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PostRe: You couldn't make it up
by consolegaming » Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:14 pm

I am extremely disappointed by Hero's comments, I thought he was true nintendo supporter :evil:

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PostRe: You couldn't make it up
by TheTurnipKing » Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:15 pm

Ah, I see.

Though I suppose the good third parties haven't really been that bad to the Wii. Sure, Soul Calibur Legends got lousy reviews, but at least Namco got a chance to try something different with their franchise.

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PostRe: You couldn't make it up
by Rik » Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:16 pm

consolegaming wrote:I am extremely disappointed by Hero's comments, I thought he was true nintendo supporter :evil:


Yes lets pretend everything is great when it isn't :fp:

This isn't like supporting a football team you know.

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PostRe: You couldn't make it up
by TheTurnipKing » Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:16 pm

consolegaming wrote:I am extremely disappointed by Hero's comments, I thought he was true nintendo supporter :evil:

That doesn't mean he has to like every piece of software on the platform.

At the end of the day, all hardware is just a means to an end. Nintendo are just in a somewhat unusual position since they produce both.


That said, the "tat" situation does seem to prove that the lower cost of development on the Wii can be quite lucrative. I'm reminded of arguments of the old Fairplay campaign.

It's Fair Play's core belief that if the price of games were cut in half, sales would - at least - double.

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PostRe: You couldn't make it up
by Octoroc » Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:36 pm

My main gripes with the Wii are the wanky graphics and turdy controller.

The shovelware is just the fetid icing on the ploppy cake.

So far this year, I have eaten NO mince pies.
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PostRe: You couldn't make it up
by Green Gecko » Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:39 pm

Well I was playing F-Zero GX and Mario Kart last night with my mates and those games are still fun as ever for me, on 14" telly, old graphics or not. Perhaps I am becoming more and more of a casual gamer. In fact I probably play games less than a casual gamer does.

Wii Sports Bowling was still great fun too, although it was pretty funny when I took the piss out of the motion detecting by bowling a spare half way up a ladder in my mate's garden while we were playing in the dining room. :lol:

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PostRe: You couldn't make it up
by Eighthours » Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:41 pm

consolegaming wrote:Fair enough except the nintendo games i mentioned are true AAA games, the ones you listed are average or just good.


The Orange Box, to point out just one on that list? You twonk. :roll:

Cue the "You just don't like me because I like Sony" post of missing the point.

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PostRe: You couldn't make it up
by consolegaming » Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:45 pm

Eighthours wrote:
consolegaming wrote:Fair enough except the nintendo games i mentioned are true AAA games, the ones you listed are average or just good.


The Orange Box, to point out just one on that list? You twonk. :roll:

Cue the "You just don't like me because I like Sony" post of missing the point.


You guys just hate me :D

Okay in my error i did not see the orange box on there, yes it in better than metroid!

I guess you can say pgr 3 and 4 also own mario kart but they are different games right?

Basically my point is over 18 months in nintendo have given us loads of the major franchises already and i am comparing it to the previous nintendo machines not the next gen ones i.e. ps3 and 360.

The major problem is third parties not being able to embrace their platform, but to be honest whatever nintendo do on their own console is usually never bettered by third parties anyway!

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PostRe: You couldn't make it up
by Green Gecko » Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:48 pm

Good, you've seen sense some sense. ;) I was merely balancing the two consoles from and end-user standpoint. I don't really care so much for the industrial reasoning behind each console's software library when it comes down to it (games). It is a lot to do with 3rd parties, Nintendo seem to have some kind of curse over that. It really must be an attitude thing. It's such a shame that 3rd parties didn't embrace the GC (mainly because the PS2 was so damn popular in comparison) either (although there were some top games), which lead Nintendo into this new Blue Ocean strategy with the Wii. Now they're in the position where developers either can't make interesting use of the Wii's advantages or they just don't bother, even though it is flooring the other consoles in sales worldwide.

It's really rather odd and a bit depressing. The Wii has the potential to be a fantastic games console.

Maybe it is actually because developers, so likely to have, at some point, or continue to be, hardcore gamers themselves, don't actually want to make non-traditional/"hardcore" games?? Perhaps the Wii is ahead of its time, but having said that Nintendo have done well to start such a movement now, or I do think the industry would get too stale.

Maybe in the next 2 years or so we will see a growth in other developers that actually make good and interesting Wii games. The problem is that these studios have so little experience in comparison to the large software houses.

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PostRe: You couldn't make it up
by Rik » Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:49 pm

The major problem is third parties not being able to embrace their platform, but to be honest whatever nintendo do on their own console is usually never bettered by third parties anyway!


Resident Evil 4 says hi.

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PostRe: You couldn't make it up
by consolegaming » Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:51 pm

Green Gecko wrote:Good, you've seen sense. ;) It is a lot to do with 3rd parties, Nintendo seem to have some kind of curse over that. It really must be an attitude thing. It's such a shame that 3rd parties didn't embrace the GC (mainly because the PS2 was so damn popular in comparison) either (although there were some top games), which lead Nintendo into this new Blue Ocean strategy with the Wii. Now they're in the position where developers either can't make interesting use of the Wii's advantages or they just don't bother, even though it is flooring the other consoles in sales worldwide.

It's really rather odd and a bit depressing. The Wii has the potential to be a fantastic games console.


I think the main problem is nintendo cannot expect devs to make separate versions of every game for their machine, if their next console is comparable to both the ps4 and xbox 3 it might get a big userbase, but then the problem is the cost of manufacturing such an advanced console. They are making a profit with inferior hardware, i do not think nintendo will ever feel the need to catch up now and will eventually be two generations behind the ps4 and xbox 3 (if they are not already!)

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PostRe: You couldn't make it up
by Green Gecko » Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:54 pm

Well the motion-sensing controller will be so cheap next gen and Nintendo can push something out a little more powerful than the 360 (as their hardware partners are the same - ATI and IBM) for less cost. Personally I'm looking forward to such a console already.

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PostRe: You couldn't make it up
by consolegaming » Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:57 pm

Green Gecko wrote:Well the motion-sensing controller will be so cheap next gen and Nintendo can push something out a little more powerful than the 360 (as their hardware partners are the same - ATI and IBM) for less cost. Personally I'm looking forward to such a console already.


Same here zelda and mario in hd would be stunning, the problem is their franchises have traditionally incorporated cartoony visuals, will hd really make much of a difference?

I just want one machine which gives me everything, the problem is 3 machines is way too many, let the competition be over the games, not the consoles imo, we may end up paying £500 for one console, but i can see the games selling for £20 then, which would offset the initial cost of the console.

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PostRe: You couldn't make it up
by Drunken_Master » Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:57 pm

Aren't Microsoft developing a motion controller?

If so, the 360 will be in a position to offer the best of both worlds.

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PostRe: You couldn't make it up
by consolegaming » Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:59 pm

Drunken_Master wrote:Aren't Microsoft developing a motion controller?

If so, the 360 will be in a position to offer the best of both worlds.


Yeah, but they dont have mario and zelda, nintendo dont have halo, sony dont have halo, mario etc etc

We need one mega console imo and have fanboy wars over the games, this aint going to happen until one company wins by a good 90% margin this gen.

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PostRe: You couldn't make it up
by Hero of Canton » Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:01 pm

consolegaming wrote:I am extremely disappointed by Hero's comments, I thought he was true nintendo supporter :evil:


I am, it's just a sad state of affairs when you get a release week like that, and you know it's not the only week that's going to look like that.

For what it's worth, I do think a lot of Wii software gets unfairly overlooked, partly because most games mags/sites only want to seriously cover the major stuff, which means the odd third-party biggie and Nintendo's own output. And also partly because a lot of the best third-party stuff (in fact, the vast, vast majority) hails from Japan. Indeed, games like Captain Rainbow may not even make it, and that's Nintendo published. Meanwhile, there's no sign of Project Zero coming any time soon despite all previous games in the series having made it to the west.

Nintendo can't make third-parties create non-casual software on Wii, and seemingly very, very few publishers are willing to buck that trend. But that's not to say that more accessible titles should be immediately dismissed. I've heard great things about the new Madden on Wii, for example - indeed, EA is one of the few who seems to be trying to create something other than lowest-common-denominator shovelware.

It's strange - the DS has just about managed to perfectly straddle both hardcore and casual markets, but it's a real issue with Wii.

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PostRe: You couldn't make it up
by Hero of Canton » Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:02 pm

Drunken_Master wrote:Aren't Microsoft developing a motion controller?

If so, the 360 will be in a position to offer the best of both worlds.


It's not even remotely (heh) that simple.

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PostRe: You couldn't make it up
by Green Gecko » Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:02 pm

consolegaming wrote:I just want one machine which gives me everything, the problem is 3 machines is way too many, let the competition be over the games, not the consoles imo, we may end up paying £500 for one console, but i can see the games selling for £20 then, which would offset the initial cost of the console.

That model isn't profitable though. Games have to remain expensive to make back losses on hardware and to sustain decent profits.

Nintendo have said their next console will be HD. Some PR people said that right when they were saying the "Revolution" wasn't going to be HD.

MS will probably release their controller with their next console.

It'll be interesting to see what people would think if MS or Sony disobeyed "traditional" gamers by making motion control (akin to the Wii-remote level of radicalism) standard with their consoles.

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PostRe: You couldn't make it up
by consolegaming » Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:06 pm

Hero of Canton wrote:
consolegaming wrote:I am extremely disappointed by Hero's comments, I thought he was true nintendo supporter :evil:


I am, it's just a sad state of affairs when you get a release week like that, and you know it's not the only week that's going to look like that.

For what it's worth, I do think a lot of Wii software gets unfairly overlooked, partly because most games mags/sites only want to seriously cover the major stuff, which means the odd third-party biggie and Nintendo's own output. And also partly because a lot of the best third-party stuff (in fact, the vast, vast majority) hails from Japan. Indeed, games like Captain Rainbow may not even make it, and that's Nintendo published. Meanwhile, there's no sign of Project Zero coming any time soon despite all previous games in the series having made it to the west.

Nintendo can't make third-parties create non-casual software on Wii, and seemingly very, very few publishers are willing to buck that trend. But that's not to say that more accessible titles should be immediately dismissed. I've heard great things about the new Madden on Wii, for example - indeed, EA is one of the few who seems to be trying to create something other than lowest-common-denominator shovelware.

It's strange - the DS has just about managed to perfectly straddle both hardcore and casual markets, but it's a real issue with Wii.


It is true nintendo seem to have taken the foot off the pedal of late, they are getting a bit arrogant after some success, much like sega and sony before them.

The thing is they are still doing so well and do not feel the need to keep churning out classic games. I guess the only positive is the number of franchises nintendo still have at their disposal and there is still the fact they have not really announced much for next year and are probably concentrating on this years releases. I certainly have faith in nintendo, they are not stupid enough to let it slip and they are still developing games of the highest order, the problem is they have got their market and are still trying to attract non gamers because us gamers have unquestionably blind loyalty towards them based on their past efforts!

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PostRe: You couldn't make it up
by Drunken_Master » Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:09 pm

Hero of Canton wrote:
Drunken_Master wrote:Aren't Microsoft developing a motion controller?

If so, the 360 will be in a position to offer the best of both worlds.


It's not even remotely (heh) that simple.



Of course it is.

MS release a wand, with a few tech demos masquerading as games. And then bish, bash, bosh. World domination.

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