Abolish the monarchy!

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Do you support the monarchy?

Yes, King Chuck was simply born better than me
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PostAbolish the monarchy!
by Herdanos » Fri Apr 28, 2023 12:38 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... c-services

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As a billionaire king is crowned, he urges us to do some charity work. Welcome to Britain

Charles’ coronation initiative is no surprise – the royals seem to prefer ad hoc philanthropy to actually funding public services

Don’t have plans for the coronation bank holiday? Fear not. The king invites you to join the Big Help Out, a national day of volunteering designed to mark the new reign. Or as the Telegraph breathlessly describes it, a “tribute to Charles’s many decades of public service”.

The Big Help Out will, according to the official website, “give everyone an opportunity to join in”. What acts of charity would Buckingham Palace like us to join in with, exactly? Squeezing out toothpaste for an elderly neighbour, perhaps. Or staffing a local art centre (do remember not to take the art home with you).

With the cost of living crisis leading to growing hardship across the country, especially in the poorest communities, there is said to be a national shortage of volunteers to meet the demand for them. Organisers were hoping the Big Help Out would inspire a new wave of volunteering, but some in the charity fear the event will be “damp squib”, due to lack of participants.

Is one really shocked? A man whose car collection alone is estimated to be worth more than £6m asking the rest of us to celebrate his kingship by helping out at the local food bank feels, shall we say, a little “let them eat quiche”.

Volunteering can be hugely rewarding, and many organisations are in desperate need of more help, but there may be better ways to promote the cause than an event that is literally about deference to hereditary privilege. People who are already working every hour just to put food on the table hardly need a billionaire to ask them to use their day off to do more.

As commentary on this country’s relationship with class goes, it could only be more crass if one of the volunteering jobs on offer was for families to scrub King Charles’s golden carriage with their electricity bills.

Charity, monarchy fans insist, is a longstanding personal interest of the royal family. In the runup to the coronation, the Princess of Wales made a “previously unannounced” visit to Windsor’s baby bank for deprived newborns (photographers were there entirely coincidentally, you understand). More than 850 community and charity representatives have been invited to the coronation to show the king’s deep respect for their work and 400 young volunteers will also watch from St Margaret’s church, Westminster Abbey.

No news as yet as to whether any representatives from HMRC have been invited. Royals always seem to prefer ad hoc charity work to taxation, much like the boss of Amazon or the Victorians. The £1bn Duchy of Cornwall estate – previously inherited by Charles and recently passed on to Prince William – is not liable for either corporation tax or capital gains tax.

But don’t worry, according to the duchy’s website, under Charles’s leadership, the estate’s annual multimillion-pound revenue was used to fund his “public, private and charitable activities”. Charles notably didn’t pay a single penny of inheritance tax on the fortune the late Queen left him last year (the jewellery alone was estimated to be worth at least £533m), though he has “volunteered” to pay income tax, as he also did on the duchy estate. “Volunteering” to pay tax feels a little like a wanted criminal “volunteering” to hand himself over to the authorities. It doesn’t seem to be something you typically get a choice in.

For the little people, tax isn’t a hobby – it funds the key services we all rely on. Indeed, the “crisis in volunteering” that the Big Help Out hopes to fill has largely been created by years of government cuts, all while the richest have hoarded and increased their wealth. Over the last decade, local councils have faced £15bn in real-terms cuts with neighbourhood services such as parks, libraries and children’s centres “hollowed out” since 2010.

There is apparently no money for Sure Start centres but you’ll be relieved to hear ministers have found £8m to offer every public body a free portrait of King Charles. Oliver Dowden, the new deputy prime minister and patriot in chief, says the portraits would bring the nation together. So would working hospitals.

The coronation itself is estimated to be costing the public purse anywhere from £50m to £100m. Charles’s personal fortune is thought to be almost £2bn, but as anyone who has ever gotten a £60 ticket to St Pancras on expenses knows, a 1.3-mile coronation procession can very much be put down as a “work trip”.

In the coming days, there will be endless commentators ready to declare that the coronation makes them “proud to be British”, while anyone who criticises any aspect of it will be accused of “hating their country”. I have never quite understood the mindset that feels more pride in producing Prince Andrew than the welfare state. At the very least, we should surely be allowed to ask some questions. Can a modern nation call itself democratic if it retains an unelected head of state? Is a growing reliance on charity a point of celebration or shame? Does sanitising the existence of royalty normalise wider inequality? As a diamond-encrusted crown is placed on the king’s head, your packed local homeless shelter is desperate for help. Don’t you feel proud to be British?




It remains a stain on our nation's reputation that we unquestionably allow this charade to continue.

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PostRe: Abolish the monarchy!
by Tomous » Fri Apr 28, 2023 12:40 pm

I'm a normal, well adjusted person so no, I don't support the monarchy.

The French had the right idea.

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PostRe: Abolish the monarchy!
by Mommy Christmas » Fri Apr 28, 2023 12:40 pm

The Royal family brings in a lot of revenue through tourism apparently, so I see them as a necessary evil.
Do I support them? No, I've got enough on my plate with wasting my energy on them.

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PostRe: Abolish the monarchy!
by Moggy » Fri Apr 28, 2023 12:40 pm

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PostRe: Abolish the monarchy!
by Moggy » Fri Apr 28, 2023 12:41 pm

Mommy wrote:The Royal family brings in a lot of revenue through tourism apparently, so I see them as a necessary evil.


They really don't.

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PostRe: Abolish the monarchy!
by Mommy Christmas » Fri Apr 28, 2023 12:42 pm

Moggy wrote:
Mommy wrote:The Royal family brings in a lot of revenue through tourism apparently, so I see them as a necessary evil.


They really don't.


Don't they? I understood it to be in the billions.

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PostRe: Abolish the monarchy!
by Tomous » Fri Apr 28, 2023 12:45 pm

Mommy wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Mommy wrote:The Royal family brings in a lot of revenue through tourism apparently, so I see them as a necessary evil.


They really don't.


Don't they? I understood it to be in the billions.



That's what they cost us

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PostRe: Abolish the monarchy!
by Preezy » Fri Apr 28, 2023 12:46 pm

Gonna need to see the evidence that he's a billionaire.

I don't support the monarchy, I wish he would dissolve it but I live in the real world so it's just not going to happen. Why would they give up their position? I probably wouldn't either if I'd been born into that family business. The Royal Family also has zero material impact on my life so whatever.

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PostRe: Abolish the monarchy!
by Herdanos » Fri Apr 28, 2023 12:47 pm

Mommy wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Mommy wrote:The Royal family brings in a lot of revenue through tourism apparently, so I see them as a necessary evil.


They really don't.


Don't they? I understood it to be in the billions.

The argument doesn't withstand reasonable scrutiny. Versailles makes significantly more income as a tourist attraction than it would if it were still privately occupied, as one example.

Several (republican) organisations have conducted studies that have concluded that we'd make as much or more money through tourist revenue, and that any revenue directly gained through having a monarchy, is easily offset by the costs we pay as a result of them continuing to, well, own and rule us all. (Not to mention the moral costs of accepting a caste system.)

Many other, mainstream organisations don't recognise these finding, considering them politically motivated. These same organisations love a bit of deference though.

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PostRe: Abolish the monarchy!
by rinks » Fri Apr 28, 2023 12:47 pm

I don't exactly support them, but I don't wish for them to be abolished either. Reduce the amount of public funding they get (and the number of them who get it), and keep them as ceremonial figureheads.

Wishing for abolition is pointless. No government in our lifetimes will even consider it, let alone put it to a referendum.

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PostRe: Abolish the monarchy!
by Herdanos » Fri Apr 28, 2023 12:48 pm

Preezy wrote:Gonna need to see the evidence that he's a billionaire.


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/ng- ... almost-2bn

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PostRe: Abolish the monarchy!
by Preezy » Fri Apr 28, 2023 12:52 pm

Herdanos wrote:
Preezy wrote:Gonna need to see the evidence that he's a billionaire.


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/ng- ... almost-2bn

I asked and you provided, thank you Dan, you have served your King well.

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PostRe: Abolish the monarchy!
by Moggy » Fri Apr 28, 2023 12:57 pm

Mommy wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Mommy wrote:The Royal family brings in a lot of revenue through tourism apparently, so I see them as a necessary evil.


They really don't.


Don't they? I understood it to be in the billions.


Royal related stuff brings in tourists. But the vast majority of that stuff will bring in the tourists even if the Royal's are kicked out.

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PostRe: Abolish the monarchy!
by jawa_ » Fri Apr 28, 2023 1:03 pm

I'm sure I recall that we've had this discussion a few times in the past in GR... with the outcome that (a) everyone will present facts in a way that that supports their particular view and (b) nobody is going to change their mind.

And that's all okay, of course!

So...

The Independent wrote:While the average annual cost for UK taxpayers in royal upkeep comes to around £500m a year, Brand Finance estimates the monarchy’s brand contributes £2.5bn to the British economy in the same timeframe.

Source: The Independent, Sep 2022

From looking a bit deeper online, there are investigations and opinions that will support our own particular viewpoints in almost any way we choose. I'm not sure that there is a definitive analysis; barring, of course, that each of us thinks our chosen articles are just that :-).

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PostRe: Abolish the monarchy!
by Victor Mildew » Fri Apr 28, 2023 1:07 pm

The Royal family can piss right off.

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PostRe: Abolish the monarchy!
by Knoyleo » Fri Apr 28, 2023 1:08 pm

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Bin em into the sea.

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by Oblomov Boblomov » Fri Apr 28, 2023 1:16 pm

Whether they bring in more money than they cost us or not (which I would dispute, Jawa, on the basis that the related money would still be coming in even if they didn't continue to 'be' royal) shouldn't be anywhere near the main point.

The main point should be that it is atrocious, archaic, fantastical, poisonous bullshit that anyone should be 'born better' than anyone else, and in this case therefore hold enormous wealth, power and privilege simply by virtue of having descended from whoever the biggest thieving, murdering bully was back in the day.

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by rinks » Fri Apr 28, 2023 1:18 pm

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:The main point should be that it is atrocious, archaic, fantastical, poisonous bullshit that anyone should be 'born better' than anyone else, and in this case therefore hold enormous wealth, power and privilege simply by virtue of having descended from whoever the biggest thieving, murdering bully was back in the day.

That's not exactly limited to the royal family.

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PostRe: Abolish the monarchy!
by Tomous » Fri Apr 28, 2023 1:21 pm

Reminder that one of them was allowed to get away with sexually abusing trafficked teenagers simply because he is deemed to belong to a more important family than you and I.

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PostRe: Abolish the monarchy!
by Knoyleo » Fri Apr 28, 2023 1:22 pm

Tomous, he was at Pizza Express. He remembers because he can't sweat.

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