Xbox One X

Peter Crisp wrote:Looking good so far.

I went into the Xbox visit looking for validation beyond the specs, that the Scorpio hardware could deliver on the claims made for it. It speaks to the confidence of the Xbox team that they chose to showcase the power of the new console by wheeling out a three-month-old demo (!).

As Chris Tector points out, the Forza engine has evolved since then with further optimisation allowing for the addition of new features for the next series release. And on top of that, Turn 10 still has that big slice of GPU time remaining to beef up Scorpio visuals still further. It'll be fascinating to see how those resources are deployed in the final game.

It's only one game engine of course - and one of the best in business, no less - with all the benefits of a first party focus. In terms of a better look at how Scorpio will handle a breadth of software, we'll need to see more games - third party titles in particular. But at this very early stage, I asked for an authentic real-time demonstration that shows what the Scorpio hardware can potentially deliver and Microsoft didn't falter. And going forward, it sets up an extraordinarily high level of expectation for E3 - just two months ahead of us. The hardware credentials are clearly impressive, but as always, it's the games that count.

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Peter Crisp wrote:The digital foundry article said that the engineers aim was to make a console that could match a £1000 games pc so I think it's fairly safe to assume that it can at least match a pc with £500 parts. Just the graphics card alone would be a decent chunk of that.

That matching my thinking, Peter. The tech goal s quite a step up from the PS4 Pro and, if DIY PCs can't hit a "below £500" pricing point, it feels like a bit of a stretch to think an Xbox console could. Samuel, I can see your reasoning behind the "sell at a loss" approach but I struggle to think that MS would go with anything greater than a few pounds per unit.

I have a gut feeling that the machine will cost more than most folk are anticipating. I hope it could be less, just to promote competition in the market and bring about the vibe that the Xbox brand had in the 360 years.

Didn't the first PS3 iteration sell sat a huge loss? MS were really disappointed with the reaction to the X1 price announcement, I think we may get quite a surprise this time round.

They won't sell this at a loss, there's absolutely no reason to. Not in a world where people spend £1000 on smart phones.

No console has been sold at a loss for well over a decade, those days are long gone.

It's a different market.

Microsoft need to make up some ground and settling a console that is over £100 more expensive than the market leader makes absolutely no sense.

It doesn't really matter what the market is. If you offer reasons for that product to be that price then it can sell. Phones were never a £1000 device that long ago and now it's been accepted as the normal.

And this is a premium version anyway of a cheaper mass market aimed product. If you sell something too cheap it does as much damage to sales as making it too expensive.

This console isn't being made to make up ground in that way. Obviously the end goal is to sell it to people, but not in quantities of millions upon millions. It's aimed at people who are Xbox mega fans and PC 4K players. It's a niche market.

Who the strawberry float pays £1000 for a phone?

The most expensive iPhone 7 plus is just over £900, but I doubt that's a big seller.

jawafour wrote:

Peter Crisp wrote:Looking good so far.

Crikey! Scorpio is starting to sound like a bit of a beast. It's interesting to hear that MS has been creating their recent games with 4K visuals even though they haven't been able to use them in the XBO versions... potentially this could mean a number of 4K games available at launch for the Scorpio.

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Peter Crisp wrote:The digital foundry article said that the engineers aim was to make a console that could match a £1000 games pc so I think it's fairly safe to assume that it can at least match a pc with £500 parts. Just the graphics card alone would be a decent chunk of that.

That matching my thinking, Peter. The tech goal s quite a step up from the PS4 Pro and, if DIY PCs can't hit a "below £500" pricing point, it feels like a bit of a stretch to think an Xbox console could. Samuel, I can see your reasoning behind the "sell at a loss" approach but I struggle to think that MS would go with anything greater than a few pounds per unit.

I have a gut feeling that the machine will cost more than most folk are anticipating. I hope it could be less, just to promote competition in the market and bring about the vibe that the Xbox brand had in the 360 years.

Didn't the first PS3 iteration sell sat a huge loss? MS were really disappointed with the reaction to the X1 price announcement, I think we may get quite a surprise this time round.

They won't sell this at a loss, there's absolutely no reason to. Not in a world where people spend £1000 on smart phones.

No console has been sold at a loss for well over a decade, those days are long gone.

It's a different market.

Microsoft need to make up some ground and settling a console that is over £100 more expensive than the market leader makes absolutely no sense.

It doesn't really matter what the market is. If you offer reasons for that product to be that price then it can sell. Phones were never a £1000 device that long ago and now it's been accepted as the normal.

And this is a premium version anyway of a cheaper mass market aimed product. If you sell something too cheap it does as much damage to sales as making it too expensive.

This console isn't being made to make up ground in that way. Obviously the end goal is to sell it to people, but not in quantities of millions upon millions. It's aimed at people who are Xbox mega fans and PC 4K players. It's a niche market.

Who the strawberry float pays £1000 for a phone?

The most expensive iPhone 7 plus is just over £900, but I doubt that's a big seller.

Well it's a premium version of the phone, exactly as this is a premium version of a games console. It's a pretty good comparison and proves the point that Scorpio isn't there to be a big seller

Monkey Man wrote:The accompanying article -

I went into the Xbox visit looking for validation beyond the specs, that the Scorpio hardware could deliver on the claims made for it. It speaks to the confidence of the Xbox team that they chose to showcase the power of the new console by wheeling out a three-month-old demo (!).

As Chris Tector points out, the Forza engine has evolved since then with further optimisation allowing for the addition of new features for the next series release. And on top of that, Turn 10 still has that big slice of GPU time remaining to beef up Scorpio visuals still further. It'll be fascinating to see how those resources are deployed in the final game.

It's only one game engine of course - and one of the best in business, no less - with all the benefits of a first party focus. In terms of a better look at how Scorpio will handle a breadth of software, we'll need to see more games - third party titles in particular. But at this very early stage, I asked for an authentic real-time demonstration that shows what the Scorpio hardware can potentially deliver and Microsoft didn't falter. And going forward, it sets up an extraordinarily high level of expectation for E3 - just two months ahead of us. The hardware credentials are clearly impressive, but as always, it's the games that count.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digit ... full-story

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Peter Crisp wrote:The digital foundry article said that the engineers aim was to make a console that could match a £1000 games pc so I think it's fairly safe to assume that it can at least match a pc with £500 parts. Just the graphics card alone would be a decent chunk of that.

That matching my thinking, Peter. The tech goal s quite a step up from the PS4 Pro and, if DIY PCs can't hit a "below £500" pricing point, it feels like a bit of a stretch to think an Xbox console could. Samuel, I can see your reasoning behind the "sell at a loss" approach but I struggle to think that MS would go with anything greater than a few pounds per unit.

I have a gut feeling that the machine will cost more than most folk are anticipating. I hope it could be less, just to promote competition in the market and bring about the vibe that the Xbox brand had in the 360 years.

Didn't the first PS3 iteration sell sat a huge loss? MS were really disappointed with the reaction to the X1 price announcement, I think we may get quite a surprise this time round.

They won't sell this at a loss, there's absolutely no reason to. Not in a world where people spend £1000 on smart phones.

No console has been sold at a loss for well over a decade, those days are long gone.

It's a different market.

Microsoft need to make up some ground and settling a console that is over £100 more expensive than the market leader makes absolutely no sense.

It doesn't really matter what the market is. If you offer reasons for that product to be that price then it can sell. Phones were never a £1000 device that long ago and now it's been accepted as the normal.

And this is a premium version anyway of a cheaper mass market aimed product. If you sell something too cheap it does as much damage to sales as making it too expensive.

This console isn't being made to make up ground in that way. Obviously the end goal is to sell it to people, but not in quantities of millions upon millions. It's aimed at people who are Xbox mega fans and PC 4K players. It's a niche market.

Who the strawberry float pays £1000 for a phone?

The most expensive iPhone 7 plus is just over £900, but I doubt that's a big seller.

Well it's a premium version of the phone, exactly as this is a premium version of a games console. It's a pretty good comparison and proves the point that Scorpio isn't there to be a big seller

So not a big seller and therefore not accepted as normal?

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Moggy wrote:

BID0 wrote:

Moggy wrote:

BID0 wrote:

Hime wrote:

BID0 wrote:

Samuel_1 wrote:

jawafour wrote:

Peter Crisp wrote:The digital foundry article said that the engineers aim was to make a console that could match a £1000 games pc so I think it's fairly safe to assume that it can at least match a pc with £500 parts. Just the graphics card alone would be a decent chunk of that.

That matching my thinking, Peter. The tech goal s quite a step up from the PS4 Pro and, if DIY PCs can't hit a "below £500" pricing point, it feels like a bit of a stretch to think an Xbox console could. Samuel, I can see your reasoning behind the "sell at a loss" approach but I struggle to think that MS would go with anything greater than a few pounds per unit.

I have a gut feeling that the machine will cost more than most folk are anticipating. I hope it could be less, just to promote competition in the market and bring about the vibe that the Xbox brand had in the 360 years.

Didn't the first PS3 iteration sell sat a huge loss? MS were really disappointed with the reaction to the X1 price announcement, I think we may get quite a surprise this time round.

They won't sell this at a loss, there's absolutely no reason to. Not in a world where people spend £1000 on smart phones.

No console has been sold at a loss for well over a decade, those days are long gone.

It's a different market.

Microsoft need to make up some ground and settling a console that is over £100 more expensive than the market leader makes absolutely no sense.

It doesn't really matter what the market is. If you offer reasons for that product to be that price then it can sell. Phones were never a £1000 device that long ago and now it's been accepted as the normal.

And this is a premium version anyway of a cheaper mass market aimed product. If you sell something too cheap it does as much damage to sales as making it too expensive.

This console isn't being made to make up ground in that way. Obviously the end goal is to sell it to people, but not in quantities of millions upon millions. It's aimed at people who are Xbox mega fans and PC 4K players. It's a niche market.

Who the strawberry float pays £1000 for a phone?

The most expensive iPhone 7 plus is just over £900, but I doubt that's a big seller.

Well it's a premium version of the phone, exactly as this is a premium version of a games console. It's a pretty good comparison and proves the point that Scorpio isn't there to be a big seller

So not a big seller and therefore not accepted as normal?

Correct. Surely the big seller will be the current box, whatever that's called at its mass market price.

Meep wrote:Actually, I don't understand why you would even want to run games at 4K as it seems like a massive waste of potential. IMO, I wouldn't go higher than 2560 x 1440p and then you could put all that power to better use rendering the actual game. Of course, I'm sure shouting "4K" is better from a marketing standpoint but higher resolution != better looking games.

Meep wrote:Actually, I don't understand why you would even want to run games at 4K as it seems like a massive waste of potential. IMO, I wouldn't go higher than 2560 x 1440p and then you could put all that power to better use rendering the actual game.

HSH28 wrote:

Meep wrote:Actually, I don't understand why you would even want to run games at 4K as it seems like a massive waste of potential. IMO, I wouldn't go higher than 2560 x 1440p and then you could put all that power to better use rendering the actual game.

You'd be able to tell the difference between upscaled 1440p and 4k on a good 4K TV, I'm pretty sure.

Moggy wrote:

BID0 wrote:

Moggy wrote:

BID0 wrote:

Moggy wrote:

BID0 wrote:

Hime wrote:

BID0 wrote:

Samuel_1 wrote:

jawafour wrote:

Peter Crisp wrote:The digital foundry article said that the engineers aim was to make a console that could match a £1000 games pc so I think it's fairly safe to assume that it can at least match a pc with £500 parts. Just the graphics card alone would be a decent chunk of that.

That matching my thinking, Peter. The tech goal s quite a step up from the PS4 Pro and, if DIY PCs can't hit a "below £500" pricing point, it feels like a bit of a stretch to think an Xbox console could. Samuel, I can see your reasoning behind the "sell at a loss" approach but I struggle to think that MS would go with anything greater than a few pounds per unit.

I have a gut feeling that the machine will cost more than most folk are anticipating. I hope it could be less, just to promote competition in the market and bring about the vibe that the Xbox brand had in the 360 years.

Didn't the first PS3 iteration sell sat a huge loss? MS were really disappointed with the reaction to the X1 price announcement, I think we may get quite a surprise this time round.

They won't sell this at a loss, there's absolutely no reason to. Not in a world where people spend £1000 on smart phones.

No console has been sold at a loss for well over a decade, those days are long gone.

It's a different market.

Microsoft need to make up some ground and settling a console that is over £100 more expensive than the market leader makes absolutely no sense.

It doesn't really matter what the market is. If you offer reasons for that product to be that price then it can sell. Phones were never a £1000 device that long ago and now it's been accepted as the normal.

And this is a premium version anyway of a cheaper mass market aimed product. If you sell something too cheap it does as much damage to sales as making it too expensive.

This console isn't being made to make up ground in that way. Obviously the end goal is to sell it to people, but not in quantities of millions upon millions. It's aimed at people who are Xbox mega fans and PC 4K players. It's a niche market.

Who the strawberry float pays £1000 for a phone?

The most expensive iPhone 7 plus is just over £900, but I doubt that's a big seller.

Well it's a premium version of the phone, exactly as this is a premium version of a games console. It's a pretty good comparison and proves the point that Scorpio isn't there to be a big seller

So not a big seller and therefore not accepted as normal?

Correct. Surely the big seller will be the current box, whatever that's called at its mass market price.

Exactly, a £900 (not £1000) phone is not accepted as normal.

Death's Head wrote:If they want to attract people from other formats it needs to be priced accordingly. At the moment I see this mainly as something for existing XBO owners, the converted.

jawafour wrote:

Death's Head wrote:If they want to attract people from other formats it needs to be priced accordingly. At the moment I see this mainly as something for existing XBO owners, the converted.

Possibly, Deaths, although I wonder if a chunk of players that plumped for the PS4 because of the power (MOST POWERFUL CONSOLE EVA!!11!) will want to get on-board with the Scorpio because it's going to be the new top dog in terms of technical prowess?