Are You A Werewolf? - GAME OVER

Last edited by Drumstick on Sun Mar 15, 2015 1:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.

It is now Day 21. The Village has been under threat for the last three weeks and only 7 remain from the original 67 inhabitants.

From here on in, the game is going to undertake a small but necessary change. The Mayoral system is to be abandoned, recent votes have been extremely low with today's 2 before the original deadline being the lowest. It seems relatively clear to me that such a system has reached its limit and now something more direct must take its place.

You will now be required to submit 2 votes to me for the lynch via PM. These are to be the people that you want to see lynched. Whomever of you receives the most votes will be lynched immediately after the deadline of 7pm.

You can change your votes as many times as you wish throughout each day, just send me another PM and I will keep track of things. As you have done throughout the previous 21 days, please just stick the names of the two people you are voting for in the subject line of the PM.

Any questions, ask away.

PostRe: Are You A Werewolf? - 6 vs. 1 by **DML** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 1:26 am

Well that now hugely changes things.

The two people I suspect the most are PCCD and furiosum. I'm going to have a look through both players' post history tomorrow to see who seems the most Wolfy to me, but I really do believe that the other 5 players are innocent. Off the top of my head furiosum seems the more likely but I've really got to do a little digging tomorrow to figure it all out.

PostRe: Are You A Werewolf? - 6 vs. 1 by **Shadow** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:36 am

This could be the final day.

For my money, PCCD is a good guy. He's had a few outbursts, but generally that's just been in frustration at the way the game was being played/controlled.

DayumChris and Chalmers both appear to have just started playing, with believable naivety. Believable for now, at least.

DML & PPM have both killed wolves, which is pretty much the least wolfy thing you can do unless you want to believe in elaborate conspiracy theories.

That leaves furiosum, who I've pointed the finger at previously and got argued down (because unbeknownst to me he'd been seered as a villager). Looking at everyone left alive, was he the leak in the circle of trust? He also seems to have taken a back seat lately despite being really active earlier in the game.

To defend myself, since it seems that it is going to be necessary, the reason I've not done anything of note since Friday is that I've come home for the weekend for mother's day and am struggling to find the time to get on the computer. Should I still be alive and the game still going it should improve on Monday, but that will continue today.

As for being a leak in the circle of trust, I was never in it. I received a couple of PMs after the seered list came out in public, but that was the extent of my behind the scenes involvement in this game.

Also, I would like to point out that it was me who brought ironhide to peoples attention when no-one had considered him as a potential wolf, and I was one of the people who was most vocal for getting him lynched from that point onwards. Would that make sense as a play for a wolf to make at a time when one more dead wolf would knock them down to one kill each night? Even if it would, luke would have been by far the more sensible wolf to throw under the bus since he was inactive, rather than picking someone who was largely trusted by the village.

I would also say that I can't be the wolf since I haven't been online in the window for wolves to choose their kills for a couple of days now, but since there is no way to prove that I guess it's largely irrelevant.

Anyway, as for my own suspicions I would point the finger of blame firmly at DML. Firstly his claim to have been anonymously contacted through his personal e-mail completely stinks. Only one of the cops would potentially have been able to do so had he wanted to, since met is one of the newcomers from sonm and so would almost certainly be unaware of DML's personal e-mail. Besides this, this allegedly happened at some point over night 5/day 6, which seems far too late in the game for the cops to not have someone they would be prepared to trust with such information without going through such a ridiculous loophole.

In addition, the choice of songwriter and the timing of it would both be perfect for a wolf sacrifice. Songwriter had been inactive and would no doubt have been contributing very little to the wolf cause. If anyone was to be sacrificed then he would be the perfect choice. Besides that, at the time songwriter was chosen the wolves had already lost 2 members. This meant that songwriter could die without the wolves losing a kill. Obviously sacrificing a wolf is always a risk, but it was as good a time as any would be to do so.

There is also the third point, by having songwriter lynched, DML wasted the public lynch. This isn't something I've come across before since mafia games are run differently over on SONM, but from what I can gather this is considered one of the most important phases of all for getting information as to possible wolves, and by putting up an inactive wolf alongside two villagers, he ensured that we gained nothing of use at all from it.

So yeah, DML has stunk something awful all game and in my opinion has been saved by being cop cleared. Since that is no longer relevant I can't look past him for the alpha.

Right, I've just had a look through furiosum's posts in the thread. His very first one is:

furiosum wrote:Just checking in, generic villager I'm afraid.

Lots of people make similar posts when they receive their roles, but it's such a nothingy post (no offence) that it tends to blend in with other similar posts, while also stating that he's a Villager.

furiosum wrote:Prefer the tenuous Tomous link to the even more tenuous Riksilver one, so I'll switch over to Pacman.

Mini-E - Riksilver and Kanbei
PPM , Errkal, Zellery, Chris, Dandy Kong, Moggy, mic, Lagamorph, BID0, Tomous (10)

Dblock - "Vote for me and the wolves will get it"
Hank Scorpio, Qikz, Falsey, Kezzer, ianf, Shadow (6)

Pancake - Kanbei and jiggles
Dan, LewisD, Jay Adama, Albear, Nun (5)

Pacman - Tomous and Kanbei
Rhubarb, Edd, CheekyDevlin, Met, furiosum (5)

Moves his vote from lynching Riksilver just when it seems like Pacman's is picking up pace. Sykes implied that the Riksilver list had been checked out, but if there's an Alpha in the game then obviously they would have remained undetected.

furiosum wrote:
Pacman for mayor - will nominate Devlin and Yaoi for lynch
Karl, BID0, Kanbei, Lewis D, Kezzer, jiggles, Pancake, Nun, PsychicSykes, Edd, DML, Zellery, Cribs, Dan., furiosum (15 votes)

May as well put my vote in, even though its borderline past deadline. Sorry for not voting earlier, not that it matters, been busy with university essays since my last post.

This one really sticks out to me. Puts his vote in for a mayor lynching Devlin, but past the deadline and when it's entirely pointless to do so anyway. To me, it only serves to be able to say "well, I voted for a mayor who lynched a Wolf so I can't possibly be a baddie" at some point down the line.

furiosum wrote:Well that went an awful lot better than expected, great work jiggles.

Taking the wolves down to 2 kills a night so early should be a big help.

Posts this after Devlin is lynched as a Wolf. A classic "great job guys, so glad we've bagged a pesky Wolf" kind of post. Another nothingy sort of post.

furiosum wrote:Yeah, qikz is annoying, but there seems to be at least some evidence against yaoi. Fairly easy choice to lynch yaoi.

Votes to keep Qikz alive. He's obviously not alone as Yaoi gets lynched that day, but a Wolf would certainly want Qikz to remain alive as he's diverting attention away from the Wolves.

furiosum wrote:Hmm, not sure who to lynch today, since there seems to be little serious dirt on either, so I guess I'll just go with my gut and go for Jay Adama, although I'd be surprised if either were wolves.

This is the third time furiosum claims to have voted for a Wolf to be lynched, despite not having actually voted for any of them to go up for the lynch during the mayoral vote. He seems to be saying the right things but not actually backing it up with any proof: you can say you've voted to lynch so-and-so and nobody will know if you're telling the truth or not, whereas when voting for a mayor everyone can see exactly what you're doing so you can't step out of line too much.

This next post is all kinds of confusing.

furiosum wrote:Pretty sure both nun and corazon de leon have voted for me, which would make it:

Mayor vote wrote:PCCD - Qikz & Dblock (2)
Albear, Errkal

Shadow - Met & Furiosum (4)
Clarkman, DML, PPM, Luke_25

Qikz - PCCD & 1 Other

Albear - Qikz & Dr. Clench

furiosum - Dangerblade & Ironhide (6)
Qikz, PsychicSykes, Met, Edd, Nun, Corazon de Leon

Also, I should make it clear that I haven't merely picked randoms as shadow would like to portray it, but have explained my reasons a few pages back, essentially boiling down to the fact that these two have been pretty active and yet have almost never voted for a mayor, thus keeping themselves off the mayoral vote lists people love lynching people off.

Runs for mayor on a platform of lynching a Villager and a Wolf. At the same time, Luke_25 votes for a mayor who wants to lynch furiosum. If this was a Wolf trying to gain trust, surely you'd think Luke would also vote for furiosum? Voting for him to be lynched seems really odd to me and doesn't add up at all.

But...

furiosum wrote:
Ironhide wrote:
furiosum wrote:So an unnamed source has told you that Parksey is a wolf, implying at least that they either are a seer or are in contact with one. Correct?

Yes, and I'm not saying anything else.

That's all that needs to be said in public, obviously outing either a seer or a seer's trusted voice would be insanity.

On that basis, I would recommend that since there is clearly a certain amount of trust being shown in ironhide by a seer, so long as he isn't making this up, we lynch Dangerblade today, and then tomorrow we lynch Parksey, on the basis that should Parksey flip villager we turn back to ironhide.

Now after Ironhide's desperate defence, wants Dangerblade to be lynched instead of Ironhide. Again, I'm not sure the Wolves would make such an elaborate play - arguing with each other in the thread, putting up a Wolf as mayor, then changing his mind on who he thinks should be lynched - but it's something to think about.

Finally, I think the final vote standings on Friday give us a lot of information.

furiosum wrote:
JChalmers - PCCD & abcd (4)
DML, DayumChris, Luke_25, furiosum

PPM - Luke & abcd (2)
PCCD, Shadow

Shadow - Luke and Chalmers (1)
abcd

No major preference since I'll likely lynch abcd either way, but see no benefit in tying up the vote so I guess I'll vote chalmers.

Out of the remaining 7 players, 1 (Chalmers) runs on a platform of PCCD and abcd and 3 (DML, Chris and furiosum) back him up. 2 players (myself and Shadow) run on platforms with a Wolf in it, and 1 (PCCD) votes for a mayor who has a Wolf up, as does Shadow. I think at this stage in the game, a Wolf wouldn't risk lynching their only other remaining Wolf. As a result, I'm hoping that means we can rule myself, Shadow and PCCD out of the running. This leaves DML, Chris, Chalmers and furiosum as possible Wolf candidates.

I'm fully aware that a lot of what I've posted is conjuncture and and theories: it's not so much a dossier against anyone, I pretty much just went through furiosum's posts and picked out any that stuck out to me. It's pretty badly written but will hopefully give us some indication as to whether we should lynch furiosum tonight, or indeed who we should lynch.

I'm going to be running on a platform of furiosum and Chalmers. Originally, it was going to be furiosum and PCCD, but looking at Friday's vote it really doesn't add up.

PPM - furiosum & Chalmers (0)

Just to reiterate so you haven't got to read through my shoddy detective work if you don't want to...

Final mayor vote standings on Friday:

Mayoral vote wrote:JChalmers - PCCD & abcd (4)
DML, DayumChris, Luke_25, furiosum

PPM - Luke & abcd (2)
PCCD, Shadow

Shadow - Luke and Chalmers (1)
abcd

Out of the remaining 7 players, 1 (Chalmers) runs on a platform of PCCD and abcd and 3 (DML, Chris and furiosum) back him up. 2 players (myself and Shadow) run on platforms with a Wolf in it, and 1 (PCCD) votes for a mayor who has a Wolf up, as does Shadow. I think at this stage in the game, a Wolf wouldn't risk lynching their only other remaining Wolf. As a result, I'm hoping that means we can rule myself, Shadow and PCCD out of the running. This leaves DML, Chris, Chalmers and furiosum as possible Wolf candidates.

I'm going to be running on a platform of furiosum and Chalmers. Originally, it was going to be furiosum and PCCD, but looking at Friday's vote it really doesn't add up.

PPM - furiosum & Chalmers (0)

PostRe: Are You A Werewolf? - 6 vs. 1 by **DML** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 12:51 pm

Theres no Mayor today PPM.

Furiosum - Your theory whilst a very good conspiracy theory in the reality of this game doesn't stack up. Sure, if I had killed a lame wolf it might have worked, but the facts don't lie. I have backed almost every wolf to death since. There are many people in this thread who have barely backed wolves at all. Why if the illusion is already set up should I need to go and nominate more to get killed? It doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Also, its worth saying I spoke in depth with PPM about it, and my story checks out. Whilst Kezzer and Qikz were lying to each other in attempts to keep themselves in the game, I could tell them the facts about each other.

I am the easy target that the remaining bad guy has left, the fallguy they thought the could rely on to frame as the Alpha. Well that tactic has failed three fold as a) people trust me b) I've continued to contribute to wolf killings and c) we now don't even know if there is an Alpha. I am an easy target, I have strawberry floated up so many times in these games before, so I am not suprised that I'm still scrabbling around in the endgame. However, I want to prove those people wrong, and I believe the final wolf is PCCD. He WILL recieve one of my votes.

I still suspect PCCD the most out of all the players left, just been looking through the mayor votes and trying to notice any possible patterns with him in them.

Edd - Somebody Else's Problem and Jay Adama (9)
Satriales, DML, Met, TAP, Kezzer, Pancake, Qikz, Nun, PsychicSykes

PCCD - Qikz & TAP (9)
BID0, Somebody Else's Problem, Shadow, Zellery, Errkal, PPM, Dandy Kong, Jay Adama, Ironhide

In that election Ironhide was too late to vote as he posted it after 2pm so Edd got mayor, thought maybe PCCD may have run up against EDD to try and prevent Jay Adama getting lynched, and it looks like Jay Adama and Ironhide seem to vote last minute to try and swing it.
They may have waited to the last last minute to wait and see if PCCD would get enough votes to possibly overtake Edd before voting.

PCCD did vote to lynch luke only it doesn't seem like he had a choice and any alternative mayors to vote for.

Mayor Vote wrote:
PPM - Luke & abcd (0)

PCCD - Pedz & JChalmers (0)

PCCD could have run with Pedz and Jchalmers on the day he got mayor to try and prevent PPM getting mayor and lynching luke?

Sorry if not making sense I'm bad at putting things into words..

And as for DML being the alpha, don't think he is as likely as PCCD.. Although it seems strange how met got his email address if he is brand new..
Does anyone remember if Songwriter was a wolf in the space ayaw? just curious as i was a wolf who was sacrificed in that game & remember another wolf that had a familiar name, not sure if it was Songwriter though..

strawberry float's sake :fp:

that's what you get for catching up after going to the pub last night.

Who are people thinking of voting for, then? I'm definitely voting for furiosum, but not sure who my second choice is going to be. Chris actually makes a good point about PCCD, and it would make sense for him to vote for a mayor running with Luke as a candidate because the only other option was having himself lynched.

PostRe: Are You A Werewolf? - 6 vs. 1 by **DML** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 1:19 pm

My votes are going to PCCD and furiosum.

Ok.. well i'll vote for PCCD and either a random or myself. In case too many people vote for same person as well as PCCD and theirs a tie or something.

PostRe: Are You A Werewolf? - 6 vs. 1 by **DML** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 1:30 pm

What happens in the case of a tie Drum?

In the event of a tie, you will all be asked to vote against one of the candidates with the most votes.

I have amended the deadline for tonight to 7pm in order to accommodate such a possibility.

I've voted PCCD and furiosum.

I spent ages last night trying to find any voting patterns that are there but doesn't seem to be any that I can see.

Either the last Wolf has been well hidden all game, or one of the seered players has been playing the game and helping to eliminate other wolves to not be suspected at all.

PostRe: Are You A Werewolf? - 6 vs. 1 by **PCCD** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 2:05 pm

Should point out I made strawberry float all effort to actually get elected as mayor when I ran against PPM. I just said "here's my candidates" and went on my way. No one questioned me on them, no one called me out, people voted for me but yet it's me who lands in the brown stuff for running.

If you want to look for people trying to save Luke then I'd suggest looking at the people who voted for me.

Think I'm gonna vote furiosum and myself. I think he's currently the strongest candidate for the last remaining Wolf and don't want to vote for PCCD as my second as he's currently got the most votes by the looks of things.

Looks like another defence of myself is needed then. FOr the first few points I'm just going to repost shadow's old accusation against me and my rebuttal of them, since that covers most of the posts you've brought up from early in the game.

furiosum wrote:
Shadow wrote:Ok. My platform.

Furiosum is a wolf.

Exhibit A:
On Day 2, a number of people swung the vote dramtically from killing Rik, to not killing Rik. We were going to work our way through the list of people who saved Rik, by killing Tomous. There are only 4 people left on that list:

Furiosum
Edd
Met
DML

Edd doesn't seem too wolfy at the moment, and DML gave us songwriter, so unless that was a ballsy play as the alpha, we can assume he's not a wolf.

Exhibit B:
On Day 6, I ran for mayor with Furiosum on my platform (along with DML). Since then, all four people who voted for me (Dandy Kong, Kanbei, Lagamorph, mcjihge2) have been killed by the wolves.

Exhibit C:
Met mentions furiosum has been acting unusually.

Exhibit D:
In the aftermath of the Rik furore, Furiosum backed Pacman in lynching Devlin. Hiding in plain sight.

Exhibit E:
A lot of posts that don't really say a lot, don't really add to he discussion, but make it look like he's here.

Exhibit F:
Keeps steering us away from lynching StayDead. As I keep saying, whether or not Staydead is a wolf, it's a benefit to the wolves that he's in the game. The fact that he said he's in touch with seers and hasn't been killed is testament to this.

Met is probably not a wolf, but of the four candidates left on the list from Day 2, he seems the one most likely to be a wolf. I put him up in case for some reason Furiosum dodges the lynch at least we can still strike a name off the Day 2 list.

Since this thing needs rebutting here goes:

Exhibit A

I agree, I voted to lynch tomous rather than rik. I did this because the evidence against rik was tenuous at best, and as far as I can tell it is largely accepted that the evidence was irrelevant to him being a wolf, he merely picked his role pm up late. In contrast, with tomous I saw several people, who as far as I could tell being new to mafia over here were experienced players, saying that he had slipped up and given himself away by posting about this rule as common knowledge. As it turned out that rule was common knowledge, but I stood no chance of knowing that, and by the time that became consensus in the thread Pacman was already mayor. I would also point out that while it is by no means impossible that there are wolves among the last 4 people on that list, so far only Devlin of the known wolves voted for Pacman, not counting rik himself, and 5 of the people who voted for Pacman are confirmed non-wolves, and obviously I know that I'm a villager as well making 6/10 at least are not wolves, and probably more than that. Hardly a smoking gun we've been ignoring for lynching wolves.

Exhibit B

Not a lot I can say about this other than it would be an incredibly stupid play for me to make if I was a wolf. So far this game that was the only platform I have been a part of, and by this point it was more or less entirely forgotten, so as a result of this the wolves think the best move is to kill off everyone who voted for it to ensure that you remember it? Besides, if they wanted to prevent it being brought up again the best target would likely be to kill you several days later, since by that time people would have forgotten your platform, rather than killing everyone who voted for it to remind you about it.

Exhibit C

I've already rebutted this one some time ago, but basically on SONM I tend to take an active, leading role in games, but on this occasion I haven't because I have large amounts of university work with finals next term, and I'm getting used to how things work over here. If you want a fuller explanation then I can go back and find the post, but that's the gist of it. besides, even met has retracted those allegations, so unless you think he's a wolf as well and it was some bizarre sacrificial play which he then thought better of, then there isn't much in this any more.

Exhibit D

I voted for a mayor who wanted to lynch a wolf on by his account good evidence and we lynched a wolf. So did 14 other people. I admit my mayoral vote was late that day, but I got distracted by work until near the deadline. It happens. If we reckon everyone who votes to kill wolves is a wolf trying to hide then we have some pretty big logical falacies in play.

Exhibit E

I admit, I haven't contributed significantly to theories about who might be wolves because I haven't got the time to dedicate to investigating things. I've occasionally popped in with thoughts, but that's it. I have tried to be active in lynching and voting for mayors, but given my workload that's as much as I'm realistically able to do. Besides, I'm hardly alone in not coming up with theories about who we should lynch, pretty much no-one has, hence we end up lynching inactives or focusing so much on qikz.

Exhibit F

Yes I'm against lynching Qikz. Pretty much no-one thinks he's a wolf, and we're not ahead enough that we can afford to lynch someone no-one believes is a wolf because he's a bit annoying. If you reckon me not wanting to lynch a probable villager makes me a wolf, then again I despair of the logic.

So onto the rest of them.

The post congratulating the kill of Devlin is nothingy, I agree, but pretty much everyone left in the game has made plenty of pointless posts like that, so it doesn't exactly mean anything.

On the Jay Adama lynch thing, I can't remember why I didn't post to vote for a mayoral candidate that morning, but I have tried consistently to vote for mayoral candidates where possible.

If you're seriously trying to find some elaborate decoy move where I put ironhide up for lynch, opposed by a known wolf and with every single one of my backers a villager, and then thought it would be a good idea for ironhide to make the most stupid play imaginable by pretending to have contact with a cop with dirt on someone, then fine, but there are two major problems there. Firstly, I don't know why the wolves did kill parksey immediately after that, since it was only ever going to get their own member in trouble, but it certainly wouldn't be a play I'd make. Secondly, if the plan had been to accuse ironhide and then decoy away from him, then I would have kept quiet about ironhide after that, rather than trying on multiple occasions after Parksey's death to bring attention back onto him.

As for the last point, I voted for Chalmers' platform because it was almost certainly going to win anyway, and since I had most suspicions over abcd at the time, I didn't want to risk the vote getting tied and us losing the right to lynch anyone because of it. I would also question the claim that voting for the platform with luke on it makes people immune from being wolves, since that day was pretty much a case of abcd and one other, so there was little risk of the second person on either platform getting lynched.

So yeah, between that post and the one earlier today I think I've rebutted every accusation that can be levelled against me. I'm a villager, and you'll be wasting a lynch if you do kill me. Again I want to draw attention to DML, since that mayorship stank something rotten as I've already argued.

As for my votes, obviously I'm not going to go for myself, so I'll vote DML and PCCD, since while PCCD certainly isn't my prime candidate, there's a higher chance of him being wolf than there is me, and he seems my best bet of avoiding the lynch.

PostRe: Are You A Werewolf? - 6 vs. 1 by **DML** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 5:38 pm

I'm gonna defend my Mayorship. ianf was no more than a hunch, but Qikz had been not being straight with me on a regular basis via PM. He has since said that he behaved weirdly deliberately to stay in the game, but you cannot blame me for wanting him up under those circumstances, he WAS lying to me about Kezzer and other issues.

Oh plus, y'know...I got a wolf. Thats more than four of the remaining players. I still find it baffling how that can ever be considered 'a waste of a lynch' and I question anyone who does. We'd be so much better off lynching two villagers and using all the amazing leads we got.

How about this? If we hadn't lynched Songwriter, we'd never have got to finding out about satriales, the game would be strawberry floating dead. I played a big part in this game not being over, and stuck my neck on the line on info I dodn't have 100% verified.

Furiosum saying 'oh but I wouldn't know that - I'm new!' - lets not forget that if you are given a wolf role, you PROBABLY have a few few other wolf veterans around the place to steer you in the right direction...

Ever since the satriales incident, the game has changed hands and the wolf knows it. Don't listen to desperation talk, we need to go with common sense. Everything points to one of three or four players being a wolf, anything else is just pure speculation.

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