Advice On Concentrating/Attention Span Improvement

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PostAdvice On Concentrating/Attention Span Improvement
by gaminglegend » Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:23 am

This problem has exploded since COVID hit, I just can't seem to concentrate anymore, I start a game, I'm bored instantly, I watch a video, I'll switch off get sick of it, or then I'm drawn to reading on my phone. And it'll be literally reading about something or the news, or perhaps scrolling through Instagram.

I have found removing my phone helps quite a lot from a distraction, but even then the problem still exists to an extent. I seem to be okay reading, I read for 3 hours last night and didn't even realize the time, it's more little mundane tasks, or learning something I'm finding difficulty with.

Even Netflix for example, I'll put something on and just do something else and I feel it's becoming a problem, I'm doing an online marketing course at the moment, there's a lot of videos and I just zone out of it.

I've read meditation helps and was looking into giving that a whirl. Anyone advice would be appreciated it just feels like a habit almost and I want to remove it. :shifty:

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by Errkal » Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:45 am

When you do your course are you doing in in your living room or whatever?

Might be worth setting up a "office" space so its a dedicated "thats there I go to work/learn". I found that if I work in thr living room I don't do as well as thats my relaxed space.

Also as stupid as it sounds but dress for work, it can put you in a more professional and focused mindset so might be worth putting on the work stuff or what you would wear if the course was on a class room.

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PostRe: Advice On Concentrating/Attention Span Improvement
by Balladeer » Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:35 am

Dyspraxic here, marking this thread forever. I take fish oil pills because they’re meant to help, but - well, I’m on here now, aren’t I? :( I do meditate but that’s mostly for stress and I can’t see any signs of it helping my concentration as yet.

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by Drumstick » Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:41 am

Balladeer wrote:Dyspraxic here, marking this thread forever. I take fish oil pills because they’re meant to help, but - well, I’m on here now, aren’t I? :( I do meditate but that’s mostly for stress and I can’t see any signs of it helping my concentration as yet.

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by LewisD » Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:54 am

This thread speaks to me.. I've always had a problem with my attention span and I just can't snap out of it.
I remember it being a problem ever since I was around... maybe 11 or 12 years old.

I can be talking to someone, and then as soon as it's their turn to reply, my mind has switched off and I'm instantly thinking of something else.
My missus hates it, she knows when I've clocked off mid-conversation now, and thankfully doesn't get angry anymore because I think she's started to believe me when I say that I can't really help it.

Or, another example is that I can be at work (like right now lol) and someone will phone and say "I need this, urgently, it's got to be here for tomorrow morning, can you phone back really soon to let me know if it's possible" and I'll reply "Yep, no problem, I'm on it now..." and as soon as that phone goes back on the receiver I'm on Reddit, or here, or making content and memes for my facebook page.
And that very urgent job, that I know is urgent, gets pushed to the back of the pile, to be done at the very last minute. Often to go wrong because I left it too long to find an alternative solution.

It affects hobbies as well, learning the guitar was REALLY difficult as a kid because instead of learning the song, or reading the music, my mind would strawberry float off somewhere else, so learning songs etc took forever.
Never learned anything decent like the different scales, methods and sheet music etc, wrote them off as being "Too difficult", but really it was that I couldn't concentrate.
Same thing with wanting to learn 3D modelling, tried following tutorials etc for Milkshape back in the day and because I couldn't get my brain to concentrate on learning it for more than 45-60 minutes at a time, I just wrote it off completely. And I really wanted to do 3D modelling when I was a teenager. It's what I wanted to do with my older life/career. But I couldn't get my brain into gear.

I hate it. Really genuinely do.

I've tried a few things to help - i.e getting more sleep, no electrical devices or tv after 9pm etc But none of it ever worked.
I've considered asking my doctor if there's any, like, concentration tablet they can give me - like you see all the american kids taking before exams and gooseberry fool - but don't want to resort to the chemical option for fear of dependency, side effects etc. And I worry that it'll make me sound quite loopy in all honesty.

Sorry, this has turned into a GreenGecko style ramble (no offence GG :wub: ) - I've never really got this off my chest before. Apart from my missus, I don't think I've brought it up with anyone in the past.
I think maybe I've tried to explain it, but people will make snidey remarks, saying it's just me being lazy or work shy, but it really isn't, so that makes me want to not talk about it again really :(

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by rinks » Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:09 am

LewisD wrote:This thread speaks to me.. I've always had a problem with my attention span and I just can't snap out of it.
I remember it being a problem ever since I was around... maybe 11 or 12 years old.

I can be talking to someone, and then as soon as it's their turn to reply, my mind has switched off and I'm instantly thinking of something else.
My missus hates it, she knows when I've clocked off mid-conversation now, and thankfully doesn't get angry anymore because I think she's started to believe me when I say that I can't really help it.

Or, another example is that I can be at work (like right now lol) and someone will phone and say "I need this, urgently, it's got to be here for tomorrow morning, can you phone back really soon to let me know if it's possible" and I'll reply "Yep, no problem, I'm on it now..." and as soon as that phone goes back on the receiver I'm on Reddit, or here, or making content and memes for my facebook page.
And that very urgent job, that I know is urgent, gets pushed to the back of the pile, to be done at the very last minute. Often to go wrong because I left it too long to find an alternative solution.

It affects hobbies as well, learning the guitar was REALLY difficult as a kid because instead of learning the song, or reading the music, my mind would strawberry float off somewhere else, so learning songs etc took forever.
Never learned anything decent like the different scales, methods and sheet music etc, wrote them off as being "Too difficult", but really it was that I couldn't concentrate.
Same thing with wanting to learn 3D modelling, tried following tutorials etc for Milkshape back in the day and because I couldn't get my brain to concentrate on learning it for more than 45-60 minutes at a time, I just wrote it off completely. And I really wanted to do 3D modelling when I was a teenager. It's what I wanted to do with my older life/career. But I couldn't get my brain into gear.

I hate it. Really genuinely do.

I've tried a few things to help - i.e getting more sleep, no electrical devices or tv after 9pm etc But none of it ever worked.
I've considered asking my doctor if there's any, like, concentration tablet they can give me - like you see all the american kids taking before exams and gooseberry fool - but don't want to resort to the chemical option for fear of dependency, side effects etc. And I worry that it'll make me sound quite loopy in all honesty.

Sorry, this has turned into a GreenGecko style ramble (no offence GG :wub: ) - I've never really got this off my chest before. Apart from my missus, I don't think I've brought it up with anyone in the past.
I think maybe I've tried to explain it, but people will make snidey remarks, saying it's just me being lazy or work shy, but it really isn't, so that makes me want to not talk about it again really :(

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PostRe: Advice On Concentrating/Attention Span Improvement
by JT986M2 » Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:14 am

I have also experienced this recently to an extent.

My issues aren't really with media though - I can still get into a game/TV show/film and concentrate on that. My main issue is with concentrating on things online. Whereas I would once read/watch things entirely, I'm now finding myself much more likely to skim read something to get the gist. Then, even if I am interested in the subject, I'll bail half-way through for no apparent reason. The same goes for videos - I'll be quite happily watching and enjoying something, and then for some inexplicable reason find myself looking at something else while it plays in the background.

To an extent it's also creeping into work. I'm still getting my work done and completed on time, but I'm finding myself distracted far more easily when working on something.

I think in my case it might be down to reddit and my RSS feed and the way they both present and refresh content. They are both a constant steam of easy-to-digest images and articles that you can view and move on endlessly. As a result, I think they have in some way adjusted my thinking so that if I'm not getting an immediate (like, dopamine?) hit, I move on. So I think part of my issue comes from this never ending stream of information you feel pressured to get through. So rather than reading something fully and moving on, you feel pressured to see it all.

However, the more I think about it the more I start to get concerned that I've always had an issue concentrating and just never noticed it :?

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by Corazon de Leon » Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:14 am

LewisD wrote:This thread speaks to me.. I've always had a problem with my attention span and I just can't snap out of it.
I remember it being a problem ever since I was around... maybe 11 or 12 years old.

I can be talking to someone, and then as soon as it's their turn to reply, my mind has switched off and I'm instantly thinking of something else.
My missus hates it, she knows when I've clocked off mid-conversation now, and thankfully doesn't get angry anymore because I think she's started to believe me when I say that I can't really help it.

Or, another example is that I can be at work (like right now lol) and someone will phone and say "I need this, urgently, it's got to be here for tomorrow morning, can you phone back really soon to let me know if it's possible" and I'll reply "Yep, no problem, I'm on it now..." and as soon as that phone goes back on the receiver I'm on Reddit, or here, or making content and memes for my facebook page.
And that very urgent job, that I know is urgent, gets pushed to the back of the pile, to be done at the very last minute. Often to go wrong because I left it too long to find an alternative solution.

It affects hobbies as well, learning the guitar was REALLY difficult as a kid because instead of learning the song, or reading the music, my mind would strawberry float off somewhere else, so learning songs etc took forever.
Never learned anything decent like the different scales, methods and sheet music etc, wrote them off as being "Too difficult", but really it was that I couldn't concentrate.
Same thing with wanting to learn 3D modelling, tried following tutorials etc for Milkshape back in the day and because I couldn't get my brain to concentrate on learning it for more than 45-60 minutes at a time, I just wrote it off completely. And I really wanted to do 3D modelling when I was a teenager. It's what I wanted to do with my older life/career. But I couldn't get my brain into gear.

I hate it. Really genuinely do.

I've tried a few things to help - i.e getting more sleep, no electrical devices or tv after 9pm etc But none of it ever worked.
I've considered asking my doctor if there's any, like, concentration tablet they can give me - like you see all the american kids taking before exams and gooseberry fool - but don't want to resort to the chemical option for fear of dependency, side effects etc. And I worry that it'll make me sound quite loopy in all honesty.

Sorry, this has turned into a GreenGecko style ramble (no offence GG :wub: ) - I've never really got this off my chest before. Apart from my missus, I don't think I've brought it up with anyone in the past.
I think maybe I've tried to explain it, but people will make snidey remarks, saying it's just me being lazy or work shy, but it really isn't, so that makes me want to not talk about it again really :(


Speak to your doctor, tell them you think that you might have undiagnosed attention deficit disorder, and don't let them tell you that it's impossible to have avoided diagnosis into adulthood. I had all the same symptoms as you and got a referral to a psychologist, who eventually diagnosed me with ADD. I got away with it in school because I was just smart enough to cover the lack of studying up with natural sense, and you probably were too because your experience is exactly my experience.

EDIT: And please don't hesitate to drop me a PM if you want to chat about this.

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by JT986M2 » Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:00 am

LewisD wrote:It affects hobbies as well, learning the guitar was REALLY difficult as a kid because instead of learning the song, or reading the music, my mind would strawberry float off somewhere else, so learning songs etc took forever.
Never learned anything decent like the different scales, methods and sheet music etc, wrote them off as being "Too difficult", but really it was that I couldn't concentrate.
Same thing with wanting to learn 3D modelling, tried following tutorials etc for Milkshape back in the day and because I couldn't get my brain to concentrate on learning it for more than 45-60 minutes at a time, I just wrote it off completely. And I really wanted to do 3D modelling when I was a teenager. It's what I wanted to do with my older life/career. But I couldn't get my brain into gear.


Damn. This hits close to home.

Exactly the same on the guitar front. I'm a decent guitarist in terms of technical skills, but my theory knowledge is minimal because I can't be bothered with it (i.e. can't stick with it). I just want to do the 'fun' things when I play i.e. learning songs or dicking about with gear. I also go through periods of playing a lot, then weeks/months of no playing. I now suspect it's because I either get bored, or subconsciously I know I'm not improving at the pace I want to but I can't be bothered putting in the work.

Art to me is also exactly like your 3D modelling. It's what I wanted to do in secondary school, but then a bad experience with a teacher put me off (I liked to draw cartoons and comic book art, but they weren't 'art' apparently :roll: ). Much like the guitar, I draw certain things that are familiar and I can draw from a reference pretty well. However, I want to get better but can't apply myself. I buy tools and books to motivate myself, but the motivation is not naturally there (probably due to attention) even though I want to improve.

Hmm ... maybe this isn't quite the recent development I was thinking it might be.

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by Balladeer » Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:08 am

Same re. the guitar, but it’s violin and piano for me. I did get to a decent standard eventually, but only because I had a very pushy mum. As for my vague forays into art... hahahahaha.

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by LewisD » Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:13 am

Corazon de Leon wrote: *Advice*


Cheers Ben. I think it's about time I did speak to the doctor about it then I think.
I guess I'm worried about going to the doctors and they diagnose and "fix" it, to a degree and I'd have wasted my teens and my twenties with unused potential. But if I don't start now then I'll never know (a bit like this whole thing really!)

But it's good to know my experience rings true with someone else too.
My school reports have always said things along the lines of being bright, but lacking the enthusiasm to engage, or commitment to a subject even way back to middle school (Year 4 onwards? Is that middle school? I can't remember! :slol: )

rinks wrote:tl;dr


:lol: :toot:


JT986M2 wrote:Hmm ... maybe this isn't quite the recent development I was thinking it might be.


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by Knoyleo » Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:17 am

gaminglegend wrote:This problem has exploded since COVID hit, I just can't seem to concentrate anymore, I start a game, I'm bored instantly, I watch a video, I'll switch off get sick of it, or then I'm drawn to reading on my phone. And it'll be literally reading about something or the news, or perhaps scrolling through Instagram.

I have found removing my phone helps quite a lot from a distraction, but even then the problem still exists to an extent. I seem to be okay reading, I read for 3 hours last night and didn't even realize the time, it's more little mundane tasks, or learning something I'm finding difficulty with.

Even Netflix for example, I'll put something on and just do something else and I feel it's becoming a problem, I'm doing an online marketing course at the moment, there's a lot of videos and I just zone out of it.

I've read meditation helps and was looking into giving that a whirl. Anyone advice would be appreciated it just feels like a habit almost and I want to remove it. :shifty:

I've gone through a lot of feeling like this, and it's like there's a constant need for some kind of immediate satisfaction or at least immediate positive feedback, that prevents me from doing things where the payoff lays further out, or that are just important, but not really that fun.

I found I spent a lot of my free time, just trying to fill it with things that would entertain me straight away, like browsing social media, youtube videos, or browsing for new things to buy on Steam, even.

Eventually for a while, I started specifically identifying things that I was doing specifically to alleviate boredom, rather than because I wanted to do them, and essentially banned myself from it. No more browsing Twitter in bed, no firing up Steam and hoping a game takes my fancy, no more refreshing the recommended page on Youtube. I forced myself to be active in chosing my leisure activities, rather than passively falling into habits of stuff I know will give me a quick fix.

It was really difficult at first, but also quite alarming when you realise how much you subconsciously just reach for your phone and start scrolling without even thinking about it. I even deliberately moved around the app icons on my phone, and I would repeatedly find myself launching Google Translate by instinct in the middle of watching TV, because that was now where the Twitter icon used to be, and it was all muscle memory driving me there.

For a while as well, it's just very boring. You're not sure what else you want to do to fill your time, but at least when you're not distracting yourself, you start thinking about what you actually want to do, but eventually, you do start finding stuff to do, that you actively want to do. I think it helped me diversify my interests a bit, too. Before, I was kind of obsessed with finding this one mythical thing that would be the perfect hobby I'd want to spend all my free time on, and that would be it, me feeling fulfilled for the rest of eternity, which is a ridiculous expectation to have when trying out something new for the first time. Instead, by being more critical of what I was doing in my free time, I actually started doing a few things, more regularly, something I previously thought I wouldn't have time for, when I was spending hours just wasting time. I started rock climbing again, I read more, I got around to watching great films I always wanted to see but never bother with before, I went back to Duolingo and picked up my language learning, and I even started painting miniatures once lockdown kicked in and I had even more free time in the house, which has lead to me now also attempting to try watercolour paints as well.

Maybe lockdown isn't the best time to do a total "time killer" detox. I know I've spent a lot more time idling away my spare hours on Twitter and youtube since it began, and it's hard to pick up those things you want to do that are either away from home, or require more people, but if you regularly find yourself doing something out of habit, that isn't bringing you joy any more, I'd definitely recommend trying to cut back on it, and seeing what you do feel motivated to do.

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PostRe: Advice On Concentrating/Attention Span Improvement
by Eighthours » Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:46 am

My concentration has gone to absolute gooseberry fool during coronavirus, which has made work extremely difficult. Not helped by all my distractions at home! I'm now splitting my time between home and the office, in an attempt to help. He says, posting on GRcade in the office from his work laptop.

I wish I could put into work the same mental energy that I put into watching all of Better Call Saul and rewatching all of Breaking Bad in only 3 weeks. Currently on season 5 of The Americans. I'm achieving when it comes to TV at least!

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by Prototype » Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:48 am

I feel the same about a lot of things. Bored within minutes of starting new games etc.

I think it's societal and technological changes as well. For example, a 3 minute youtube video is probably seen as long by most teenagers these days.

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by Corazon de Leon » Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:08 pm

LewisD wrote:
Corazon de Leon wrote: *Advice*


Cheers Ben. I think it's about time I did speak to the doctor about it then I think.
I guess I'm worried about going to the doctors and they diagnose and "fix" it, to a degree and I'd have wasted my teens and my twenties with unused potential. But if I don't start now then I'll never know (a bit like this whole thing really!)

But it's good to know my experience rings true with someone else too.
My school reports have always said things along the lines of being bright, but lacking the enthusiasm to engage, or commitment to a subject even way back to middle school (Year 4 onwards? Is that middle school? I can't remember! :slol: )

rinks wrote:tl;dr


:lol: :toot:


JT986M2 wrote:Hmm ... maybe this isn't quite the recent development I was thinking it might be.


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Keep me in the loop. For what it's worth, it doesn't get easier after a diagnosis(I didn't want medication either), but it is good to at least know what's wrong.

For an example of the kind of thing I really have problems with - I'm owed two months of payment from my second job because I have difficulty filling out the timesheet forms - my concentration just drops out - and feel stupid asking for help with things that are so simple, for example.

But the two months were March and April, and now I can't remember which days I was teaching, striking, how much marking I did etc. So I'm potentially doing myself out of actual earned money because I won't be able to claim if I don't absolutely know I've done the work. This isn't even the first time - I used to invigilate exams for unis in Glasgow but was never paid for a year's worth of invigilation because I struggled with the timesheets.

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by Kezzer » Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:16 pm

rinks wrote:
LewisD wrote:This thread speaks to me.. I've always had a problem with my attention span and I just can't snap out of it.
I remember it being a problem ever since I was around... maybe 11 or 12 years old.

I can be talking to someone, and then as soon as it's their turn to reply, my mind has switched off and I'm instantly thinking of something else.
My missus hates it, she knows when I've clocked off mid-conversation now, and thankfully doesn't get angry anymore because I think she's started to believe me when I say that I can't really help it.

Or, another example is that I can be at work (like right now lol) and someone will phone and say "I need this, urgently, it's got to be here for tomorrow morning, can you phone back really soon to let me know if it's possible" and I'll reply "Yep, no problem, I'm on it now..." and as soon as that phone goes back on the receiver I'm on Reddit, or here, or making content and memes for my facebook page.
And that very urgent job, that I know is urgent, gets pushed to the back of the pile, to be done at the very last minute. Often to go wrong because I left it too long to find an alternative solution.

It affects hobbies as well, learning the guitar was REALLY difficult as a kid because instead of learning the song, or reading the music, my mind would strawberry float off somewhere else, so learning songs etc took forever.
Never learned anything decent like the different scales, methods and sheet music etc, wrote them off as being "Too difficult", but really it was that I couldn't concentrate.
Same thing with wanting to learn 3D modelling, tried following tutorials etc for Milkshape back in the day and because I couldn't get my brain to concentrate on learning it for more than 45-60 minutes at a time, I just wrote it off completely. And I really wanted to do 3D modelling when I was a teenager. It's what I wanted to do with my older life/career. But I couldn't get my brain into gear.

I hate it. Really genuinely do.

I've tried a few things to help - i.e getting more sleep, no electrical devices or tv after 9pm etc But none of it ever worked.
I've considered asking my doctor if there's any, like, concentration tablet they can give me - like you see all the american kids taking before exams and gooseberry fool - but don't want to resort to the chemical option for fear of dependency, side effects etc. And I worry that it'll make me sound quite loopy in all honesty.

Sorry, this has turned into a GreenGecko style ramble (no offence GG :wub: ) - I've never really got this off my chest before. Apart from my missus, I don't think I've brought it up with anyone in the past.
I think maybe I've tried to explain it, but people will make snidey remarks, saying it's just me being lazy or work shy, but it really isn't, so that makes me want to not talk about it again really :(

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Lmao :lol:

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by aayl1 » Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:33 pm

This is something I hve struggled with, and worked on with my therapist, too.

I'm not at ADHD levels but I definitely procrastinate important big jobs.

A couple of things have helped me.

First up: meditation, and mindfulness practice. Here's a good intro thread to it from Reddit, from the quitting weed subreddit. A habit I developed to combat boredom and anxiety. If anyone's interested in delving a bit more deeply into this then hmu.

Secondly: Understanding that discipline is basically a muscle that can be trained. The more you exercise discipline, the easier it is. You can also of course tire your discipline out if you try and do too much in a day, just like working out.

Koyleo's "time fritter ban" is also a good tactic. As is blocking out your diary for working on certain things (but i only do this with work).

This all said, if there's an underlying medical then these tactics are only going to help so much.

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by aayl1 » Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:54 pm

LewisD wrote:
Corazon de Leon wrote: *Advice*


Cheers Ben. I think it's about time I did speak to the doctor about it then I think.
I guess I'm worried about going to the doctors and they diagnose and "fix" it, to a degree and I'd have wasted my teens and my twenties with unused potential.



Just wanted to weigh in and give a +1 to the "go to the doctor's recommendation".

I completely understand your worry and I know you know it's silly, but just to further point out the logical fallacy it's like saying "I don't want to go to the doctor's to get my blindness fixed, because then I'll have wasted my formative years being blind!"

Past is the past no matter what happens. You'll only be creating more "years of unused potential*" if you don't.

Plus concentration drugs are like that level between coffee and cocaine we all need now and then and you can always sell em if you don't want em.**

*there's a philosophical debate to be had here about what actually is potential, and you probably wouldn't have ended up on the path to your wife and kids if you went back and changed anything. Butterfly effect and all that (Remember you're only on this forum coz you bumped into a rando doing motorbike wheelies on the Test Drive Unlimited demo!)

** don't do this.

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by Corazon de Leon » Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:58 pm

aayl1 wrote:
LewisD wrote:
Corazon de Leon wrote: *Advice*


Cheers Ben. I think it's about time I did speak to the doctor about it then I think.
I guess I'm worried about going to the doctors and they diagnose and "fix" it, to a degree and I'd have wasted my teens and my twenties with unused potential.



Just wanted to weigh in and give a +1 to the "go to the doctor's recommendation".

I completely understand your worry and I know you know it's silly, but just to further point out the logical fallacy it's like saying "I don't want to go to the doctor's to get my blindness fixed, because then I'll have wasted my formative years being blind!"

Past is the past no matter what happens. You'll only be creating more "years of unused potential*" if you don't.

Plus concentration drugs are like that level between coffee and cocaine we all need now and then and you can always sell em if you don't want em.**

*there's a philosophical debate to be had here about what actually is potential, and you probably wouldn't have ended up on the path to your wife and kids if you went back and changed anything. Butterfly effect and all that (Remember you're only on this forum coz you bumped into a rando doing motorbike wheelies on the Test Drive Unlimited demo!)

** don't do this.


I might be wrong about this but I'm pretty sure Lew met his missus through Poopgang MSN chats, so there's no probably about it, his procrastination got him there. :slol:

Same with me to be fair, if it weren't for my complete inability to deal with job applications I'd probably not have bothered going back to uni for a masters and then again for a PhD. Dr Cora would be plain old Cora. :lol:

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PostRe: Advice On Concentrating/Attention Span Improvement
by Buffalo » Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:00 pm

Amphetamine is really good for concentration.


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