Are All Men Trash? Discussion

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PostRe: Are All Men Trash? Discussion
by Jenuall » Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:56 pm

Moggy wrote:
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Moggy wrote:One of them (to the ears of somebody in the middle) is saying “you’re not so bad, but we can all try and be better”, the other is very easily spun or misinterpreted as “you have a penis? Then you’re a banana split!”.

No just imagine if you had a penis and a banana split, what a world that would be. :slol:


Don’t hate on intersex people.

Why, do they not like to put cream and a cherry on their penis then?

Fair point though, my crude humanity joke has just exposed me as being a crude joke of a human.

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PostRe: Are All Men Trash? Discussion
by Karl_ » Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:56 pm

Until very recently, medical policy was that if a baby were born with two sets of genitals, one set of genitals would be surgically destroyed. Even today it can still happen with parental consent, despite being totally unnecessary. It's actually very sad and many intersex people grow up wishing they hadn't been surgically interfered with in that way. :(

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PostRe: Are All Men Trash? Discussion
by Moggy » Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:57 pm

Jenuall wrote:
Moggy wrote:
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Moggy wrote:One of them (to the ears of somebody in the middle) is saying “you’re not so bad, but we can all try and be better”, the other is very easily spun or misinterpreted as “you have a penis? Then you’re a banana split!”.

No just imagine if you had a penis and a banana split, what a world that would be. :slol:


Don’t hate on intersex people.

Why, do they not like to put cream and a cherry on their penis then?

Fair point though, my crude humanity joke has just exposed me as being a crude joke of a human.


#jenualliscancelled

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by Karl_ » Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:58 pm

I've been looking for an excuse to gulag IP ban Jenuall for a while, any objections?

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PostRe: Are All Men Trash? Discussion
by Jenuall » Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:06 pm

Sorry folks, my lack of thought led to a real yikes moment.

Even I wouldn't object at this point.

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PostRe: Are All Men Trash? Discussion
by Preezy » Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:12 pm

Are All Men Trash? No.
Are Some Men Trash? Sure.

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PostRe: Are All Men Trash? Discussion
by Moggy » Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:13 pm

Preezy wrote:Are All Men Trash? No.
Are Some Men Trash? Sure.


Is Preezy trash? Definitely.

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PostRe: Are All Men Trash? Discussion
by Preezy » Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:14 pm

Moggy wrote:
Preezy wrote:Are All Men Trash? No.
Are Some Men Trash? Sure.


Is Preezy trash? Definitely.

Can't argue with that 8-)

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PostRe: Are All Men Trash? Discussion
by Minty14 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:17 pm

The fact that so many men got so triggered by what this woman said and yet have no interest in the constant harassment she suffers (not on here, but in general) kind of proves her point. Most wouldn't bat an eyelid if one of their chums said "eurgh, I hate women" after a few bad experiences for example.

To summarise;
Perpetual sexual harassment: I sleep
Besmirching the good name of men: REAL gooseberry fool

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by Oblomov Boblomov » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:08 pm

Karl_ wrote:I've been looking for an excuse to gulag IP ban Jenuall for a while, any objections?

Let him post his MSN username first so that he can tell us all about it.

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by Rightey » Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:44 pm

Karl_ wrote:I don't lump myself together with "men who did bad stuff" but listening to men equivocate about the patriarchy genuinely does make me embarrassed to have a penis. Wish I had the superior pain tolerance of a woman so I could take a violent revolution directly to my own petite bourgeoisie.


Did Karl just say he wants to get kicked in his weiner? :dread:

On the topic, no men are not trash, what a stupid statement to make, some are bad, some are good. Furthermore saying that things would be better if the world was run by women is just as ridiculous.

Humans don't have any matriarchies, nor have they really had any, there might have been some in pre-historic times but they've never gotten past the tribal stage, so someone saying "well we wouldn't have issue x if women had been in charge from the beginning" is just wild speculation.

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PostRe: Are All Men Trash? Discussion
by Knoyleo » Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:28 pm

Going back to the earlier discussion of radical language, and dialing it back to appeal to a wider audience, I totally get that optics are important, but I also don't feel a statement like "men are trash" is even a particularly radical statement, especially given the context in the original post. This was a female game streamer, putting up with a load of harassment from men. Isn't trash a pretty commonly used negative descriptor in games chat anyway? "Hanzo mains are trash," "that game's pay to win trash," "Activision Blizzard are trash," and so on.

If she'd gone on from saying men are trash, and continued into a lengthy monologue about The Scum Manifesto and how Solanas was right, then maybe that would be radical, but on its own, its a young woman lashing out at some trash men, in a field where male voices are dominant and will always be given priority.

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PostRe: Are All Men Trash? Discussion
by Moggy » Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:36 pm

Knoyleo wrote:Going back to the earlier discussion of radical language, and dialing it back to appeal to a wider audience, I totally get that optics are important, but I also don't feel a statement like "men are trash" is even a particularly radical statement, especially given the context in the original post. This was a female game streamer, putting up with a load of harassment from men. Isn't trash a pretty commonly used negative descriptor in games chat anyway? "Hanzo mains are trash," "that game's pay to win trash," "Activision Blizzard are trash," and so on.

If she'd gone on from saying men are trash, and continued into a lengthy monologue about The Scum Manifesto and how Solanas was right, then maybe that would be radical, but on its own, its a young woman lashing out at some trash men, in a field where male voices are dominant and will always be given priority.


It’s not all that radical a statement and she wasn’t wrong to say it.

But it doesn’t move anything forward. The people that agree with her already agree with her, the people that disagree with her now have an additional stick to beat her with and those who don’t know anything about it are only hearing that she called every single man trash.

“All men are trash” doesn’t offend me, but I see enough alt-right bullshit online to know exactly how they will use that to abuse more women and also to convince more people to their “bloody crazy feminists eh!” ideas.

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PostRe: Are All Men Trash? Discussion
by Tsunade » Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:43 pm

In my opinion, some men are trash and some aren't. Some women are trash and some aren't.

I've been friends with mostly males my whole life, and I've seen some of them turned into right scumbags as they've got older, whilst others are really decent blokes who just want to get on with it.

I also went to an all girls high school (and hated it). Some of those girls were horrible, trashy people that I hope to never see again (who the hell puts a condom in someone's hair for no reason other than "I just don't like her"?), whilst again some have turned out lovely and were lovely back then.
Sorry if I've missed some of the context out, I'm half asleep.

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PostRe: Are All Men Trash? Discussion
by Corazon de Leon » Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:40 am

Knoyleo wrote:Going back to the earlier discussion of radical language, and dialing it back to appeal to a wider audience, I totally get that optics are important, but I also don't feel a statement like "men are trash" is even a particularly radical statement, especially given the context in the original post. This was a female game streamer, putting up with a load of harassment from men. Isn't trash a pretty commonly used negative descriptor in games chat anyway? "Hanzo mains are trash," "that game's pay to win trash," "Activision Blizzard are trash," and so on.

If she'd gone on from saying men are trash, and continued into a lengthy monologue about The Scum Manifesto and how Solanas was right, then maybe that would be radical, but on its own, its a young woman lashing out at some trash men, in a field where male voices are dominant and will always be given priority.


No, I agree with you. Putting the actual statement into context, you can't blame the woman for lashing out at all, it's totally understandable.

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PostRe: Are All Men Trash? Discussion
by Karl_ » Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:48 am

Knoyleo wrote:Going back to the earlier discussion of radical language, and dialing it back to appeal to a wider audience, I totally get that optics are important, but I also don't feel a statement like "men are trash" is even a particularly radical statement, especially given the context in the original post. This was a female game streamer, putting up with a load of harassment from men.

Absolutely. I see this mirrored in queer communities sometimes -- you know, a trans woman will be laughed at on the bus (or whatever), she'll come home and vent "why are cis folks such horrible bullies?", and there'll always be some smartarse (often a cis "ally") in the comments saying "well actually that's a generalisation, Not All Cis People are mean".

I think that kind of outright rude behaviour is on a totally different level to any angle discussed here---please don't get me wrong, I'm certain no-one here would be that tone-deaf---but it's worth reiterating that oppressed people need to vent, and if sometimes that's more public than would be optimal for optics it doesn't mean they did anything wrong.

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PostRe: Are All Men Trash? Discussion
by kerr9000 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:45 am

Venting at an entire sub group of people only tends to lead to helping to negatively stereotype whatever group you belong to most of the time.

I was married and my at the time wife became a monster , while I was suffering from PTSD and having crazy bad epileptic fits she started telling me I should kill myself and then she assaulted me, she punched me in the back of the head and tried to push me down the stairs. So I left, I took our child and began to fight for custody ... Do I think all women are bad or spread stuff about women, not at all. If you want to generalise a whole group based of the actions you've seen or worse just heard about then your an idiot and need to grow up. There are generally beautiful special people out there of every shape size color and gender and if you give in to whingy over generalisations then more fool you when you miss out or knowing some awesome people or push them away.

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PostRe: Are All Men Trash? Discussion
by Rightey » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:02 am

Like Kerr said, generalizing an entire group of people based on the actions of a few is dumb. It's the internet and people should be free to vent if they feel like it, but don't be surprised when you get people telling you that you're an idiot. Just because you're part of some minority doesn't change that fact.

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PostRe: Are All Men Trash? Discussion
by Knoyleo » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:07 am

I thought we'd already established that there's a difference between saying "men are trash," and actually genuinely hating all men, but OK, you two keep banging that drum.

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PostRe: Are All Men Trash? Discussion
by Sandy » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:03 am

It's interesting seeing reactions to absolute statements when they're applied to nebulous subjects.

If this was an answer to a question what would the question be? Are all men trash? What's the point in trying to answer that and why would anyone get annoyed about a one sentence answer to that? Unless of course they recognise themselves as the trash and their cognitive bias has kicked in demanding they must protect themselves. The outrage of someone insulting the tribe of men!

Speaking of absolute statements, it's pathetic that the ego of the patriarchy is so sensitive it had to remove a sponsorship deal of a woman making an off the cuff statement about harassment. It was just a reaction to being harassed, strawberry float any man that takes it as a personal attack on their being.


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