Adding Politics and NSFW tags, and the option to hide those threads

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PostAdding Politics and NSFW tags, and the option to hide those threads
by Karl_ » Wed May 29, 2019 11:34 pm

It is a fact that multiple users have left - and several more have taken breaks - because of the intensity of politics discussions on this forum. Politics is increasingly polarised in the real world, and some of our users (including myself) are very engaged and outspoken. Others want to use this forum - which is, after all, supposed to be about our hobbies, primarily videogames - as an escape from real-world nastiness. There is an inevitable tension to that, and I don't personally feel either side is wrong.

I think we should add Politics and NSFW labels to be used to tag threads. Furthermore, we should add two per-user profile options: Display Politics threads? Y/N and Display NSFW threads? Y/N.

All users: Would this be helpful?

Technically-minded users: Is anyone up for helping me implement this? It mostly requires grappling with the absolutely terrible PhpBB documentation, I think, assuming we stay with PhpBB (we don't necessarily have to).

This is a technical solution to a social problem. Ultimately, we also need to discuss and then clarify our stance on civility. This is mostly an internal moderation issue, but I feel this thread will be used to discuss it no matter what I say here, so, uh, go ahead.

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PostRe: Adding Politics and NSFW tags, and the option to hide those threads
by Pedz » Thu May 30, 2019 1:18 am

I think that's be a great idea. The only issue is people bringing politics into threads where people are just chatting about gameplay. I really wouldn't know how to go about sorting that other than "*game name* polictal chat" thread.

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PostRe: Adding Politics and NSFW tags, and the option to hide those threads
by OrangeRKN » Thu May 30, 2019 10:05 am

I think it's an idea worth trialing

As Pedz says what this doesn't address is political discussion in non-dedicated threads, so the possibility for tension remains there.

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PostRe: Adding Politics and NSFW tags, and the option to hide those threads
by Drumstick » Thu May 30, 2019 6:10 pm

I'm pro-choice so I think these are good ideas.

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PostRe: Adding Politics and NSFW tags, and the option to hide those threads
by False » Fri May 31, 2019 11:14 am

y

but dont tell us off for posting nsfw stuff in nsfw threads

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PostRe: Adding Politics and NSFW tags, and the option to hide those threads
by Karl_ » Fri May 31, 2019 12:10 pm

False wrote:but dont tell us off for posting nsfw stuff in nsfw threads

Ha!

As you know, my personal preference would be for no NSFW content on GRcade at all. I was overruled on this when I was more involved in being a mod/admin, so part of the motivation of adding this for me would be so I can just turn it off and pretend it's not here.

It'll be someone else's problem to define what can and can't be posted in those threads, thankfully.

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PostRe: Adding Politics and NSFW tags, and the option to hide those threads
by Johnny Ryall » Fri May 31, 2019 2:08 pm

Karl_ wrote:
False wrote:but dont tell us off for posting nsfw stuff in nsfw threads

Ha!

As you know, my personal preference would be for no NSFW content on GRcade at all. I was overruled on this when I was more involved in being a mod/admin, so part of the motivation of adding this for me would be so I can just turn it off and pretend it's not here.

It'll be someone else's problem to define what can and can't be posted in those threads, thankfully.


I think it's a fair preference for you to have when a lot of corporate firewalls won't care about nsfw tags and will just mark a website for 18+ nudity reputation at the first match of it.

Not that I browse here or any forums on work LANs, I don't want them to be able to peep on me haha. But filter reputation is a valid consideration if we start getting flagged as a nudey site by the big boy firewalls.

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PostRe: Adding Politics and NSFW tags, and the option to hide those threads
by jawafour » Fri May 31, 2019 3:30 pm

I like the idea of tags / hide options for politics and NSFW threads.

Karl_ wrote:...It'll be someone else's problem to define what can and can't be posted in those threads, thankfully.

I guess that the actual forum rules won't change, though i.e. we wouldn't allow porn even if it was tagged as NSFW? I believe that "upper body" posts are currently allowed and do appear in some threads marked NSFW. I wouldn't support the idea of "stronger" porn being allowed because of the new approach.

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PostRe: Adding Politics and NSFW tags, and the option to hide those threads
by Karl_ » Fri May 31, 2019 3:51 pm

jawafour wrote:
Karl_ wrote:...It'll be someone else's problem to define what can and can't be posted in those threads, thankfully.

I guess that the actual forum rules won't change, though i.e. we wouldn't allow porn even if it was tagged as NSFW? I believe that "upper body" posts are currently allowed and do appear in some threads marked NSFW. I wouldn't support the idea of "stronger" porn being allowed because of the new approach.

I expect that introducing NSFW tags would require the mods/admins to clarify what kinds of NSFW posts are acceptable. My best guess and sincere hope is that hardcore pornography would be banned still, at a minimum.

The risk with an off-by-default NSFW tag is that it turns into a kind of hidden forum for posting grot. I would feel pretty uncomfortable with growing a softcore porn subcommunity here; in fact I feel uncomfortable with the one or two threads we have on the matter now.

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PostRe: Adding Politics and NSFW tags, and the option to hide those threads
by OrangeRKN » Fri May 31, 2019 3:53 pm

Would the "draw a face on kirby" thread be tagged as NSFW?

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PostRe: Adding Politics and NSFW tags, and the option to hide those threads
by Karl_ » Fri May 31, 2019 4:02 pm

OrangeRKN wrote:Would the "draw a face on kirby" thread be tagged as NSFW?

It was a SFW thread that was immediately flooded with very borderline submissions.

A point to remember when trying to set effective policy on this is that GRcade only moderates in the most extreme circumstances. So Rinks should have linked his submission (not embedded) and clearly marked it NSFW. He didn't, and if we stick to our rules he should be looking at a warning for that -- but OTOH it was very funny and everyone likes Rinks, so is anyone gonna do it?

Another thing is that at the moment people use spoiler tags to "hide" NSFW submissions to SFW threads, which is stupid, as the content still loads and could still be flagged / logged. I've tried to explain this before but no-one cares.

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PostRe: Adding Politics and NSFW tags, and the option to hide those threads
by Ironhide » Fri May 31, 2019 4:23 pm

I think NSFW tags are a good idea but I don't think they should ever be a free pass to post overly graphic or sexually themed content, yes the vast majority of us on here are adults but GRcade should be primarily a gaming themed community not a cesspit of depravity (aside from Densters posts that is).

Basically just use common sense when posting more 'matue themed' content.

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