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PostGuurrl gamers get sand in vagina, BBC gets caremad
by Knoyleo » Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:18 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18280000

Sexual harassment in the world of video gaming
By James Fletcher BBC World Service

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Typical gurl gamer: Notice the imperfect teeth, use of gimmicks like 3D, choice of casual games, and lack of kitchen

The world of video gaming has a problem with sexual harassment. The number of women gamers is growing fast - in the US they now make up 42% of the total - but it remains a macho environment, where women are often exposed to abusive language.
(The language in this report reflects that reality.)

"Get back in the kitchen and take your goddamn hands off a video game controller."

The male voices are aggressive, even angry. Their put-downs are laced with strong swearing and sexual insults.

"Stupid bitch," says one. "Fat whore," adds another.

"I hope your boyfriend beats you. Nah, you can't get a boyfriend."

The tirade of abuse ends and Jenny Haniver laughs.

"Get back in the kitchen?" she says. "I'm not in the kitchen because I'm here kicking your ass on video games, that's what I'm good at."

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Online gamer Jenny Haniver

We're sitting in her living room in Wisconsin, listening to audio recordings she makes when she goes online to play Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3. It's a combat-based video game, where players can talk to each other via headsets.

The recordings end up on Haniver's website, Not in the Kitchen Any More. She plays in the evening after college and says most nights she'll have to deal with harassment of some kind. Some of it just puerile, but some is graphic and threatening.

"This enemy player backed out of the middle of the match and sent me a voice message," Haniver says, remembering her worst experience. He said he hoped she would be raped and she and her family killed.

Amazingly, this is not uncommon.

Another website, Fat, Ugly or Slutty, posts examples of harassment from all games - mostly pictures of in-game messages that women receive from other gamers.

"[There's] a plethora of stupidity when it comes to what women receive in online games," says Grace, one of the site's co-founders.

"There are some people who can't even look at Fat, Ugly or Slutty because it reminds them too much of their lives, it upsets them too much," she says. "A lot of people have just walked away from online play entirely."

Several high profile incidents this year have intensified the focus on how women are treated.

In February, video game writer Jennifer Hepler was quoted in a post on the online forum Reddit, suggesting that games would be better if gamers had the option to skip the combat sections. This attracted vicious attacks in online forums and on Twitter, many of them focused on her gender.

Around the same time, a gaming competition called Cross Assault gained widespread notoriety after a male player called Aris Bakhtanians made offensive comments about fellow player Miranda Pakozdi, including guessing her bra size, talking about her body parts, and sniffing her.

All this happened face-to-face at the competition, but was broadcast on an internet video stream. The stream included a discussion in which Bakhtanians claimed that "sexual harassment is part of the culture" of their gaming community, known as the fighting game community.

Bakhtanians also defended the casual use of the word "rape" and phrases like "rape that bitch" as expressions for defeating another character.

"There's nothing unacceptable about that," he claimed. "We're in America, man. This isn't North Korea, we can say what we want."

Pakozdi eventually quit the competition, and a video of excerpts from the internet stream went viral, quickly gaining 200,000 hits on YouTube. Bakhtanians released a statement saying he'd made a mistake and apologising to Pakozdi.

The Cross Assault incident sparked an intense debate.

"Just watching it happen made me a little angry, it was hard for me to watch," says Emily Chow, a member of the fighting game community in Toronto, Canada.

After Cross Assault she blogged about her own experiences of harassment.

"I feel like I should start taking a stronger stand against people who do act this way," she says.

Post-fight statements

Aris Bakhtanians:

I realise now that I should not have treated Miranda the way I did, and I should not have encouraged others to do so on the stream. I apologised to Miranda at Cross Assault and am apologising again to her now. I clearly made a mistake and I will live with it. I'm deeply sorry to everyone involved.

Miranda Pakozdi:

Maybe some people don't understand that it was just one person who did this to me. I was so appalled at what Aris said on the fifth night that I could not stop crying. The next day I made the decision to leave because of it. In short: my coach was a jerk, he doesn't represent the entire community.


Vince Hui, another Toronto player, says harassment is "a little bit of an epidemic" within the video game community. "In a lot of ways we need to learn to grow up a little bit," he says.

But not everyone felt that Cross Assault was cause for change. Jonathan Quamina, an avid gamer, expressed his support for Bakhtanians, telling him not to apologise.

"As a female you can't get upset if something is said that is obscene if you're hanging out in a room full of guys," he says.

"It's like going to a strip club as a female and getting upset that the chicks are all naked. For me it goes back to freedom of speech. We're a harmless bunch of people. This is just guys being stupid guys."

There's also been pressure this year for gaming companies to do more to combat harassment.

Recently, an online video series called Extra Credits launched a campaign targeting Microsoft's Xbox Live online gaming platform, describing it as "the service most often referenced when harassment in our community comes up".

On the Fat, Ugly or Slutty website, the majority of submissions also come from Xbox Live. Grace from the site says that although gamers can report harassment, there's a widespread perception this achieves nothing.

"I feel a little sad," she says. "For some of the ones that I feel are really blatantly harassing it seems to me that maybe there should be something harsher for it, but maybe not everybody agrees and maybe not even Microsoft agrees."

Looking through the Xbox-related posts on Fat, Ugly or Slutty, it's not hard to find examples that confirm Grace's concerns.

"You are a dumb slut, you stupid whore, I would rape you..." was one example reported to Microsoft - and was sent from an account that is still active.

I found several other similar messages, confirmed that they had been reported, and sent them to Microsoft, requesting an interview to ask why these accounts were still active and what action had been taken. Microsoft turned the request down.

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Grace, of Fat Ugly or Slutty, says many women gamers feel reporting abuse achieves nothing

But Extra Credits appears to have had some success. In mid-May, the campaigners were invited to a meeting with Microsoft.

In a statement provided after the meeting, Microsoft said that "bullying and harassment are not welcome on Xbox LIVE" but admitted that "more can be done to create a safe and supportive play environment". - So long as they don't have to ban people who are paying a subscription.

Microsoft says it is working on "near and long-term improvements to Xbox Live" and "our commitment to solving this problem is strong".

James Portnow, from Extra Credits, says: "It looks like they're really making some attempts to move forward with better enforcement. Of course in this industry I don't believe anything until it's out in front of the consumer."

For gamers like Jenny Haniver, any improvements will be welcome.

"I have met so many cool people through Xbox Live, the vast majority of the community is kind and welcoming. It's the absolute minority of people who are jerks, they're just a really loud minority.


I can't see Microsoft really changing their stance drastically on this type of thing any time soon, they're far too concerned with keeping their live subs rolling in to start banning people for harassment that's as common as this.
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PostRe: Guurrl gamers get sand in vagina, BBC gets caremad
by Minto » Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:28 am

I wouldn't use my headset on LIVE unless I am playing in a party with mates, the amount of abuse you get from utter tools is unreal. Male or female it doesn't matter.

Oh and would 8-)
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by Tineash » Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:49 am

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by Codename 47 » Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:51 am

Minto wrote:I wouldn't use my headset on LIVE unless I am playing in a party with mates, the amount of abuse you get from utter tools is unreal. Male or female it doesn't matter.

Oh and would 8-)


Pretty much agree with everything in this post :lol:

It's probably because there are a large amount of young kids playing on Live but I swear there's still this weird sense of awe and amazement when some people realise that they are or have been playing against a girl :lol: I've heard stories of guys seriously asking a girl out and asking for their number when they've realised a girl's been involved in their game/match.
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by Monkey Man » Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:57 am

Wait until Grandpa comes on his Wii U and starts spouting racism, then you'll be offended.

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by superfurryfox » Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:59 am

I think I am in love with Jenny Haniver :wub:
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by Minto » Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:27 am

superfurryfox wrote:I think I am in love with Jenny Haniver :wub:

Add her on LIVE and stalk tell her. :shifty:

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by Mafro » Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:34 am

Minto wrote:
superfurryfox wrote:I think I am in love with Jenny Haniver :wub:

Add her on LIVE and stalk tell her. :shifty:

:wub:

Part of the problem.
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by Minto » Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:35 am

Mafro wrote:
Minto wrote:
superfurryfox wrote:I think I am in love with Jenny Haniver :wub:

Add her on LIVE and stalk tell her. :shifty:

:wub:

Part of the problem.

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by Lotus » Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:02 pm

Gamers in 'being twats' shocker!

The reason I don't bother with online play is because most people are banana splits. Nobody deserves abuse when they play online, for any reason, but the amount of immature idiots online who take games way too seriously are far too numerous.

I'm all for banter *shudder* online I guess, but petty insults and cheap shots aren't really on. How do you stop it though? Nobody seems bothered enough to do anything about it, especially if it will affect profit. If you banned people for being twats, you'd ban 90% of Xbox Live and, I'm guessing, PSN users.
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by PCCD » Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:36 pm

That's the price of online anonymity unfortunately.
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by Alpha eX » Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:46 pm

They should stop calling themselves girl gamers and don't need to make a song and dance when they form a girl gaming clan. They're gamers, we all are, no need to specifically say "girl gamer".
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by Vermin » Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:25 pm

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by Pontius Pilate » Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:40 pm

At the weekend, a self described king of mario kart 64 challenged me to a game. I'm no pro, and I embarrassed her. She even threw her conrtroller off the floor.

LOL GIRL GAMERS.
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by KjGarly » Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:43 pm

How did she throw it off the floor?
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:lol:
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by Knoyleo » Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:00 pm

I once knew a girl who laughed at a Pacman joke on TV. strawberry floating GIRL GAMERS! :x
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by smurphy » Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:24 pm

Knoyleo wrote:
In February, video game writer Jennifer Hepler was quoted in a post on the online forum Reddit, suggesting that games would be better if gamers had the option to skip the combat sections. This attracted vicious attacks in online forums and on Twitter, many of them focused on her gender.


Stupid bint. :lol:
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by Dig Dug » Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:34 pm

smurphy wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
In February, video game writer Jennifer Hepler was quoted in a post on the online forum Reddit, suggesting that games would be better if gamers had the option to skip the combat sections. This attracted vicious attacks in online forums and on Twitter, many of them focused on her gender.


Stupid bint. :lol:


In all fairness one of the best things about Fallout 3 was being able to talk your way out of trouble and being rewarded for it.
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by Meep » Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:49 pm

Dig Dug wrote:
smurphy wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
In February, video game writer Jennifer Hepler was quoted in a post on the online forum Reddit, suggesting that games would be better if gamers had the option to skip the combat sections. This attracted vicious attacks in online forums and on Twitter, many of them focused on her gender.


Stupid bint. :lol:


In all fairness one of the best things about Fallout 3 was being able to talk your way out of trouble and being rewarded for it.

Yup, Speech was one of my main stats in the Fallout games and I always tried to take the least violent solution, that was awesome. It's a shame Skyrim did not follow in this vein.

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