6 Nations Thread 2012 - Wales Grand Slam Winners!

[Donk]

Also, the yellow card against England today was one of the most ludicrous decisions I've ever seen.

Really unsure how a cynical deliberate knock on getting a yellow is ludicrous? Brian Moore back to his worse today. He's good, as long as it doesn't involve England.

[Hypes]

Also, the yellow card against England today was one of the most ludicrous decisions I've ever seen.

Really unsure how a cynical deliberate knock on getting a yellow is ludicrous? Brian Moore back to his worse today. He's good, as long as it doesn't involve England.

Because it wasn't cynical or deliberate. If you think it was then what's your opinion of the far more cynical and deliberate knock on by the French?

[Donk]

Also, the yellow card against England today was one of the most ludicrous decisions I've ever seen.

Really unsure how a cynical deliberate knock on getting a yellow is ludicrous? Brian Moore back to his worse today. He's good, as long as it doesn't involve England.

Because it wasn't cynical or deliberate. If you think it was then what's your opinion of the far more cynical and deliberate knock on by the French?

What, the one where the player jumped up and slapped the ball up in an attempt to get the ball? Not cynical at all. A slap down isn't an interception attempt.

[Something Fishy]

Also, the yellow card against England today was one of the most ludicrous decisions I've ever seen.

Really unsure how a cynical deliberate knock on getting a yellow is ludicrous? Brian Moore back to his worse today. He's good, as long as it doesn't involve England.

as long as it is consistent I guess. The fact he didn't yellow France for the same was harsh.

[Donk]

Also, the yellow card against England today was one of the most ludicrous decisions I've ever seen.

Really unsure how a cynical deliberate knock on getting a yellow is ludicrous? Brian Moore back to his worse today. He's good, as long as it doesn't involve England.

as long as it is consistent I guess. The fact he didn't yellow France for the same was harsh.

The French version was an interception attempt and never a penalty. It utterly annoys me how much power rugby pundits have to form opinion.

[Something Fishy]

It really didn't look so different to me, either could have been read as deliberate from what I can see.

[Pancake]

Both looked like interception attempts rather than cynical foul play in my opinion.

[Slartibartfast]

Oh dear, the yellow card was for repeated infringements, not for the individual offence.

Collective responsibility and all that.

[Pancake]

I wouldn't claim to be particularly knowledgeable about the rules of rugby and all its subtleties but the idea of collective responsibility sounds bloody daft.

[Slartibartfast]

Really? It's a team sport.

[Pancake]

A team is made up of individuals.

[Slartibartfast]

Errrr... I can't exactly disagree with that statement. But individuals in a team have a collective responsibility to adhere to the laws. Repeated infringements from multiple players has to be punished.

Have you ever played rugby?

[Lotus]

Oh dear, the yellow card was for repeated infringements, not for the individual offence.

Collective responsibility and all that.

Rolland said, "it was a deliberate knock-on, while trying to get the pass away, he's given me no option but to give a yellow card for that".

Not quite "for repeated infringements", is it?

I don't think it was a cynical or deliberate knock-on as Donk suggests, Sharples looked like he was trying to intercept. Fofana's seemed more cynical if anything.

[Something Fishy]

those infringements were in the first half, this was the second and he hadn't warned in that half. Can't be that surely.

[Tomous]

I wouldn't claim to be particularly knowledgeable about the rules of rugby and all its subtleties but the idea of collective responsibility sounds bloody daft.

Not at all. Rugby gets it spot on in that sense and I wish football would take note.

Teams shouldn't be allowed to repeatedly offend again and again without receiving bigger punishments just because it's different offenders each time.

[Eighthours]

I'm hoping Scotland will continue their streak this weekend. Five games out of five? I think we have the talent to make it happen.

Did no one in Scotland take a look at the England games where Andy Robinson was in charge?

[Pancake]

Errrr... I can't exactly disagree with that statement. But individuals in a team have a collective responsibility to adhere to the laws. Repeated infringements from multiple players has to be punished.

Have you ever played rugby?

Never played, no. Don't really even watch it apart from the 6 Nations and I certainly don't claim to be know much about it.

Collective responsibility as a concept, however, sounds illogical. Rules are rules so punishments should be punishments. Why should Sharples suffer the ignomony of a yellow card just because, say, Earnshaw and Croft had committed a similar felony earlier in the game? As it's a team sport, any individual error has an adverse effect on the team anyway - if Rolland had simply given a penalty then that would have punished England but been consistent. It all sounds very nice to say 'individuals in a team have a collective responsibility to adhere to the laws' but ultimately, teams don't break rules, individuals do. The only way to deal fairly with that is through consitency of punishment.

[Tomous]

Collective responsibility as a concept, however, sounds illogical.

If a team are deliberately breaking the rules, on a consistent basis to disrupt the opposition's game, they should be punished by having to play with 14 men for 10 minutes.

The refeere will tell the team's captain he's not happy with their persistent fouling and warn that him that he'll produce a yellow card if it continues. So the individuals should be aware of the situation and so it's their fault if they then find themselves in the bin.

[Eighthours]

Collective responsibility as a concept, however, sounds illogical.

If a team are deliberately breaking the rules, on a consistent basis to disrupt the opposition's game, they should be punished by having to play with 14 men for 10 minutes.

The refeere will tell the team's captain he's not happy with their persistent fouling and warn that him that he'll produce a yellow card if it continues. So the individuals should be aware of the situation and so it's their fault if they then find themselves in the bin.

Aside from deliberately infringing in order to prevent a try (which often doesn't lead to a penalty try, incidentally), there really is no excuse for getting a yellow card in rugby. You generally have to behave like an idiot time after time, forgetting fundamental rules.

[Tomous]

Collective responsibility as a concept, however, sounds illogical.

If a team are deliberately breaking the rules, on a consistent basis to disrupt the opposition's game, they should be punished by having to play with 14 men for 10 minutes.

The refeere will tell the team's captain he's not happy with their persistent fouling and warn that him that he'll produce a yellow card if it continues. So the individuals should be aware of the situation and so it's their fault if they then find themselves in the bin.

Aside from deliberately infringing in order to prevent a try (which often doesn't lead to a penalty try, incidentally), there really is no excuse for getting a yellow card in rugby. You generally have to behave like an idiot time after time, forgetting fundamental rules.

Agreed to a certain extent.

Incidentally though, thought Halfpenny's yellow card was harsh on Saturday. Eyes on the ball, not trying to tackle the player. Penalty? Yes. Yellow card seemed harsh-even Jeremy Guscott agreed!