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speedboatchase wrote:Saw the footage. Didn't realise the Vikings were so multicultural!

speedboatchase wrote:

Jenuall wrote:Whoa, whoa, whoa wait a minute! They put black people in my game about DNA time travelling assassin templars and space aliens who have been influencing our species for generations!?!?

That's just too far fetched man!

Sigh. As I stated before, one part of the original hook was the time-travel angle and ability to revisit history as it was. Naturally, you need to incorporate a whole wrap of sci-fi and fantastical nonsense to justify that. Previously, all of that nonsense was narrative loops through you could experience history, albeit pop history (eg. the take on Da Vinci in AC2).

If you're not interested in how the Vikings looked, acted or arranged society, then they become little more than a character swap rather than a new perspective. For example, I love reading about Aztec culture and I think that would be a fantastic setting for a future AC title, but I'd love to see experts guiding that characterisation, rather than 'well, this is the 2020 societal ideal and we'll swap these character models and give them different outfits'.

White Supremacists Have Weaponized an Imaginary Viking Past. It's Time to Reclaim the Real History

The term “Viking” possibly comes from the Old Norse word víkingr (sea warrior). As Stefan Brink and Neil Price’s The Viking World describes, historically, it referred to seafaring groups who traversed the seas, oceans and rivers to raid, trade and colonize around the 10th and 11th centuries. They established settler colonies across the Mediterranean, Caspian, Black, Arctic and North Atlantic seas and waterways, maintaining a presence in regions ranging from present-day Russia and Europe to the Americas. Crucially, they were not homogeneous seafarers as is often imagined; they were multicultural and multiracial. But until recently, scholarly discussions of the Vikings in relation to race and a Global Middle Ages had been sidelined.

Photek wrote:Historically accurate or not, the peoples ethnicity in the game play didn't even cross my mind.

speedboatchase wrote:Saw the footage. Didn't realise the Vikings were so multicultural!

Tafdolphin wrote:

speedboatchase wrote:

Jenuall wrote:The whole article is worth reading, as it essentially recounts how modern alt-right white supremacists justify actual massacres with exactly the same reasoning speedboatchase is using here. So maybe, before going down a racist dogwhistle path and using actual white supremacist rhetoric, actually strawberry floating read something about the thing you're commenting on?

Moggy wrote:

Photek wrote:Historically accurate or not, the peoples ethnicity in the game play didn't even cross my mind.

I 100% agree. Who gives a gooseberry fool!

Tafdolphin wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Photek wrote:Historically accurate or not, the peoples ethnicity in the game play didn't even cross my mind.

I 100% agree. Who gives a gooseberry fool!

I'll bet the guy was one of the "No woman looks like that!" TLoU2 crowd.

Abby, actually

speedboatchase wrote:

Tafdolphin wrote:

speedboatchase wrote:

Jenuall wrote:The whole article is worth reading, as it essentially recounts how modern alt-right white supremacists justify actual massacres with exactly the same reasoning speedboatchase is using here. So maybe, before going down a racist dogwhistle path and using actual white supremacist rhetoric, actually strawberry floating read something about the thing you're commenting on?

Please calm down, dear. I would never justify a massacre, I don't have racism in my heart, I'm not trying to trick people with secret tactics.

You believe that Ubisoft was intentionally going down a historically accurate path, one divergent from what is normally understood about the Vikings. Fair enough and my contention was that it's a more idealised (socially) depiction. We can disagree on the depiction.

Tafdolphin wrote:

speedboatchase wrote:

Tafdolphin wrote:

speedboatchase wrote:

Jenuall wrote:The whole article is worth reading, as it essentially recounts how modern alt-right white supremacists justify actual massacres with exactly the same reasoning speedboatchase is using here. So maybe, before going down a racist dogwhistle path and using actual white supremacist rhetoric, actually strawberry floating read something about the thing you're commenting on?

Please calm down, dear. I would never justify a massacre, I don't have racism in my heart, I'm not trying to trick people with secret tactics.

You believe that Ubisoft was intentionally going down a historically accurate path, one divergent from what is normally understood about the Vikings. Fair enough and my contention was that it's a more idealised (socially) depiction. We can disagree on the depiction.

This is completely rewriting your argument. You were attempting to state that the game was somehow lesser due to the inclusion of non-white races by claiming it wasn't historically accurate. You were utterly wrong on all counts, and used a rhetoric in common with alt-right shitlords. Your first impression was one that was systemically racist.

Sorry chum.

speedboatchase wrote:
My point was that in general, AC has went from more historically accurate (albeit pop history)

speedboatchase wrote:My point was that in general, AC has went from more historically accurate (albeit pop history) depictions of society in titles to a more inclusive, idealistic versions of respective historical societies that is more in keeping with modern norms for recent titles.

rinks wrote:I haven’t seen the leaked footage. Could someone please reassure me that everyone still speaks English?