Après La Mort – AYAFF? Death Thread

Parksey wrote:You must have missed when StayDead basically outed himself. He also gave himself away in another way too, but not sure how much we are allowed to say about specific player identities...

I thought he gave himself away quite obviously in his second post of the game :lol:

Edit - just checked this and it must have been in the sign up thread. It was when he quickly clarified his first post had been a harmless joke, promising that he wasn't being an 'asshole' :lol:

Parksey wrote:You must have missed when StayDead basically outed himself. He also gave himself away in another way too, but not sure how much we are allowed to say about specific player identities...

This is a safe zone. What did he do?

So Hugo is StayDead.

He posted one of Hugo's long post count lists as his own account.

He was also very anxious and jittery at first when defending himself against me the night before he came out, and SD does tend to get a bit nervy when death beckons.

Was fully intending to use that to my advantage (and the fact Jlaw had done more "good" for the village than Hugo up until that point) though, fair play to him, he'd set up a decent security net with his Vigi which ultimately left me with nowhere to go. Apart from shooting Karen, as she was really the next likely one to go in the lynch. I was surprised Keanu was the first to go, to be honest, as I'd be trying to goad Karen into posting stuff against me and Ryan all day, when we both seemed trustworthy.

Also Hugo might have made a bit of a slip up there. Won't say what just yet.

I do feel like the village is in less uncertain hands after Ryan's death. Look at what they are saying and general behaviour, I wouldn't feel as confident with Henry and Hugo at the wheel as I would be with Ryan. Makes me a bit annoyed we didn't off him on Day 2 (though there was a sense he'd be protected, either him or Zendaya).

Parksey wrote:Also Hugo might have made a bit of a slip up there. Won't say what just yet.

I do feel like the village is in less uncertain hands after Ryan's death. Look at what they are saying and general behaviour, I wouldn't feel as confident with Henry and Hugo at the wheel as I would be with Ryan. Makes me a bit annoyed we didn't off him on Day 2 (though there was a sense he'd be protected, either him or Zendaya).

Fwiw I was really keen to take the wheel today as Mayor if I was alive even though I'm not a proven role as I'm not convinced Henry/Hugo will make the right chop here.

I was trying so hard to bluff Clarkman that id be protected or that there was even a protection role in play there isn't afaik in an effort to stay alive for today. I was hoping one of the factions might go after some of the quiet players i'd been defending (Kate/Halle) assuming that they were the BG or Seer we kept hinting we had.

I think Hugo/Henry need Tom (Mori?) to take charge behind he scenes for them to get a good outcome today.

Also I may have lied about what the pisswater does and I have a sneaking suspicion that Hugo might lynch Tom Hardy if he realises and jumps the gun so I really hope Mori can reassure him or Emily gets in as Mayor.

Bryan Cranston wrote:Switching to Emily for a competent trustworthy mayor.

Nun wrote:Also I may have lied about what the pisswater does and I have a sneaking suspicion that Hugo might lynch Tom Hardy if he realises and jumps the gun so I really hope Mori can reassure him or Emily gets in as Mayor.

I had been wondering why you failed to mention some of the finer details. Could be a recipe for chaos :lol:

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Nun wrote:Also I may have lied about what the pisswater does and I have a sneaking suspicion that Hugo might lynch Tom Hardy if he realises and jumps the gun so I really hope Mori can reassure him or Emily gets in as Mayor.

I had been wondering why you failed to mention some of the finer details. Could be a recipe for chaos .

So at the time I also thought answering the call of righteousness would be a cult thing and figured I might get recruited as a now trusted player so thought I'd definitely hide that from most people.

Quite a few players Isaacs,Zendaya,Hardy&Cavill know the finer details behind the scenes but just depends if they remember to check the PMs as Jason seems to be referring to my inthread post which is concerning as he knows its not a full role list lol

The Js are fools for killing me.

Really dislike that Hugo/Staydead was essentially unkillable because of the second bullet mechanic (if true, if not, well played).

The village win is contingent on one of them managing to finger Tom Hardy.

Village play has been extremely poor this game.

And yes Drum, it was me that killed you for being the only person in the thread to catch the use of the J term.

Also, every game it is incredible to me how Staydead gets so much wrong with so much confidence :lol:

He has been wrong on essentially everything so far.

Nun wrote:I feel like whenever I've played village I either die Night 2 or if I manage to get past the first couple of kills there always seems to be someone in thread who advocates for me being the alpha or a wolf making a bold play . Would love to know what I do that makes me seem that way.

Nun wrote:Also I may have lied about what the pisswater does

Yeah Hugo has definitely made some weird, confident assertions. That Vigi power (and his planning in coming out to Henry early) managed to save him and then get him into a position of power. Again, you have to look at the hands people are dealt with their role and, ultimately, I think he's done okay with it, though shooting Karen was a bit weird.

Though saying that, in hindsight we might look back at our own decisions too. Not killing a trusted player on Day 2 (though we did get a Jacobin) might be one.

We've probably been a bit too trusting of the fact there's a protection role out there too...

Clarkman wrote:Really dislike that Hugo/Staydead was essentially unkillable because of the second bullet mechanic (if true, if not, well played).

With this and anything else that transpires/comes out in the game thread, I urge you to bear in mind that various things/actions/roles/claims etc will remain uncertain until the game has finished and they can be confirmed during the mop up.

What I will say is that I had a long time to think very carefully about the balance. I needed to, given the different format I chose, and although it could still end up somewhat one-sided, I can very confidently declare that up to this point the factions remain in perfect balance. If one side ends up strolling to victory, I believe it will be down to good play on their part (potentially with a bit of luck, as is true in any AYA? game) rather than anything else.

What the claim here? Hugo had two bullets, and they can be used to defend himself in addition to killing people?

I don't believe that. I would believe that if it was one bullet; two bullets makes things too easy for that role. He either started off with one bullet which can be used against someone directly or in self defence; or he started with two bullets that could only be used to target people directly.

So there were 10 freedom fighters to 30 players, with 2 kills a night? So town were/are relying on cross-faction kills to have a fighting chance - which to be fair is what has been happening, but that can't have been easy to balance!

I hope you have time to put together a day-by-day summary of what happened at the end of the game.

Drumstick wrote:What the claim here? Hugo had two bullets, and they can be used to defend himself in addition to killing people?

I don't believe that. I would believe that if it was one bullet; two bullets makes things too easy for that role. He either started off with one bullet which can be used against someone directly or in self defence; or he started with two bullets that could only be used to target people directly.

We've had similarly powered vigis before though haven't we?

Similar, yes. But not more than one bullet in addition to the retaliation aspect.

OrangeRKN wrote:So there were 10 freedom fighters to 30 players, with 2 kills a night? So town were/are relying on cross-faction kills to have a fighting chance - which to be fair is what has been happening, but that can't have been easy to balance!

There has certainly been an element of relying on the law of probabilities – hence the need for a minimum player count.

I felt it was a safe bet to also rely on the game almost self-balancing to an extent (albeit with limited capability to do so) if it did stretch too far one way or the other. The Freedom Fighters should be clever enough to understand the need to maintain a balance through the early-to-mid game, and they are able to operate on the intelligence available to everyone else in the thread due to the Étang mechanism (as well as everything that has been going on behind closed doors, which by all accounts has been substantial).

Staydead now KNOWS there are two wolf factions who aren't interacting, but STILL gives Tom Hardy impunity for killing a Freedom Fighter from what could be the opposite team of wolves. A wolf that any mayor would have HAD to kill yesterday. :fp:

Drumstick wrote:What the claim here? Hugo had two bullets, and they can be used to defend himself in addition to killing people?

I don't believe that. I would believe that if it was one bullet; two bullets makes things too easy for that role. He either started off with one bullet which can be used against someone directly or in self defence; or he started with two bullets that could only be used to target people directly.

Yeah, we thought four bullets was overkill. That's more than 10% of the starting playerbase, though there could be mitigating factors with that second/protective use.

We thought it might be to safeguard Hugo against getting attacked when he isn't mayor. He knows there's no protection role too (if that is indeed the case).

Regarding balance, I'll save that for when the game is over as stuff can still happen/be lined up to happen and I think that, while the village have the advantage at the moment, it's not a lost cause.

I think the number of baddies is offset by the two factions and the Etang. I'm pleased to see that the Etang hasn't been powered up to be a 100% accurate Seering tool on its own, and I don't believe the cake gives a Seer result as that seems weird. As I said as JLaw, the Etang is more powerful but less accurate.

I don't know what the Jacobins were/are planning so hard to say, but they should be avoiding each other and bumping off the trusted players. This was basically our strategy since Day 2, though we did also make a detour on Day 2 to kill Drum, but have been going for the trustworthy humans after that.

If one faction goes for the other at the moment, or reduces the possible pool to hide in, the game could be lost. They will have no chance if there X amount of Jacobins, Y amount of the others but more than one or two trustworthy humans. That's why Bae's death is a little disappointing to me, coming when it has.

EDIT - and no matter what evaluations or feedback gets said after the endgame (there's always stuff to consider at the end, and stuff to mix up for next time, as the games shouldn't just be all the same and should experiment), I am always hugely appreciative to anyone who has the time to run these games for us.

With OR's game I felt had balancing issues, but it's also not done in a vacuum and you have good/bad players making good/bad decisions, often with fractured intel. There's never been a "bad" game for me, and I always really enjoy them no matter the result.

Even the one where Denster shot me.

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