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by Peter Crisp » Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:02 pm

I would like to see the rules about football clubs changed so that they can only spend a maximum of 50% of income on wages and 25% being allocated to the youth team.

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by aayl1 » Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:03 pm

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Lucien wrote:Let's downsize that massive boat a footballer could have got, to a small boat, and use the money on... saving lifes?


That's a bullshit argument and you know it. People are spending money on what they want to spend it on. If they're not spending it on football tickets, they're not about to start spending it on saving lives. They're going to buy something else fun.


What I mean is...

Instead of a man being paid £25 million, he is paid £1 million and the rest is transferred to the state to spend.

Or in othe words, Manchester United make 'y' amount per year, and can only pay 'x' while 'y - x' goes to the government. Like that, but across all high paying industry.


How would that work?! If the company paying him knows that 24 of that 25m are going to the state, they wouldn't pay him 25! They'd pay him 1m and keep the rest for themselves! We need more taxes for higher earners, not a pay cap.


Example: (Let's imagine)

Manchester United make £500 million per year, they spend £400 million.

*A wage cap is brought in*

Manchester United make £500 million per year, they now spend £200 million. The money 'saved', through taxation, increases money going to the state.

So maybe in the short term Manchester United loses out, more teams can afford capped rate players. Sucks for them. Money will be more evenly distributed, anyone can win the league and more money goes to the government in the medium to long term.

MCN wrote:What strawberry floating right does the state have to take that money from him? What if the Government told you you didn't need to earn more than £65 per week (the current rate of Jobseekers Allowance for over-25s), and that you should hand over any money that you earn over that?


Well if the government decided that you couldn't do anything about it, could you? Difference being we're talking about a man being deprived of food on one end, and a yacht on the other.

We'll never agree, me and Lagamorph are going to go set up a better state ourselves, albeit with shitter football teams. C'mon Laga. 8-)


You missed my point.

Why would Manchester United keep paying this guy £500m if he won't get it?! They'd drop it down to £200m which is the max he can earn! And then they'd keep the £300m for themselves!

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by Skarjo » Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:08 pm

What the strawberry float has footballers wages got to do with Sean Penn being a dick about the Falklands?

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by lex-man » Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:09 pm

aaronayl1 wrote:
Lucien wrote:
aaronayl1 wrote:
Lucien wrote:
Somebody Else's Problem wrote:
Lucien wrote:Let's downsize that massive boat a footballer could have got, to a small boat, and use the money on... saving lifes?


That's a bullshit argument and you know it. People are spending money on what they want to spend it on. If they're not spending it on football tickets, they're not about to start spending it on saving lives. They're going to buy something else fun.


What I mean is...

Instead of a man being paid £25 million, he is paid £1 million and the rest is transferred to the state to spend.

Or in othe words, Manchester United make 'y' amount per year, and can only pay 'x' while 'y - x' goes to the government. Like that, but across all high paying industry.


How would that work?! If the company paying him knows that 24 of that 25m are going to the state, they wouldn't pay him 25! They'd pay him 1m and keep the rest for themselves! We need more taxes for higher earners, not a pay cap.


Example: (Let's imagine)

Manchester United make £500 million per year, they spend £400 million.

*A wage cap is brought in*

Manchester United make £500 million per year, they now spend £200 million. The money 'saved', through taxation, increases money going to the state.

So maybe in the short term Manchester United loses out, more teams can afford capped rate players. Sucks for them. Money will be more evenly distributed, anyone can win the league and more money goes to the government in the medium to long term.

MCN wrote:What strawberry floating right does the state have to take that money from him? What if the Government told you you didn't need to earn more than £65 per week (the current rate of Jobseekers Allowance for over-25s), and that you should hand over any money that you earn over that?


Well if the government decided that you couldn't do anything about it, could you? Difference being we're talking about a man being deprived of food on one end, and a yacht on the other.

We'll never agree, me and Lagamorph are going to go set up a better state ourselves, albeit with shitter football teams. C'mon Laga. 8-)


You missed my point.

Why would Manchester United keep paying this guy £500m if he won't get it?! They'd drop it down to £200m which is the max he can earn! And then they'd keep the £300m for themselves!


Football works on inflated prices wealth business men pump in large amounts of cash knowing they won't make any ROI. Look at Chelsea or Man City there is no way there income covers the cost of running those teams. The majority of teams in the football league run at loses and those that have zero debt often have been paid off by sugar daddies. So Man Utd would pay the money because otherwise the players would go else where and if they do will be less competitiveness and then will lose revenue steams by dropping out of competitions and losing supporters.

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by lex-man » Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:10 pm

Skarjo wrote:What the strawberry float has footballers wages got to do with Sean Penn being a dick about the Falklands?


He's paid too much and so are footballers although people seem to be more concerned about footballers pay rather than actors or musicians.

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PostRe: Sean Penn appears to have lost his mind
by Peter Crisp » Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:11 pm

Skarjo wrote:What the strawberry float has footballers wages got to do with Sean Penn being a dick about the Falklands?


He was just about to get onto the footballers wages problem but the interview ended :shifty: .

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PostRe: Sean Penn appears to have lost his mind
by jamcc » Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:18 pm

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:And something about the Falklands.


Try to keep the talk on topic.

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by Lagamorph » Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:19 pm

Skarjo wrote:What the strawberry float has footballers wages got to do with Sean Penn being a dick about the Falklands?

Someone brought up swapping oil rights for yet another overpaid footballer and I pointed out the oil would be more worthwhile. Obviously I was wrong and footballers are a far more valuable commodity than Oil ever has been or can ever hope to be from the looks of things.
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In a vain last ditch effort to get the thread back on topic, we should turn around and say that Sean Penn has a point. However, he must acknowledge that if Argentina has a valid right to reclaim the Falklands, the UK has just as valid a right to reclaim the original 13 American Colonies. Pretty much the same principle really :lol:

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PostRe: Sean Penn appears to have lost his mind
by jamcc » Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:28 pm

No.... Laga, come on now. Stop being dense.

It was the fact that, as you've done again, you referred to Messi/ footballers in general as being overpaid. And you know that.

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by lex-man » Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:26 pm

Lagamorph wrote:
Skarjo wrote:What the strawberry float has footballers wages got to do with Sean Penn being a dick about the Falklands?

Someone brought up swapping oil rights for yet another overpaid footballer and I pointed out the oil would be more worthwhile. Obviously I was wrong and footballers are a far more valuable commodity than Oil ever has been or can ever hope to be from the looks of things.
Time to invent a car that can run by burning professional footballers. That way all our problems are solved.


In a vain last ditch effort to get the thread back on topic, we should turn around and say that Sean Penn has a point. However, he must acknowledge that if Argentina has a valid right to reclaim the Falklands, the UK has just as valid a right to reclaim the original 13 American Colonies. Pretty much the same principle really :lol:


Surely Mexico's claim on Texas and California is far stronger than Argentina's claim on the the Falkland islands.

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by Moggy » Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:20 pm

lex-man wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:
Skarjo wrote:What the strawberry float has footballers wages got to do with Sean Penn being a dick about the Falklands?

Someone brought up swapping oil rights for yet another overpaid footballer and I pointed out the oil would be more worthwhile. Obviously I was wrong and footballers are a far more valuable commodity than Oil ever has been or can ever hope to be from the looks of things.
Time to invent a car that can run by burning professional footballers. That way all our problems are solved.


In a vain last ditch effort to get the thread back on topic, we should turn around and say that Sean Penn has a point. However, he must acknowledge that if Argentina has a valid right to reclaim the Falklands, the UK has just as valid a right to reclaim the original 13 American Colonies. Pretty much the same principle really :lol:


Surely Mexico's claim on Texas and California is far stronger than Argentina's claim on the the Falkland islands.


And there are quite large areas of France that we could take back.

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by Alvin Flummux » Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:30 pm

lex-man wrote:Surely Mexico's claim on Texas and California is far stronger than Argentina's claim on the the Falkland islands.


Immigration over the next few generations will see the Mexican populations of the south-western states explode, and with that and its already growing economic power (isn't it in the world's Top #20?), the already strong Mexican cultural influence will really begin to dominate. As the home country is just a short jaunt cross-country from those south-western states, and not a long way over the ocean as is the case for other large populations of ethnic migrants in America, the case for Mexican repossession of these regions can only get stronger.

But none of that will have any effect on anything unless Mexico sorts its gooseberry fool out in regards to the endless cycles of drug wars and whatnot. If it can beat them (probably by legalising and regulating them, rather than a genocidal utter annihilation scenario), if it can tame itself, it'll be on the path to a confrontation with a US already reliant on migrant workers to counterbalance falling birth rates, which may well decide the future balance of power on the North American continent.

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by Ecno » Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:30 pm

Alaska is closer to Russia/Canada than mainline USA.

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by Alvin Flummux » Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:34 pm

Lucien wrote:
lex-man wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:
Skarjo wrote:What the strawberry float has footballers wages got to do with Sean Penn being a dick about the Falklands?

Someone brought up swapping oil rights for yet another overpaid footballer and I pointed out the oil would be more worthwhile. Obviously I was wrong and footballers are a far more valuable commodity than Oil ever has been or can ever hope to be from the looks of things.
Time to invent a car that can run by burning professional footballers. That way all our problems are solved.


In a vain last ditch effort to get the thread back on topic, we should turn around and say that Sean Penn has a point. However, he must acknowledge that if Argentina has a valid right to reclaim the Falklands, the UK has just as valid a right to reclaim the original 13 American Colonies. Pretty much the same principle really :lol:


Surely Mexico's claim on Texas and California is far stronger than Argentina's claim on the the Falkland islands.


I wouldn't think so - weren't they ceded to America after a war?


A war America provoked via James K. Polk's belligerence.

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by Ecno » Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:38 pm

The Falkland Islanders celebrate Margret Thatcher Day on the 10th January every year.

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by Alvin Flummux » Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:40 pm

Ecno wrote:The Falkland Islanders celebrate Margret Thatcher Day on the 10th January every year.


:x

That's it, hand 'em over to Argentina.

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by Alvin Flummux » Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:43 pm

Lucien wrote:
Alvin Flummux wrote:
Lucien wrote:
lex-man wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:
Skarjo wrote:What the strawberry float has footballers wages got to do with Sean Penn being a dick about the Falklands?

Someone brought up swapping oil rights for yet another overpaid footballer and I pointed out the oil would be more worthwhile. Obviously I was wrong and footballers are a far more valuable commodity than Oil ever has been or can ever hope to be from the looks of things.
Time to invent a car that can run by burning professional footballers. That way all our problems are solved.


In a vain last ditch effort to get the thread back on topic, we should turn around and say that Sean Penn has a point. However, he must acknowledge that if Argentina has a valid right to reclaim the Falklands, the UK has just as valid a right to reclaim the original 13 American Colonies. Pretty much the same principle really :lol:


Surely Mexico's claim on Texas and California is far stronger than Argentina's claim on the the Falkland islands.


I wouldn't think so - weren't they ceded to America after a war?


A war America provoked via James K. Polk's belligerence.


I don'[t know anything about it tbh, but I thought it was started when Texas wanted to become independent from Mexico and join the US?


Texas fought for its own independence, and later joined the US. California was won during the Mexican-American War, to which I was referring.

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by Something Fishy » Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:45 pm

Alvin Flummux wrote:
Ecno wrote:The Falkland Islanders celebrate Margret Thatcher Day on the 10th January every year.


:x

That's it, hand 'em over to Argentina.

I was unaware of this. I concur, if they won't to be like that about it.

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PostRe: Sean Penn appears to have lost his mind
by Parksey » Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:11 am

A professor of US History at Oxford said that Penn should really be more concerned about Malibu's plight (where he has a home), than the Falkland's. Malibu being a territory that should, by right, belong to Mexico than the USA.

That's before we even consider what "Americans" did to the natives over there or, indeed, some of the films Penn himself has inflicted on mankind.


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