibility isn't a massive issue, I'd rather play games intended for the new system, though I appreciate some people feel that it is important.
I would suspect (hope) that the next PS will have backwards compatibility due to the fact that the console's architecture is more like a PC now and such a prospect will be easier to achieve. lets hope that the XBO model will be the standard going forward.

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Larry Hryb, Xbox Live's Major Nelson talks to Kevin Gammill from the Xbox engineering team about the Project Scorpio Xbox Development Kit, and what it means for game creators.

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