An anarchist attacked an American concentration camp and was shot dead by guards

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PostAn anarchist attacked an American concentration camp and was shot dead by guards
by That » Sun Jul 14, 2019 2:54 pm

His name was Willem Van Spronsen. He was a 69 year old anarchist and antifascist who successfully destroyed an ICE vehicle with molotov cocktails before being shot dead by four guards.

It was not his first direct action at that concentration camp: last year he was detained after charging the police and successfully de-arresting a young protestor at a rally outside.

The Guardian wrote:A 69-year-old man armed with a rifle threw incendiary devices at an immigration jail in Washington state early on Saturday morning, then was found dead after four police officers arrived and opened fire, authorities said.

A friend of the dead man said she thought he wanted to provoke a fatal conflict, the Seattle Times reported, and described him as an anarchist and anti-fascist.

The Tacoma police department said the officers responded about 4am to the privately run Tacoma Northwest Detention Centre, a Department of Homeland Security detention facility that holds migrants pending deportation proceedings.

The detention centre has also held immigration-seeking parents separated from their children under Donald Trump’s “zero tolerance” policy, an effort meant to deter illegal immigration.

The shooting took place about six hours after a peaceful rally in front of the detention centre, police spokesman Loretta Cool said.

The Pierce county medical examiner’s office identified the man as Willem Van Spronsen of Vashon Island, the Tacoma News-Tribune and the Seattle Times reported.

Police said Van Spronsen caused a vehicle to catch fire and attempted to ignite a large propane tank and set buildings alight. Police said that besides the rifle, he had a satchel and flares.

[...] A friend of Van Spronsen, Deb Bartley, told the Seattle Times she had been a friend for about 20 years. She described Van Spronsen as an anarchist and anti-fascist and said she believed his attack on the detention center was meant to provoke a fatal conflict.

“He was ready to end it,” Bartley said. “I think this was a suicide. But then he was able to kind of do it in a way that spoke to his political beliefs. I know he went down there knowing he was going to die.”

She said she and other friends of Van Spronsen got letters in the mail “just saying goodbye”. He also wrote what she referred to as a manifesto, which she declined to discuss in detail.

Van Spronsen was accused of assaulting a police officer during a protest outside the detention centre, the News-Tribune reported. According to court documents he lunged at the officer who was trying to detain a 17-year-old protester on 26 June 2018.

Van Spronsen pleaded guilty to the charge of obstructing police and was given a deferred sentence in October, the News-Tribune reported.

There are a lot of people out there right now sneering at him. The right are predictably calling him every name under the sun; even many on the left are equivocating and saying "this just makes us look bad" and so on. Well, maybe it's not the smartest tactic or the most effective long-term strategy for change, but at least he was trying. I understand why not everyone agrees but I personally think being willing to go and die doing something, anything against concentration camps is pretty brave.

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PostRe: An anarchist attacked an American concentration camp and was shot dead by guards
by Captain Kinopio » Sun Jul 14, 2019 2:55 pm

Concentration Camp?

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PostRe: An anarchist attacked an American concentration camp and was shot dead by guards
by Tineash » Sun Jul 14, 2019 2:56 pm

Should have done a Czolgosz.

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PostRe: An anarchist attacked an American concentration camp and was shot dead by guards
by Lex-Man » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:04 pm

Captain Kinopio wrote:Concentration Camp?


The camps where they're keeping immigrants without letting them wash or brush their teeth.

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PostRe: An anarchist attacked an American concentration camp and was shot dead by guards
by Tineash » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:05 pm

Excuse me, EXCUSE ME SIR! This incivility is uncalled for. They're actually Mandatory Attendance Institutions.

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PostRe: An anarchist attacked an American concentration camp and was shot dead by guards
by Knoyleo » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:07 pm

Captain Kinopio wrote:Concentration Camp?

https://www.britannica.com/topic/concentration-camp

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PostRe: An anarchist attacked an American concentration camp and was shot dead by guards
by Lex-Man » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:11 pm

Tineash wrote:Excuse me, EXCUSE ME SIR! This incivility is uncalled for. They're actually Mandatory Attendance Institutions.


Just for the record I totally agree they're concentration camps.

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by That » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:16 pm

They aren't even "technically-concentration-camps", they are concentration camps in the typical usage: squalid conditions, lack of medical and hygiene facilities, detainees wearing rags and sleeping under tin-foil, deliberately cruel arrangements including outdoor cages and packed standing-only cells, separated families including mothers from children, and so forth.

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by Cuttooth » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:19 pm

Yeah, it's really not up for debate. Historians have called them concentration camps, Jewish groups have called them concentration camps, Japanese-American people have called them concentration camps.

It's what they are.

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PostRe: An anarchist attacked an American concentration camp and was shot dead by guards
by Knoyleo » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:26 pm

Just waiting for Rightey to come in and defend these concentration camps as logical and necessary to protect borders, and that if people just stayed where they were, they wouldn't end up in them, so it's their fault anyway.

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PostRe: An anarchist attacked an American concentration camp and was shot dead by guards
by That » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:28 pm

Knoyleo wrote:Just waiting for Rightey to come in and defend these concentration camps as logical and necessary to protect borders, and that if people just stayed where they were, they wouldn't end up in them, so it's their fault anyway.

, and furthermore the concentration camps are private facilities so it's not technically the government's fault, like it or not we live in the free market of concentration camp construction,

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by False » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:30 pm

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by Ironhide » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:33 pm

Karl_ wrote:They aren't even "technically-concentration-camps", they are concentration camps in the typical usage: squalid conditions, lack of medical and hygiene facilities, detainees wearing rags and sleeping under tin-foil, deliberately cruel arrangements including outdoor cages and packed standing-only cells, separated families including mothers from children, and so forth.


Its a strawberry floating disgrace that a supposedly world leading country that prides itself on the 'freedom' of its citizens can get away with treating people in such an inhumane and degrading manner.

Trump and his supporters are utter scum.

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by Moggy » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:53 pm

Karl_ wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:Just waiting for Rightey to come in and defend these concentration camps as logical and necessary to protect borders, and that if people just stayed where they were, they wouldn't end up in them, so it's their fault anyway.

, and furthermore the concentration camps are private facilities so it's not technically the government's fault, like it or not we live in the free market of concentration camp construction,


...but it’s a good thing the migrants are in a capitalist country, they’d be held in horrible conditions if they were in some socialist hell hole.

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by <]:^D » Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:08 pm

:lol:

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by Lex-Man » Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:12 pm

Karl_ wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:Just waiting for Rightey to come in and defend these concentration camps as logical and necessary to protect borders, and that if people just stayed where they were, they wouldn't end up in them, so it's their fault anyway.

, and furthermore the concentration camps are private facilities so it's not technically the government's fault, like it or not we live in the free market of concentration camp construction,


Presumably the government is paying so could easily require the companies to treat the detainees with some decency.

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PostRe: An anarchist attacked an American concentration camp and was shot dead by guards
by Dual » Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:14 pm

At least he died doing what he loved.

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PostRe: An anarchist attacked an American concentration camp and was shot dead by guards
by Peter Crisp » Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:22 pm

What makes the situation even more baffling is that if any of this were to have happened under Obama Republicans would be going full on mental.

US conservatives have this odd idea that they can do anything they like however terrible and it's somehow justified because they're somehow defending freedom and are the rightful owners of the country while any and all liberal ideas and supporters are brain damaged lunatics who want to destroy America.

It's why it's so impossible to argue with them.

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PostRe: An anarchist attacked an American concentration camp and was shot dead by guards
by <]:^D » Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:18 pm

Dual wrote:At least he died doing what he loved.

:lol:

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PostRe: An anarchist attacked an American concentration camp and was shot dead by guards
by Lex-Man » Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:24 pm

Peter Crisp wrote:What makes the situation even more baffling is that if any of this were to have happened under Obama Republicans would be going full on mental.

US conservatives have this odd idea that they can do anything they like however terrible and it's somehow justified because they're somehow defending freedom and are the rightful owners of the country while any and all liberal ideas and supporters are brain damaged lunatics who want to destroy America.

It's why it's so impossible to argue with them.


I don't think you're correct.

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