An anarchist attacked an American concentration camp and was shot dead by guards

Seems like a pointless waste of a life to me.

Minty14 wrote:I'm not talking rampaging through the streets attacking random bystanders, but there are some rights and people groups that must be defended at all costs. "A bit of megaphone action" is exactly what the powers that be have conditioned us to believe is acceptable and effective protest in order to let us believe we have a voice, while said powers aren't forced to actually leave their comfort zone.

Like how Eggboy was accused of assault by some on the left, whose sole interpretation of socially disruptive protest seems to be going on marches pre-planned months in advance and specifically allowed by the police and government. Or how milkshaking somehow became a strawberry floating point of contention.

Moggy wrote:When did Staydead turn into Che Guevara?

The political climate of the last few years has basically made me lose all sense of empathy to the people in power. None of them give a gooseberry fool about anyone but themselves and the last few years has shown that. I'm kinda disenfranchised by everything now and I don't see what else we can even do to get the idiots in power to listen soon enough to make sweeping changes that will stop the extinction of our entire species.

Listen when the government that is supposed to act in your interest rolls out the riot squad to crack skulls I think it’s time to respond in kind

Preezy wrote:Seems like a pointless waste of a life to me.

I kind of agree, I don't think this guys sacrifice has improved anything and he'll soon be forgotten.

Tafdolphin wrote:
Minty14 wrote:I'm not talking rampaging through the streets attacking random bystanders, but there are some rights and people groups that must be defended at all costs. "A bit of megaphone action" is exactly what the powers that be have conditioned us to believe is acceptable and effective protest in order to let us believe we have a voice, while said powers aren't forced to actually leave their comfort zone.

Like how Eggboy was accused of assault by some on the left, whose sole interpretation of socially disruptive protest seems to be going on marches pre-planned months in advance and specifically allowed by the police and government. Or how milkshaking somehow became a strawberry floating point of contention.

When I say violence I mean assault or destruction of property.
I don't see egging or milkshaking as all that bad. Graffiti is fine as it can be washed away and even the odd smashed window is fine but burning places down or random looting is not.

Peter Crisp wrote:
Tafdolphin wrote:
Minty14 wrote:I'm not talking rampaging through the streets attacking random bystanders, but there are some rights and people groups that must be defended at all costs. "A bit of megaphone action" is exactly what the powers that be have conditioned us to believe is acceptable and effective protest in order to let us believe we have a voice, while said powers aren't forced to actually leave their comfort zone.

Like how Eggboy was accused of assault by some on the left, whose sole interpretation of socially disruptive protest seems to be going on marches pre-planned months in advance and specifically allowed by the police and government. Or how milkshaking somehow became a strawberry floating point of contention.

When I say violence I mean assault or destruction of property.
I don't see egging or milkshaking as all that bad. Graffiti is fine as it can be washed away and even the odd smashed window is fine but burning places down or random looting is not.

I don't think looting is a form of violent protest, it's just robbing gooseberry fool. Destruction is entirely justified in some cases I believe. The Gilet Jaune are a...mixed bag but they've ground the French government to a policy standstill and they didn't do it by peacefully asking them to stop dismantling the country's social system.

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Sandy wrote:
VlaSoul wrote:I think ghandi had the right idea and i try to stick by his ideals when i judge this kind of thing

He fought in the Boer War on the side of the British, recruited over a million Indians to fight for Britain in WW1 and said that the British should let Hitler invade and do what he wants and that the Jews should have died willingly.

Some of his pacifist views were a little too much for many people and a bit hypocritical considering his action in early life.

When dealing with monsters just doing nothing and nicely asking them not to massacre millions is a utopia that doesn't exist.

Yeah Ghandi was also a racist; I don't follow everything he says but I like what I perceive to be the core idea

Qikz wrote:
VlaSoul wrote:
Qikz wrote:Sometimes violent protest is the only way to get people to listen. Even MLK looked towards that route in the end.

i dont know man, shouldnt we be above that? it feels too close to base human nature (and thus to chimpanzee nature) to act out violently
there has to be a better way, and iirc malcolm x at the end of his life thought so too right? I think ghandi had the right idea and i try to stick by his ideals when i judge this kind of thing

maybe I'm wrong but i have to believe otherwise

I feel we should be above that as well, but the humans in power will use violence to do what they want and people can peacefully protest all they want but the people in power are never going to do anything.

Look at how pro remain marches with millions of attendees achieve nothing, because even with millions of people there the government can just ignore it. If people start breaking things then suddenly there's something the government has to listen to. Look at the yellow vest protests in France for example.

Minty14 wrote:IMO the key to protest is disruption, rather than violence. That sometimes includes necessary violent acts though.

the above is what i think
i guess in terms of violence it depends on how you define it; breaking gooseberry fool and fighting cops (if they throw the first stone) is fine but straight up going for people is wrong

Minty14 wrote:And why the Extinction Rebellion protests actually forced politicians into reacting.

Speaking of which, Moggy will likely not be joining us for the rest of the day, as he is either

A: stuck in traffic jams caused by Extinction Rebellion blocking the road in Bristol today, or
B: Sat on top their pink boat waving his own Moggy banner.

Vermilion wrote:
Minty14 wrote:And why the Extinction Rebellion protests actually forced politicians into reacting.

Speaking of which, Moggy will likely not be joining us for the rest of the day, as he is either

A: stuck in traffic jams caused by Extinction Rebellion blocking the road in Bristol today, or
B: Sat on top their pink boat waving his own Moggy banner.

C: Lives close enough to work to not ever have to drive there

D: Doesn’t work on Monday’s anyway and knows how to avoid the jams caused by Extinction Rebellion.

Corazon de Leon

Moggy wrote:
Vermilion wrote:
Minty14 wrote:And why the Extinction Rebellion protests actually forced politicians into reacting.

Speaking of which, Moggy will likely not be joining us for the rest of the day, as he is either

A: stuck in traffic jams caused by Extinction Rebellion blocking the road in Bristol today, or
B: Sat on top their pink boat waving his own Moggy banner.

C: Lives close enough to work to not ever have to drive there

D: Doesn’t work on Monday’s anyway and knows how to avoid the jams caused by Extinction Rebellion.

E: Doesn't understand how the apostrophe works

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