Brexit Thread 2

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by DML » Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:06 pm

Curls wrote:So I've lost track. Of course I understand that May's deal will most likely be voted down next week. But what then, does anyone in the know how think this can possibly end well?

As time goes on with more uncertainty, does the hope for a second referendum increase?


No-one really knows right now, but any option we go with wth be massive unpalatable to a huge swathe of the popultaion, and yet we have to listen to politicians claim we will face 'massive division', despite the fact its clear to everyone we are already there.

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:04 pm

Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Ho-Ho-Ho-tek wrote:Yo Star dude, you're talking complete bollox.

Norway and Sweden have arount 80 border crossings, we have about 275.

I also don't think any land owned by anyone crosses the border between Norway and Sweden, we have lots of farms that have land north and south here.


I must have read the numbers the other way round. But still only one crossing has an actual border check. As I've said previously I want to stay in the EU but EFTA and EEA membership is surely the next best option. But it's not going to happen anyway as there is no will for it.


It’s not that there’s no will for it. It’s because it doesn’t work when you take the Good Friday Agreement into account.


But in that case no other arrangement works other than staying in the EU.

I'm still not sure why the good Friday agreement would mean it wouldn't work anyway. If you had EEA membership then border checks are not required. Norway appear to choose to conducts some checks because they want to, not because of any requirements.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by DML » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:21 pm

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Ho-Ho-Ho-tek wrote:Yo Star dude, you're talking complete bollox.

Norway and Sweden have arount 80 border crossings, we have about 275.

I also don't think any land owned by anyone crosses the border between Norway and Sweden, we have lots of farms that have land north and south here.


I must have read the numbers the other way round. But still only one crossing has an actual border check. As I've said previously I want to stay in the EU but EFTA and EEA membership is surely the next best option. But it's not going to happen anyway as there is no will for it.


It’s not that there’s no will for it. It’s because it doesn’t work when you take the Good Friday Agreement into account.


But in that case no other arrangement works other than staying in the EU.


That and the current deal. You're catching on!

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by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:40 pm

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Ho-Ho-Ho-tek wrote:Yo Star dude, you're talking complete bollox.

Norway and Sweden have arount 80 border crossings, we have about 275.

I also don't think any land owned by anyone crosses the border between Norway and Sweden, we have lots of farms that have land north and south here.


I must have read the numbers the other way round. But still only one crossing has an actual border check. As I've said previously I want to stay in the EU but EFTA and EEA membership is surely the next best option. But it's not going to happen anyway as there is no will for it.


It’s not that there’s no will for it. It’s because it doesn’t work when you take the Good Friday Agreement into account.


But in that case no other arrangement works other than staying in the EU.

I'm still not sure why the good Friday agreement would mean it wouldn't work anyway. If you had EEA membership then border checks are not required. Norway appear to choose to conducts some checks because they want to, not because of any requirements.


Staying in the EU is best, I agree.

Where do you get the idea that Norway only carry out checks because they want to? They let individuals through without checking, but they check lorries and goods. Because they’re not in the customs union.

That’s why the Norway model doesn’t work. You’d have to have Norway+ for it to work (which is Norway plus the customs union).

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by lex-man » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:52 pm

Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Ho-Ho-Ho-tek wrote:Yo Star dude, you're talking complete bollox.

Norway and Sweden have arount 80 border crossings, we have about 275.

I also don't think any land owned by anyone crosses the border between Norway and Sweden, we have lots of farms that have land north and south here.


I must have read the numbers the other way round. But still only one crossing has an actual border check. As I've said previously I want to stay in the EU but EFTA and EEA membership is surely the next best option. But it's not going to happen anyway as there is no will for it.


It’s not that there’s no will for it. It’s because it doesn’t work when you take the Good Friday Agreement into account.


But in that case no other arrangement works other than staying in the EU.

I'm still not sure why the good Friday agreement would mean it wouldn't work anyway. If you had EEA membership then border checks are not required. Norway appear to choose to conducts some checks because they want to, not because of any requirements.


Staying in the EU is best, I agree.

Where do you get the idea that Norway only carry out checks because they want to? They let individuals through without checking, but they check lorries and goods. Because they’re not in the customs union.

That’s why the Norway model doesn’t work. You’d have to have Norway+ for it to work (which is Norway plus the customs union).


We might of being able to get that a year ago.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:15 pm

lex-man wrote:
Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Ho-Ho-Ho-tek wrote:Yo Star dude, you're talking complete bollox.

Norway and Sweden have arount 80 border crossings, we have about 275.

I also don't think any land owned by anyone crosses the border between Norway and Sweden, we have lots of farms that have land north and south here.


I must have read the numbers the other way round. But still only one crossing has an actual border check. As I've said previously I want to stay in the EU but EFTA and EEA membership is surely the next best option. But it's not going to happen anyway as there is no will for it.


It’s not that there’s no will for it. It’s because it doesn’t work when you take the Good Friday Agreement into account.


But in that case no other arrangement works other than staying in the EU.

I'm still not sure why the good Friday agreement would mean it wouldn't work anyway. If you had EEA membership then border checks are not required. Norway appear to choose to conducts some checks because they want to, not because of any requirements.


Staying in the EU is best, I agree.

Where do you get the idea that Norway only carry out checks because they want to? They let individuals through without checking, but they check lorries and goods. Because they’re not in the customs union.

That’s why the Norway model doesn’t work. You’d have to have Norway+ for it to work (which is Norway plus the customs union).


We might of being able to get that a year ago.


We probably still could, but as we won’t accept free movement it’s dead in the water.

And even if we did get it, it’s far worse than just remaining. The Leavers would hate it, the Remainers would see it as a waste of time compared to what we have/had.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Squinty » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:35 pm

So that's another line crossed, threatening another nation with starvation is totally cool now I guess.

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by lex-man » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:40 pm

Squinty wrote:So that's another line crossed, threatening another nation with starvation is totally cool now I guess.


According to the FT the leavers are getting geared up for another referendum.

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by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:37 am

Squinty wrote:So that's another line crossed, threatening another nation with starvation is totally cool now I guess.


Threatening the Irish with starvation? It sounds like something we’ve done before....

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by Meep In Heavenly Peace » Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:52 pm

Ireland is way more self-sufficient in food than the UK. It could feed itself without any imports if necessary. The UK, on the other hand, would starve pretty quickly.

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by Sleighamorph » Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:57 pm

Meep In Heavenly Peace wrote:Ireland is way more self-sufficient in food than the UK. It could feed itself without any imports if necessary. The UK, on the other hand, would starve pretty quickly.

Nah, we have limitless supplies of Gammon.

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by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:12 pm

Garth of Christmas Future wrote:


Remember that the next time a Leaver is complaining about how nasty Remainers are.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Christmas CrackErrkal » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:27 pm

That's only because remainders being nasty to gammon, they are doing it to foreign people and lefties who don't have souls so it doesn't matter :roll:

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by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:35 pm

Christmas CrackErrkal wrote:That's only because remainders being nasty to gammon, they are doing it to foreign people and lefties who don't have souls so it doesn't matter :roll:


Theresa May is neither foreign or a lefty.

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by Christmas CrackErrkal » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:41 pm

Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
Christmas CrackErrkal wrote:That's only because remainders being nasty to gammon, they are doing it to foreign people and lefties who don't have souls so it doesn't matter :roll:


Theresa May is neither foreign or a lefty.


I also meant to add anti-demotatic sabatours


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