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The idea that it was a full role call was useful for bluffing though

I swear the three things it listed were FFs, Vigs and Esteemed Righteousness? Which is why I was so confused there were only two vigs as I assumed there would be more otherwise why include it.

Qikz has just said on the Mario Kart Monday Discord chat that he shot karen (i.e. me) because she reminded him of Eva Murray from the last game, who apparently scraped through the game til the end as a barely active player. Er, pretty sure that of all the things you could accuse good ol' karen of, being barely active isn't one of them...

sawyerpip wrote:[I think the alliance would work without the chance of betrayal if the NC is the one who gets the mayorship as they then can't be killed by the Jac, so they lynch a villager and each kill a villager in the evening to leave them as the last two standing. The NC couldn't betray the Jac either as then there would be only one night kill and they'd be left with two villagers on the final day for an easy village win.

Good point! Has ob bob confirmed what happens in a tied 1v1 jac/nc scenario?

From reading the rules alone it's possible if one was mayor the previous day the other would win by default by being the only one eligible to become mayor and control the lynch.

OrangeRKN wrote:

Parksey wrote:So my understanding is:

*If they lynch the villager, the NC kills Emily/Hugo, then J kills the NC and wins. If the NC kills the Jac, village kills them and win.

Like I said in this situation the NC should choose not to kill, force the Jac to kill Emily/Hugo, and then the surviving villager gets to choose which faction wins.

Unless NC are forced to kill?

The best move for the FFs as a whole is to poach the mayorship tomorrow (2/5 = 40%). Then it plays out as a town miscondemn albeit with the possibility of the ffs killing both townies in the night. Theory dictates NC wouldn't agree to this though as the jac could kill them as soon as they kill town so the NC would still want to no kill and force the game to go to a town kingmaker.

I think the NC sacrifice, while interesting, was a mistake. They'd be in a better position alone with a single night kill as the extra jac kill buys them nothing.

Interesting analysis! It instinctively seems counterintuitive that going down to one Citizen death could be good for the FFs but then of course there is the split faction element to consider.

satriales wrote:So the Friday role list didn't actually list any roles!!

We actually considered several times to make up a role and try and do some big plays but the role list being revealed in a few days put us off.

This is actually where The Great Deception began. Sawyerpip kept some of the finer details to himself (and presumably what went on to become the trusted group). One of them was that it would only reveal roles in some cases.

This conscious omission seemed to spark the streak of deceit that was to come over the next few days. I'm sure I've never seen so much bullshit coming from the Town in a game like this, certainly not in a way that turned out to be so successful!

Nun wrote:The idea that it was a full role call was useful for bluffing though

I swear the three things it listed were FFs, Vigs and Esteemed Righteousness? Which is why I was so confused there were only two vigs as I assumed there would be more otherwise why include it.

That's right. I'm actually not sure now if Hugo is bluffing again, claiming it didn't include those with esteemed righteousness, or if he has genuinely forgotten and not gone back to reread. Seems an odd bluff as it's obsolete now really.

Maybe he has a taste for telling lies as he has done throughout the game and now he can't get enough of it.

OrangeRKN wrote:

sawyerpip wrote:[I think the alliance would work without the chance of betrayal if the NC is the one who gets the mayorship as they then can't be killed by the Jac, so they lynch a villager and each kill a villager in the evening to leave them as the last two standing. The NC couldn't betray the Jac either as then there would be only one night kill and they'd be left with two villagers on the final day for an easy village win.

Good point! Has ob bob confirmed what happens in a tied 1v1 jac/nc scenario?

From reading the rules alone it's possible if one was mayor the previous day the other would win by default by being the only one eligible to become mayor and control the lynch.

I would simply have to follow a fair interpretation of the rules, consistent with how they have been applied throughout the game. So yes, as the Bourreau can vote for him/herself, we would move to eligibility based on who had it the previous day. Then, as we know from there: "Any player elected as Bourreau will have no trouble in severing a head from a body when using the Guillotine Diamant".

So, are the town going to lynch the right person?

Jenuall wrote:So, are the town going to lynch the right person?

Tempted to submit a 'request a bet' to Ladbrokes wonder what odds they'd have for each outcome.

A pain au chocolat tomorrow throws a spanner in the works. I think the only way for the NC to win now is for the villager to be lynched and then to skip their kill, leaving it up to Hugo to essentially decide the winner tomorrow.

Although Emily is basically guaranteed to die tonight so it will depend if her bake order is already confirmed or if she has to be alive to deliver it tomorrow, I'm not sure how the baking works.

SD feeling the pressure!

Has any other AYA game finished on such a fine balance? Quite impressive that events have turned out in the way that they have to still allow a win for any team.

Rocsteady wrote:SD feeling the pressure!

He is going to take it very hard if he gets it wrong .

Sprouty wrote:Has any other AYA game finished on such a fine balance? Quite impressive that events have turned out in the way that they have to still allow a win for any team.

Drumstick's last game went down to a final three. There was an interesting role where one of the wolves (satriales) was actually the Dogfather, basically a wolf who was secretly out for themselves and could kill independently of the rest of the pack on certain nights, and also had the alpha ability of seering as human. It was generally accepted in thread that the Dogfather kills were a serial killer type role, which led to some confusion at the end of the game. We knew there was one wolf left, but also assumed there was a serial killer role (not realising they were the same person). The seer had seered everyone aside from me who all came up human, so by process of elimination assumed I was the wolf, and my pleas that I was human fell on deaf ears. Satriales ended up winning as I think when I flipped human the remaining seer and villager were just completely befuddled.

I think that was the only time an independent role has won, but I may be wrong.

Think Maggie just done strawberry floated it

Jenuall wrote:Think Maggie just done strawberry floated it

Did she edit her post or something? I'm not sure how Hugo got FF from her post?

Me neither. Her last post does look a bit suspicious tho

Wonder if Hugo has gone with his suspicion stated in the thread, or done a big brain play in private with other info and pulled a switcheroo.

I'm also genuinely wondering which of the two I don't know about is a baddie...

He's convinced Jodie is human by the way. I've long been doubtful on the reasoning.

Hugo really dragging out the deliberation over the choice that hasn't changed in any meaningful way for at least 2 days.

Jenuall wrote:Think Maggie just done strawberry floated it

They already gave themselves away with the post about cake protection/seering.

OrangeRKN wrote:Hugo really dragging out the deliberation over the choice that hasn't changed in any meaningful way for at least 2 days.

Jenuall wrote:Think Maggie just done strawberry floated it

They already gave themselves away with the post about cake protection/seering.

That didn't help - I do think both that post and this one can be reasonably explained but at this stage of the game any hint of dodgy wording or information is enough to get you dead.

He's definitely jittery and on edge, so liable to overthink or doubt himself.

Again, just makes me wish we'd removed Ryan earlier on day 2 and not been so wary about outside protection and destabilised the leadership, as they haven't been as effective without him and Tom. I thought Zendaya was dangerous early on and might have stepped up to fill a void, but she was always sort of in the background (in the thread anyway).

The Jacobins killing Tilda and Margot when they were unknown didn't help either. Would have been much more uncertain without Hugo and Emily in there.