Are Madeline McCanns parents bad parents

Mafro wrote:This twtter thread is a good read.

First one says they lived in Leicester yet were upper class

Preezy wrote:

Mafro wrote:This twtter thread is a good read.

First one says they lived in Leicester yet were upper class

In Leicester that just meant they made more than minimum wage.

I've seen the documentary and obviously seen the reports and I don't think the McCanns did it. I don't see a motive, I know it's been suggested that they sedated the kids and it went wrong, but I don't think I have seen any evidence of that. If it was an accidental death I also don't see how they would have been able to cover it up so conclusively.

As for leaving the kids the way they did, yes it was a monumentally stupid thing to do. Even back in the 2000s generally people were aware that it would be an incredibly dumb thing to do. But hey, with the group they were in, at a resort that seemed safe, I think it's more realistic that they were just incredibly dumb rather than the purpetrators of some absolutely masterful cover up.

I don't think it makes them "bad parents". They did something absolutely careless and idiotic, something they are paying for dearly.

captain red dog wrote:I've seen the documentary and obviously seen the reports and I don't think the McCanns did it. I don't see a motive, I know it's been suggested that they sedated the kids and it went wrong, but I don't think I have seen any evidence of that. If it was an accidental death I also don't see how they would have been able to cover it up so conclusively.

As for leaving the kids the way they did, yes it was a monumentally stupid thing to do. Even back in the 2000s generally people were aware that it would be an incredibly dumb thing to do. But hey, with the group they were in, at a resort that seemed safe, I think it's more realistic that they were just incredibly dumb rather than the purpetrators of some absolutely masterful cover up.

I don't think it makes them "bad parents". They did something absolutely careless and idiotic, something they are paying for dearly.

When I went on holiday in the 80/90's with my parents they would have never left me alone like that.

captain red dog wrote:I've seen the documentary and obviously seen the reports and I don't think the McCanns did it. I don't see a motive, I know it's been suggested that they sedated the kids and it went wrong, but I don't think I have seen any evidence of that. If it was an accidental death I also don't see how they would have been able to cover it up so conclusively.

As for leaving the kids the way they did, yes it was a monumentally stupid thing to do. Even back in the 2000s generally people were aware that it would be an incredibly dumb thing to do. But hey, with the group they were in, at a resort that seemed safe, I think it's more realistic that they were just incredibly dumb rather than the purpetrators of some absolutely masterful cover up.

I don't think it makes them "bad parents". They did something absolutely careless and idiotic, something they are paying for dearly.

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captain red dog wrote:Even back in the 2000s generally people were aware that it would be an incredibly dumb thing to do.

You make it sound like the 2000s were a completely different era. It’s not like the 50s/60s where parents would leave the kids in the car while they went boozing in the pub.

Haven't seen the Netflix thing, but yes. I don't think they did it, but they completely failed to protect her and should have had someone there with them.

From what I remember all them years ago, the parents left her all alone in a hotel room, went out to have a meal and drink, that is bad, very bad. she was like 5. If she was 16 or something yeah. I also remember seeing they took her older brother out with them, but left her, not sure if that's me miss remembering, but I would say they are bad parents. Even is Madeline wasn't taken they'd be bad parents.

Pedz wrote:From what I remember all them years ago, the parents left her all alone in a hotel room, went out to have a meal and drink, that is bad, very bad. she was like 5. If she was 16 or something yeah. I also remember seeing they took her older brother out with them, but left her, not sure if that's me miss remembering, but I would say they are bad parents. Even is Madeline wasn't taken they'd be bad parents.

I just looked it up. She was 3 years old when she disappeared and the other two kids that the McCann's left alone were 2 years old.

Not only did they leave three young children in the apartment to go out, they left the patio doors to the apartment unlocked! It's not just a misjudgement, it's a terrible decision.

And it's not like they were 10 meters away with full visibility of the entrance/exit (that they had left unlocked ) - they were a good walk around the block!

I was under the impression that she had a number of other siblings in the room with her and that one of them had been found to be given a sedative. Not sure how true that is though.

Mafro wrote:This twtter thread is a good read.

twitter.com/vasinvain/status/1052261768909733888

Dodgy, dodgy couple.

So they said "don't worry about it we got it" and cleaned up the chef's mess

Sounds like my job. Bet they got more then minimum wage for it too.

I know members of the Freud family.

They were both doctors weren't they?

You would think they would be reasonably smart enough to think that was a bad idea.

Moggy wrote:

Pedz wrote:From what I remember all them years ago, the parents left her all alone in a hotel room, went out to have a meal and drink, that is bad, very bad. she was like 5. If she was 16 or something yeah. I also remember seeing they took her older brother out with them, but left her, not sure if that's me miss remembering, but I would say they are bad parents. Even is Madeline wasn't taken they'd be bad parents.

I just looked it up. She was 3 years old when she disappeared and the other two kids that the McCann's left alone were 2 years old.

That's even worse.

Pedz wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Pedz wrote:From what I remember all them years ago, the parents left her all alone in a hotel room, went out to have a meal and drink, that is bad, very bad. she was like 5. If she was 16 or something yeah. I also remember seeing they took her older brother out with them, but left her, not sure if that's me miss remembering, but I would say they are bad parents. Even is Madeline wasn't taken they'd be bad parents.

I just looked it up. She was 3 years old when she disappeared and the other two kids that the McCann's left alone were 2 years old.

That's even worse.

I know.

Moggy wrote:

Pedz wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Pedz wrote:From what I remember all them years ago, the parents left her all alone in a hotel room, went out to have a meal and drink, that is bad, very bad. she was like 5. If she was 16 or something yeah. I also remember seeing they took her older brother out with them, but left her, not sure if that's me miss remembering, but I would say they are bad parents. Even is Madeline wasn't taken they'd be bad parents.

I just looked it up. She was 3 years old when she disappeared and the other two kids that the McCann's left alone were 2 years old.

That's even worse.

I know.

Ah, sorry. Wasn't trying to imply you were saying it was OK/less bad, I was just saying it was worse than I thought.

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:They left their kids unattended while they went to a bar. They're strawberry floating AWFUL parents, and if they hadn't been rich and white, they've have been jailed, or at the very least, had their remaining children taken off them and been pilloried in the press.

If they had been American and black that would almost certainly be the case and Fox news would be having a field day trying to make some spurious point and link all minorities while simultaneously claiming they aren't being at all racist.

Pedz wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Pedz wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Pedz wrote:From what I remember all them years ago, the parents left her all alone in a hotel room, went out to have a meal and drink, that is bad, very bad. she was like 5. If she was 16 or something yeah. I also remember seeing they took her older brother out with them, but left her, not sure if that's me miss remembering, but I would say they are bad parents. Even is Madeline wasn't taken they'd be bad parents.

I just looked it up. She was 3 years old when she disappeared and the other two kids that the McCann's left alone were 2 years old.

That's even worse.

I know.

Ah, sorry. Wasn't trying to imply you were saying it was OK/less bad, I was just saying it was worse than I thought.

No worries, I wasn't angry! As you said if the daughter was 16 then I wouldn’t think they were bad parents, leaving a 16 year old for the night is fine.

At 10 I would probably think they were unlucky and that it was reasonable to leave a 10 year old for a few hours.

At 3 (plus two 2 years olds)? It’s monumentally stupid and absolutely bad parenting.

Peter Crisp wrote:

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:They left their kids unattended while they went to a bar. They're strawberry floating AWFUL parents, and if they hadn't been rich and white, they've have been jailed, or at the very least, had their remaining children taken off them and been pilloried in the press.

If they had been American and black that would almost certainly be the case and Fox news would be having a field day trying to make some spurious point and link all minorities while simultaneously claiming they aren't being at all racist.

If they were American and Black then Fox News wouldn't even mention the story.

Moggy wrote:

Peter Crisp wrote:

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:They left their kids unattended while they went to a bar. They're strawberry floating AWFUL parents, and if they hadn't been rich and white, they've have been jailed, or at the very least, had their remaining children taken off them and been pilloried in the press.

If they had been American and black that would almost certainly be the case and Fox news would be having a field day trying to make some spurious point and link all minorities while simultaneously claiming they aren't being at all racist.

If they were American and Black then Fox News wouldn't even mention the story.

That could also be true. They would be either be all over the story with all the opinion anchors going insane or indeed not mention it at all there'd be no middle ground or attempt to do any actual journalism involved.