You fat bastard! You fat bastard! The WORLD OBESITY League Tables

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by coldspice » Wed Feb 07, 2018 7:32 pm

Garth wrote:Snacking is my problem too, especially when at work and bored. The urge for comfort food takes over.

Yep, I work 12 hour shifts which is just the worst thing when trying to diet.

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by Moggy » Wed Feb 07, 2018 7:36 pm

Lucien wrote:Anyway, at least the UK can be said to have gender equality obeseness. Look at Turkey! Though to be fair the women there probably put on more weight so men get tired trying to stone them.


LOL THOSE BARBARIC BROWN TURKS!! TEE HEE!!!

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by Moggy » Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:34 pm

Lucien wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Lucien wrote:Anyway, at least the UK can be said to have gender equality obeseness. Look at Turkey! Though to be fair the women there probably put on more weight so men get tired trying to stone them.


LOL THOSE BARBARIC BROWN TURKS!! TEE HEE!!!


Hey man, if you don't like the joke that's cool I can totally get it, but don't try to imply it was made because of skin colour.


Apologies you are right, your post wasn’t racist.

Islamophobic and xenophobic, but not racist.

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by Jenuall » Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:39 pm

Interesting that a large number of the countries doing better than us are listed based on self reported data - I can't believe there isn't official medical data available from most of those countries?

Would be surprised if the real data wasn't much closer to ours. That said we clearly do have a weight problem in the UK and I can't see it getting better anytime soon.

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by Rightey » Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:42 am

Karl wrote:There will be an acceptably safe fat-burning pill within our lifetimes, so, meh.


Not if you die of heart failure first!

Also there's lots of health benefits to actually working out/exercising that just being skinny won't have.

We really should focus more on prevention but the problem is it's

1) hard to gather metrics about how successful these programs really are.

2) Fatties will get upset that we are targeting prevention rather than helping them out.

3) Policy wise it's hard to argue we should be investing in basketball courts rather than more hospital beds.

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by That » Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:49 am

Rightey wrote:Not if you die of heart failure first!

Also there's lots of health benefits to actually working out/exercising that just being skinny won't have.

We really should focus more on prevention but the problem is it's

1) hard to gather metrics about how successful these programs really are.

2) Fatties will get upset that we are targeting prevention rather than helping them out.

3) Policy wise it's hard to argue we should be investing in basketball courts rather than more hospital beds.

None of those things are the fundamental problem. You could cover the planet in sports centres, but a subset of people just don't like to exercise and still wouldn't go. Similarly, it's already broadly common knowledge that having loads of high calorie sugary snacks will make you fat, but people eat them for reasons perpendicular to weight control (to get through a long day at work, or to make themselves feel better emotionally, or to eat something as quickly as possible, or...).

Fat people are fat every day, so many are used to it and prefer that status quo to making lifestyle changes that maybe take a source of happiness away or make them engage in activities they find boring or uncomfortable or even humiliating.

They'll take an anti-obesity pill though.

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by Rocsteady » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:36 pm

That's a defeatist attitude to take. It's one of the UK's major health problems and we need to treat it as such - whether that be through regulating adverts/sugar content or better encouraging healthy living - rather than suggest we wait for some magic fat burning pill that doesn't turn the user into a speed junkie.

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by Moggy » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:45 pm

Rocsteady wrote:That's a defeatist attitude to take. It's one of the UK's major health problems and we need to treat it as such - whether that be through regulating adverts/sugar content or better encouraging healthy living - rather than suggest we wait for some magic fat burning pill that doesn't turn the user into a speed junkie.


It might be defeatist, but I think Karl is right. There are always going to be large numbers of people that don’t want to eat healthily and/or exercise. And they would love to control their weight via pills.

I am not sure that a magic pill is the best solution, all the government can realistically do is help to drive down the cost of healthier foods and provide subsidies for gyms/exercise. The current government are not going to do that though and so we will remain a nation of fatties.

To be fair to the government though, they did propose banning councils from charging for exercise in parks (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39604630 ).

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by That » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:52 pm

Rocsteady wrote:That's a defeatist attitude to take. It's one of the UK's major health problems and we need to treat it as such - whether that be through regulating adverts/sugar content or better encouraging healthy living - rather than suggest we wait for some magic fat burning pill that doesn't turn the user into a speed junkie.

Sure, and more broadly it's one of the developed world's major health problems. Of course I'm not suggesting we don't invest in promoting & funding healthy choices, I'm just trying to be realistic about our prospects of solving the problem by 'encouraging healthy living'. There is a proportion - probably quite large! - of fat people who aren't going to do it no matter how encouraged they are. I think it's better to have an honest assessment about our ability to tackle this before anti-obesity medication becomes available.

(It's not magic by the way, there are loads of promising candidates and eventually one of them will pass trials and become available.)

In the meantime I hope to see surgical procedures be made more widely available across a broader patient profile. Studies suggest they are vastly more effective long-term than scaring someone into going on a diet.

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by Moggy » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:54 pm

Karl wrote:There is a proportion - probably quite large!


Oh they are large alright.... ;)

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by That » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:56 pm

It's literally impossible to talk about the statistics of fat people without making puns. A broad patient profile, etc. I tried & gave up. :slol:

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by OrangeRKN » Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:03 pm

Some pharmaceuticals have been internally trialling weight loss pills for pets. It's not yet clear whether they will be as effective in humans, and they're expensive too - that's led to some criticism that selling them will only benefit fat cats in the industry.

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by Rax » Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:12 pm

OrangeRakoon wrote:Some pharmaceuticals have been internally trialling weight loss pills for pets. It's not yet clear whether they will be as effective in humans, and they're expensive too - that's led to some criticism that selling them will only benefit fat cats in the industry.

Theyre expensive now, if you can ramp up production and sell millions of them the costs will come down, theres far more fat people than fat pets.

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by That » Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:13 pm

Rax :lol: :fp:

Read it again.

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by bear » Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:20 pm

The problem I'd have with fat burning pills is that you'd risk validating the idea that heavily processed food would then be seen as healthy, or at least healthier than it is now, because the issue of fat has been solved.

Mike Jeavons has done a series of videos based on the idea of "A week on" a particular subset of food including tinned, Iceland, Tesco Value etc. They aren't presented as serious science but one thing that does stand out when watching them is the sheer amount of salt present in heavily processed food. Something like a packet of instant noodles can contain practically an entire days recommended intake of salt.


The effort has to be concentrated on improving kids relationship with food and exercise. Part of that has to be improving exercise facilities and also educating children about food through teaching kids how to cook. Genuinely, how many people leave the family now with practically zero idea how to cook? The diets of University students are legendarily awful but a lot of that is because people are barely able to boil water when they move away for University.

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by OrangeRKN » Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:29 pm

Can't cook won't cook

If it takes 5 minutes to eat a meal, why spend over 5 minutes preparing it.

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by Grumpy David » Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:00 pm

Karl wrote:
They'll take an anti-obesity pill though.



Clenbuterol. :shifty:

DNP. Dinitrophenol . :shifty: :shifty: :shifty:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2,4-Dinitrophenol

Side effects include fatal hyperthermia.

The steroid users who combine that with Test + Tren must be the sweatiest people alive.


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