Amazon announce Lord of the Rings TV series, set before Fellowship

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PostRe: Amazon announce Lord of the Rings TV series, set before Fellowship
by OrangeRKN » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:12 pm

Alright Moggy, what about this one. If someone got a sufficiently long enough stick, would it be possible to carry the ring to Mordor without it exerting any influence over them?

What about tied to a long rope hanging beneath an eagle?

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PostRe: Amazon announce Lord of the Rings TV series, set before Fellowship
by Preezy » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:15 pm

Moggy wrote: :lol:

You are on a computer game message board reading a thread about Tolkien.

I agree I am a nerd. But you are as well.

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One of us.

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Uh uh not me, man. I'm no nerd, I ain't no square. I'm a cool dude, my mum told me so.

Definitely not a geek, no sir-ee-bob :shifty:

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PostRe: Amazon announce Lord of the Rings TV series, set before Fellowship
by IAmTheSaladMan » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:18 pm

My question is, in the movies when anybody says "Mordor" why do they suddenly start talking like they're in that Fast Show sketch that takes the piss out of Taggart?

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PostRe: Amazon announce Lord of the Rings TV series, set before Fellowship
by Moggy » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:19 pm

OrangeRakoon wrote:Alright Moggy, what about this one. If someone got a sufficiently long enough stick, would it be possible to carry the ring to Mordor without it exerting any influence over them?

What about tied to a long rope hanging beneath an eagle?


Frodo (and Sam) mostly had the ring on a chain and it had an influence over them. Gandalf was tempted to take it even though he never physically touched it.

Plus your idea ignores the other part of why using an eagle was a bad plan. Sauron would have seen them coming and sent Nazgul after them long before they got near Mount Doom.

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PostRe: Amazon announce Lord of the Rings TV series, set before Fellowship
by Moggy » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:19 pm

IAmTheSaladMan wrote:My question is in the movies when anybody says "Mordor" why do they suddenly start talking like they're in that Fast Show sketch that takes the piss out of Taggart?


Tolkien was from a rough part of Glasgow. Did you miss the scene where Frodo glassed that banana split in the pub?

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PostRe: Amazon announce Lord of the Rings TV series, set before Fellowship
by Preezy » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:22 pm

Why not just stick the ring in some junk mail marked for Sauron? He normally chucked the local pizza/kebab shop leaflets into Mount Doom so you could have slipped it into a Watchtower pamphlet from the Jehova's Witnesses and it'd have been destroyed immediately.

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by Karl_ » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:22 pm

OrangeRakoon wrote:Alright Moggy, what about this one. If someone got a sufficiently long enough stick, would it be possible to carry the ring to Mordor without it exerting any influence over them?

No, it would be enough that you are thinking about & interacting with & able to access the ring. The ring also has a will of its own and would actively attempt to subvert your nonsense.

OrangeRakoon wrote:What about tied to a long rope hanging beneath an eagle?

I think I popped a blood vessel reading this.

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PostRe: Amazon announce Lord of the Rings TV series, set before Fellowship
by Lagamorph » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:25 pm

Why don't they just throw the ring into that bottomless pit that Gandalf and the fire thing end up falling to their deaths in? Who's ever going to find it down there?

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PostRe: Amazon announce Lord of the Rings TV series, set before Fellowship
by Karl_ » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:28 pm

Lagamorph wrote:Why don't they just throw the ring into that bottomless pit that Gandalf and the fire thing end up falling to their deaths in? Who's ever going to find it down there?

The literal Balrog that lives there?

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PostRe: Amazon announce Lord of the Rings TV series, set before Fellowship
by Preezy » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:28 pm

Lagamorph wrote:Why don't they just throw the ring into that bottomless pit that Gandalf and the fire thing end up falling to their deaths in? Who's ever going to find it down there?

It's called a Bog-Ral :roll:

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PostRe: Amazon announce Lord of the Rings TV series, set before Fellowship
by Karl_ » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:29 pm

I strawberry floating hate you all so much.

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PostRe: Amazon announce Lord of the Rings TV series, set before Fellowship
by Lagamorph » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:29 pm

Karl wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:Why don't they just throw the ring into that bottomless pit that Gandalf and the fire thing end up falling to their deaths in? Who's ever going to find it down there?

The literal Balrog that lives there?

Yeah well what's he going to do with it?

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PostRe: Amazon announce Lord of the Rings TV series, set before Fellowship
by Denster » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:31 pm

It isn’t bottomless and neither of them fall to their deaths there.

Fool of a Took!

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PostRe: Amazon announce Lord of the Rings TV series, set before Fellowship
by Moggy » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:33 pm

Lagamorph wrote:Why don't they just throw the ring into that bottomless pit that Gandalf and the fire thing end up falling to their deaths in? Who's ever going to find it down there?


Tom Bombadil.

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PostRe: Amazon announce Lord of the Rings TV series, set before Fellowship
by OrangeRKN » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:34 pm

Moggy wrote:Frodo (and Sam) mostly had the ring on a chain and it had an influence over them. Gandalf was tempted to take it even though he never physically touched it.


I was thinking something that puts it at a much greater physical distance than a chain. Evidently the ring does not have an infinite range on its influence - otherwise it would have been trivial for Sauron to locate and retrieve the ring.

Karl wrote:No, it would be enough that you are thinking about & interacting with & able to access the ring. The ring also has a will of its own and would actively attempt to subvert your nonsense.


It would be possible to conceal the ring from the carrier so that they never know what it is they are carrying (and to never bring it within sufficient distance of the carrier for it to exert any influence over them). Bilbo hid it within an envelope for example.

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OrangeRakoon wrote:What about tied to a long rope hanging beneath an eagle?

I think I popped a blood vessel reading this.


Okay Karl here is the plan. Frodo hides the ring on his person. Gandalf convinces an eagle to carry Frodo to Mount Doom upon a long rope. Frodo (and the ring) never come close enough to the Eagle for the ring to influence it, and the Eagle does not know that Frodo has the ring so has no reason to think about it (Gandalf is a clever man, he can think of some other reason to convince the eagle to help out).

Sound like a plan?

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PostRe: Amazon announce Lord of the Rings TV series, set before Fellowship
by IAmTheSaladMan » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:39 pm

Why didn't anybody hit Balrog with a hadouken while he was charging up for a dash punch?

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PostRe: Amazon announce Lord of the Rings TV series, set before Fellowship
by OrangeRKN » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:41 pm

IAmTheSaladMan wrote:Why didn't anybody hit Balrog with a hadouken while he was charging up for a dash punch?


Excuse me I'm trying to have a serious discussion here

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PostRe: Amazon announce Lord of the Rings TV series, set before Fellowship
by Karl_ » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:43 pm

OrangeRakoon wrote:Okay Karl here is the plan. Frodo hides the ring on his person. Gandalf convinces an eagle to carry Frodo to Mount Doom upon a long rope. Frodo (and the ring) never come close enough to the Eagle for the ring to influence it, and the Eagle does not know that Frodo has the ring so has no reason to think about it (Gandalf is a clever man, he can think of some other reason to convince the eagle to help out).

Sound like a plan?

What do you do about the fell-beasts that guard the skies of Mordor? What happens if the ring manages to work its way free from Frodo (which it would be trying to do)? The ring gains power as it approaches the Sammath Naur, and it broke Frodo's will there even while Sauron was distracted, so do you not think it might be even more of a problem to have that effect compounded by the force of Sauron's gaze?

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PostRe: Amazon announce Lord of the Rings TV series, set before Fellowship
by Moggy » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:45 pm

Genuinely cannot tell if OR is joking or not. :lol:

Sauron would have seen the eagle coming.

Frodo was unable to drop the ring into Mount Doom so it doesn’t matter how he got there or how long the rope was.

An eagle would have taken it for itself. They are not normal eagles, they are basically the same sort of spirit as Gandalf.

Sauron could sense the ring when it got close to him. As Frodo approached Mount Doom, Sauron could sense it was nearby but thought it was Aragorn that had it and that Aragorn was arrogant enough to attack him before mastering the rings power. Flying/pole vaulting/whatever to Mount Doom would have brought the whole of Mordor down upon whoever was approaching. Sure they could have tried the same trick of sending an army to the gates of Mordor while an eagle flew in, but it was just as quick to send a Hobbit and didn’t carry the risk of a powerful spirit being tempted to keep the ring.

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PostRe: Amazon announce Lord of the Rings TV series, set before Fellowship
by Lagamorph » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:49 pm

Just tie it to a rock and toss it in the ocean or something. They don't have Cthulu right?

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